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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2733445#Comment_2733445
So removing the masks was a really dumb idea after all.
If you have no examples you can point to of your stated scenarios actually happening, I have no reason to consider them as valid. Thanks. :)
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2733402#Comment_2733402
The bubba example is enough. Bubba is white, he was used by racists/white supremist, which forced the devs to take away everyones earned cosmetics.
I asked you to point to examples of this actually happening. :P
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2733380#Comment_2733380
It's flawed to have white killers in the game too. Cause now you could have white supremist killer players in the game having a blast killing PoC. Unless the white killers are removed, hateful play will just continue just like with the masks.
Can you point to any examples of this happening in-game? ;P
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2733365#Comment_2733365
Ok shut the game down, its beyond help, with how much of a racist bigoted cesspool it has apparently become just now. Abandon ship!
This path just leads to this nonsense:
A killer tunneled me, they must know my Race behind the screen, ban the racist!
Killer slugged me and wont pick me up, must be a racist as they clearly cannot bare the thought of touching my kind with their bare hands.
Blight wont stop vomiting on me, must be because they know might skin color and it makes them sick to even be in a game with me!
Hey, your suggestion was obviously flawed. :P
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@[Deleted User] said:
They should have removed Teabagging and Clicking first.
This is the most redundant, PATHETIC, attempt of making it look like they care about hateful behavior or racism.
If they truly care, remove endgame chat, the most toxic part of DBD.
Again remove Teabagging and Flashlight clicking.
If the masks were the TRUE issue, lock cosmetic changes once your in a lobby. (if that wasn't the case already.)
Oh no, I just made a reasonable change instead of outright removal of earned content, don't ban me! PLEASE!.
"If the masks were the TRUE issue, lock cosmetic changes once your in a lobby. (if that wasn't the case already.)"
This change doesn't do anything if people load in as Claudette or Adam.
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@Munqaxus said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731093#Comment_2731093
What I'm saying is that if 1 mask is racist, then all masks are racist. You can't say "this skin colors" mask is racist and not say "other skin color masks" aren't racist. You are basically saying that it's ok discriminate against the races you aren't removing. Especially the female Leatherface, you can't tell me that isn't disrespectful to the LGBT community if the "smart face" is disrespectful to it's community.
You can't play "thought police", Behavior.
You seem to be ignoring some critical context in how the masks were used, which is what is dictating BHVR's response.
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2732755#Comment_2732755
Because it is a From Software-Game. I will also play a lot of Elden Ring when it is released. Games from From Software are usually challenging and interesting. They are not as hard as people sometimes claim they are, but challenging enough to spend hundreds of hours playing them.
Games like Dark Souls also are games which are worth to replay, since you can try out different builds and the challenge is still there, even if you have completed the game multiple times.
Players expecting that Elden Ring will be a good game because so far, From Software did not really disappoint since Demons Souls.
Fair enough. I just mostly wondering if it was something specific about that game that was doing this or if people were moving to that game because they were generally hyped for it.
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I would consider "hit someone with Franklin's and then insta-DC to delete their item" toxic. But just using it overall? No.
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@ScottJund said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/303316/devs-you-broke-otzs-heart
for the record Otz tru3 and I are absolutely dropping DBD for Elden Ring. I doubt permanently though.
Why Elden Ring, out of curiosity? I admittedly know little about the game, so it seems curious that multiple streamers are dropping (temporary or otherwise) DbD for the same game from a different genre altogether.
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-Searching any jigsaw box will remove a Survivor's Reverse Bear Trap
Oops, wrong Killer. :P
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@MyNamePete said:
how on earth do you think pinkie finger is fair, this nerf completely makes it fair
Paired with the addon to increase your bottles by 2, its now like running pinkie finger alone which is great, no addon should basically give an m1 killer the power to instadown every time like pinkie finger (because its conditions to activate the exposed status effect is so insanely easy to accomplish)
I look at Bubbasaw and find Pinkie Finger to be comparable at best.
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731549#Comment_2731549
An answer is an acceptable response to a question that the person is most likely expecting or wishes to hear... a non-answer is an unacceptable answer, i.e an answer that the person will not accept. I answered your question.
