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If the killer is not allowed to stay near a hook to secure a kill, then survs should not be allowed to sit on a gen with 3 ppl to secure it gets done.
One is ok, the other is not.
Just another entitled surv that probably hasnt ever Played killer and got 4 Minute genrushed.
If you facecamp from first hook and you manage to get more than 1 kill, the survs are just plain garbage.
Learn to loop, so you dont get camped 🙃
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@MrPeanutbutter said:
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https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/349452/this-epidemic-of-campers-needs-to-stop
Try playing killer against halfway competent survivors and you’ll quickly understand why camping and tunneling are often required to secure kills.
Against coordinated teams, it is extremely difficult if not impossible to secure kills without some amount of camping and tunneling. If survivors continue to demand having the heavy advantage of coordination via comms, then killers have no choice but to use tactics that survivors are going to find “unfun”.
Stop complaining and try to understand the perspective of the other role. I have been playing a lot more survivor than killer lately and I can completely understand why killers camp and tunnel. Sometimes they have to. If it keeps happening to you, maybe that’s a problem with the way you are playing. Try to not get caught first every match.
I dont get that either.
Ppl complain about getting tunneled out first in every game. Which basically means, theyre losing 3 chases in a row despite having 10 sec bt plus speedboost after every unhook...
you MUST be really bad at looping if you go down so quick...
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@Veinslay said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3217296#Comment_3217296
Grim Embrace is weak as hell, its only 40 seconds.
Calling the basekit buff mini pop is an overstatement lol, its only 2.5% regression
Grim Embrace is just the easiest Example. Maybe Make it variable. If you play A scourgehook build, you get one normal hook turned into scourge hook for every unique surv hooked.
if you play Hex totems, you get the power of reapplying one totem after it got cleansed.
or make one of the gens get cancelled out completely, make permanent thantophobia activate after 4 unique hooks, etc.
There are plenty of options...
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@Tizzle said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3217197#Comment_3217197
Yep, let's give Killer more buffs to make Tunneling and Camping EVEN EASIER.
Great solution.
How on Earth would Grim Embrace basekit Make tunneling easier? I have to hook all 4 Survs ONCE to get all gens blocked.
If I do this, I went out of my way to catch everyone of you once.
And ######### do you mean with more buffs? Survs got a cranked up Version of an essential Perk (BT) into their Basekit, while the perk itself even enchances (DOUBLES!) the effect in EVERY Situation. What did Killers get in this Patch? A crippled basekit version of Pop, while the Perk, even combined with the basekit version is still WORSE than the OG Pop... not to mention that hex ruin is useless now, corrupt got destroyed aswell, overcharge got tuned down due to heavy outcry of survs...
But yeah, I bet you think OG Dead Hard was balanced and healthy for the game...
Ppl like you are the real problem. Playing Powerrole, not understanding the basics of balancing but crying the loudest for nerfs...
Pathetic!
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@sulaiman said:
Your sport-comparison is bad, but let me take it.
Lets say you play soccer, and you just ignore the ball that is played to you, get up to the goalkeeper and hit him in the face 4 times, until he lies on the ground, then you get the ball and kick it into the goal.
Like tunneling, it would be a highly effective way to score a goal. But the other team and the goalkeeper might come up with the point of view that thats not how the game is supposed to play, and that its rather unfair.
Yes, you could say soccer has rules against this kind of action, but dbd has no rules at all, and if you apply that to soccer, it might be a different game.
You miss the whole point of the Argument:
The goal in soccer is, to score more goals than the other team. The goal in dbd is for the survs to escape and for the killer to kill the survs. There are multiple ways to achieve those goals, f.e. if survs dont get hooked, there is no need to unhook, if the killer doesnt play hex totems, theres not need to cleanse them. But if certain circumstances apply, there is the need to cleanse totems or unhook your mates. Same goes for soccer: The goal is to score goals. In some games you have to play more passes to your mates, in some games you have to change formation, in some games you have to adapt. All these things, in dbd or soccer, are not explicit the goal of the game but they contribute to the goal. And they are different in every game.
If we transfer this to killer gameplay, I am not "ignoring the ball" i am simply focusing on my target. Its like Lionel messi dribbling around 4 defenders, scoring a goal while he is not passing to his teammates. Is it fun for the opponent? no! Is it fun for his Mates? I dont think so. Is the Job getting done? Of course!
Telling Killers to not tunnel or not camp when they feel the need to is like telling Paris St. Germain not to play with Messi, Mbappe and Neymar at the same time because it is unfair for every other team. Making it harder to tunnel and camp is like forcing PSG to always Play with 9 Players against 11 or playing without goalkeeper. Will they still be putting up their best players? Of course! Bcs it is simply the best way to win their game!
Rules in DbD exist. I am sure you are aware of the cheater Problem. Punching someone in the face to win is cheating. By definition! If you do something, the other team cannot play against, to win, thats cheating. Tunneling and Camping are outplayable. So they cannot be "unfair" by any means. You can feel mistreated, thats your PoV. But you cannot make rules out of "feelings". According to this, genrushing, bodyblocking, Hit Tanking, etc. should all be considered "unfair" or "toxic".
If you strip down the possibilities of one side of an asymmetrical game that is already heavily in disadvantage over the other side, thats not "creating rules" its unbalancing the game!
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@Audiophile said:
I don’t mind the poor English. The poor logic on the other hand… Rather than waste my time re-explaining all the points you seem to have missed on these forums by myself and others… I’ll just say this: No.
PPL like you are the best. Always having an opinion but never explaining, thinking they are right.
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Why are surv mains always there to complain and cry for killer nerfs?
Youre most likely getting UB basekit, you got BT basekit, you got a Speedboost to BT basekit, you got an anti camping perk, you got anti tunnel perks...
######### do you want? An insta win button if the killer doesnt play to your rules?
Maybe, just maybe, think logical about the Issue of Camping and tunneling.
Why do Killers camp and Tunnel? Bcs its the most effective strategy in many situations.
So what exactly do you think will happen, if you make tunneling and camping harder? right, nothing!
It will STILL be the most valuable tactic for killers.
Instead of making one tactic harder and harder, maybe, just MAYBE, make not tunneling and not camping more valuable for the killer?
What exactly is the benefit of the killer for not tunneling besides probably losing the game due to insane gen times and getting t-bagged at the exit gate? Right there is not benefit...
Give killers something like grim embrace basekit...
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@Krazzik said:
People actually played on Stadia?
TBF with the Pro Subscription it saved me Couple of Lonely hotel nights during my work travels.
Even in Germany with mostly Wood Internet.
you could play fine via mobile Connection.
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@MrT1412 said:
You should keep progress, but you may have to buy the dlcs again.
I wouldnt even be mad about this besides the Stranger Things DLC...
I would have to buy a key From a keyseller...