Well, if your response is not an acceptable response to the question that I am most likely expecting or wishing to hear, then by your definition, your response was not an answer. ;)
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731539#Comment_2731539
Which in turn is still an answer, even if it's unacceptable to you. I thought we went through that part already
A non-answer is fundamentally incapable of being an answer. Otherwise, it wouldn't be called a non-answer; it'd just be called an answer. :P
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731524#Comment_2731524
So now we're back to my earlier statement, then. You could not recognize my answer. What a roundabout way of getting to that result, which could have been resolved long ago now
I already said that the response in question is a non-answer, did I not?
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731502#Comment_2731502
Then we're back where we started. If you can recognize an answer without accepting it, why would we still be here
Because I don't recognize what you said in response to my question as an answer to my question. That does not mean I am incapable of recognizing any answer that I do not accept as an answer nonetheless. :P
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731479#Comment_2731479
I don't think I mentioned anything about a false answer, but it was a nice try
The post you are responding to also does not mention anything about a false answer.
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731472#Comment_2731472
Ok so you do recognize my answer then.
I only said that the notion that I cannot recognize an answer because I cannot accept it is false. :P
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731467#Comment_2731467
You fail to recognize an answer because you could not accept it.
That is incorrect. Unless, of course, you are willing to point out how. ;)
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731460#Comment_2731460
Ah so we reach the root of the problem.
And what, may I ask, is the root of the problem?
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731450#Comment_2731450
So then you recognize that I answered your question with a response of my own. Good.
Where in the above post did I suggest that? :P
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731427#Comment_2731427
If only you knew what a non-answer was...
A non-answer is a response that does not answer the question. For example: "What is two plus two?" "Don't you have better things to do?"
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731401#Comment_2731401
It's not the answer you expected, but it is still an answer
A refusal to answer my question is fundamentally a non-answer. It is a response from you, but it is a non-answer. :P
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731356#Comment_2731356
You are correct that I'm not obligated to answer questions, but I ultimately did respond to you with my answer to your question. My answer to you was that I'm not in any way, shape or form interested in talking semantics where it is least relevant in this conversation. A conversation that you are not entitled to shape to your own benefit. Yet you persist and remain duly self-appointed to your own obligations here...
That's not an answer to my question; if anything, that is an explicit declaration that you refuse to answer my question.
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731344#Comment_2731344
The great part of all this is that I already did
I mean, that's incorrect, but similar as to how you're not obligated to answer my question, you're also allowed to state an incorrect claim.
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731330#Comment_2731330
Oh believe me, I know that's why
Okay, so we're on the same page on that fact. Great. That doesn't change the fact that you have yet to answer my question, though. :P
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731313#Comment_2731313
One thing I can say is that I'm glad people can't just cut and paste sentences out of context for no other purpose than to feel as if they really accomplished something. You could clearly see my response there, and yet you still managed to avoid the relevant parts...
Yes, because those parts were not the reason I responded.
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731299#Comment_2731299
I did answer the question, however. I am not entitled to answer your question in a specific manner that you deem appropriate
You are not entitled to answer my question? I mean...okay. I'm not sure how that constitutes entitlement, but okay.
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We already know that camping/tunneling is not a reportable offense. In fact, the devs have made that abundantly clear.
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731288#Comment_2731288
I realize you feel some sort of entitlement to a specific answer, but that is self-inflicted and a severe lapse of judgement. I told you this already
I mean, I already told you that you are not obligated to answer the question, so I'm not sure how that could equate to entitlement.
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731281#Comment_2731281
I don't see any discussion here... I think you asked a question that I already answered
I'm afraid you did not answer it for the reasons I already outlined. Of course, you are welcome to deliver an answer to the question to allow the discussion to continue.
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731265#Comment_2731265
You're not and I'm afraid you won't get any farther with this conversation. I'll gladly keep you company if that's what it means for you to eventually leave this thread.
Sure I am. I am discussing the merits of a scenario you yourself posed.
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731162#Comment_2731162
I dont think removing a mask will eradicate racism. Probably wont even touch it. If there really are racist bigots who serve no purpose other than to harass streamers for the color of their skin, deleting in game content will not fix that. We're talking scum of the Earth type of people.
By doing so, and taking the easy way out here, they've essentially told anyone with a racial motif that hey -- if you're racist in our video game, we'll delete content we've created just to stop you. The same goes for anyone who advocates removing content for that reason.
The original purpose of that content was to support the lore of the killer and give people cosmetics to play with... the fact that I have to spell that out for anyone is depressing.
What's even more depressing though is that this game is just another breeding ground for toxic players, where they are even willfully accepted. Some known forum users openly talking about being toxic players to other people. That is our community. Not the racists.
This is the subject we're supposed to be talking about
I'm talking about a specific on-topic comment you made in this thread. So I'm on-topic.
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731136#Comment_2731136
And that is unfortunate... perhaps now we can talk about the subject at hand
Indeed. So, going back on topic:
Did the removal of people of color from this game already happen: yes or no?
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731128#Comment_2731128
Theres no single answer for any question... your expectations do not have to be met by anyone
I never said that my expectations had to be met. But the expectations I am setting for myself are that the question is answered, which is something that has not happened.
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731120#Comment_2731120
You dictated to me what answers you were expecting.
Yes, I am expecting the only answers that fundamentally answer the question. You are not obligated to provide that answer if you do not wish to, of course. But that doesn't mean that any other response you give actually answers the question.
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731108#Comment_2731108
You simply cannot dictate the answers. You gave a question, and I answered it to the best of my ability. You simply will not win on semantics alone
I don't have to dictate any answers. A factual yes/no question by default can only be answered with yes or no, assuming that the answer is indeed known.
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731045#Comment_2731045
It did answer your question... it may not be the answer you want, but it is an answer to your question
It does not actually answer my question. It is a quote to my post, but it is not an answer to my question. An answer to my question is either "Yes" or "No."
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@Munqaxus said:
Shouldn't all Leatherface masks be removed. If one Leatherface mask is considered racist because it is a skin color, then all Leatherface masks should be considered racist.
Why wouldn't Leatherface's default "white-skin" face be removed. It can be used in the exact same way except with white characters.
Why shouldn't female Leatherface's costume be remove since it could be used against anyone running the LGBT rainbow.
You can't do one mask and not include all masks.
Take it up with the IP holder if you want Leatherface's default cosmetic to be removed. :P
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@The_BiggCheeze said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731070#Comment_2731070
Yet it removes a fun little nod to that lore. Add on the fact they’re removing the faces that came from poc characters and leaving him with the second whitest mask you can get on him. If you don’t see the problem, then YOU have a problem.
They are removing equal numbers of white and nonwhite faces, are they not?
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@The_BiggCheeze said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731061#Comment_2731061
If you’re so fixated on that one tiny detail I spoke of, I’ll educate you.
HE CUTS YOUR FACE OFF AND WEARS IT!!!
So? The removal of those cosmetics does not contradict that fact.
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@The_BiggCheeze said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731034#Comment_2731034
Are you serious? THATS the thing you focused on? God this community really has gone down the ######### toilet if people can’t use critical thinking.
It's not wrong, though. The cosmetics in question are not a part of his lore at all.
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731025#Comment_2731025
That's when I told you that you weren't going to win a war of words...
Does that ring a bell?
Yes, which does not answer my question. So which one does?
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@The_BiggCheeze said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730959#Comment_2730959
Think of it this way, should all the black characters be removed because an Elodie was being racist, or a Tapp? This does not solve anything. These masks are a part of leather faces lore, he literally takes your ######### face and wears it. Now because of a few bad apples, they’re removing the poc masks and leaving the whitest mask he has. So to fight the racists they literally give them what they want which is the EXCLUSION of poc. In turn, the removal of the masks seems pretty damn racist.
Uh, I believe you'll find that those masks are extremely non-canon to Leatherface's lore.
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731015#Comment_2731015
We just had this conversation so I'm going to have good faith in you to remember what I've said so far
I don't know which post is meant to be the answer because from my point of view, none of them directly answer my question. Hence why I am asking you to quote it.
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731010#Comment_2731010
I did but you seem to be avoiding my answer.
Quote the answer to the question I posted.
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731006#Comment_2731006
You're not going to win a war of words my friend... better go somewhere else for that
You did not answer my question. :P
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730993#Comment_2730993
Yes the one we are currently talking about... the removal of in game content in favor of exonerating racism from the game. I can only assume we've done that or we wouldn't be talking about it.
You were talking about the removal of people of color from the game. That is what I am intentionally zeroing in on. Did that or did that not happen?
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730984#Comment_2730984
We removed in game content in favor of curbing racism?
Did we just forget that or
You said that the scenario you described actually happened. Are we removing people of color from this game now?
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@throwaway79465468797 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730968#Comment_2730968
The one I described that is an exact scenario as the one we are currently discussing...? The one that actually happened?
Let me ask you something... do you think removing a mask will prevent racism?
We are removing people of color from this game? That actually happened?
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You'll have to get the IP holders to agree to it. :P