I_Tunnel

@Snowbawlzzz said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3651794#Comment_3651794
this isn't a job and no one has an obligation to play, you can just as easily do the same thing and fast forward to the next match

You have an obligation to not ruin the game for other players, be it via cheats, exploits, treating other players badly, or ragequitting.

There's a reason most EULAs and ToS's have sections that say you can be banned for being toxic. And if you can't understand how ruining the match for others is bad, then you need to learn empathy.

in Why Isnt Killing Yourself on First Hook a Bannable/Reportable Offense? Comment by I_Tunnel February 18, 2024

@Snowbawlzzz said:
In what universe should you be able to report and punish someone for leaving a video game that they paid for to play at their leisure?

If they can't stay for an entire match; They should not queue up.

'I bought the game' does not give someone carte blanche to ruin for it others by quitting mid-match. And I feel bad for anyone who can't figure this out, or know what good sportsmanship is.

in Why Isnt Killing Yourself on First Hook a Bannable/Reportable Offense? Comment by I_Tunnel February 18, 2024

Bumping this, as it's still the best way to stop hook-ragequitting.

Ragequitting, in all forms, ruins matches and should be removed or punished, to promote healthy gameplay.

in Remove Killing Self On Hook Comment by I_Tunnel February 17, 2024

@Steakdabait said:
A dev outright stated that if someone has no intention of actually playing the match there's no point keeping them in it.

And if that person has no intention of playing the match; They should not queue up. They should do everyone else a favor.

Ragequitting, be it via DC or on the hook, ruins the game for everyone else. And it should be removed and/or punished in all forms, to promote healthy gameplay.

I came up with a fix that makes trying to escape the hook the same risk/reward playstyle, does not need to change a single escape perk, and also remove ragequitter's ability to Hook-ragequit.

https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/405044/remove-killing-self-on-hook

in Why Isnt Killing Yourself on First Hook a Bannable/Reportable Offense? Comment by I_Tunnel February 17, 2024

A fix for self-killing on hook:

https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/405044/remove-killing-self-on-hook

in Why Isnt Killing Yourself on First Hook a Bannable/Reportable Offense? Comment by I_Tunnel February 17, 2024

@mizark3 said:
If we were to take an individual change I would have an option to make Plague yell "yay" and shoot rainbows. Survivors would uncontrollably shout "yippee" instead of the vomit for Plague and Nemesis animations.
A more general change would be allowing Killer bans. This would help more people, although people 'forced' to ban Plague/Doc/Clown would unfortunately have fewer bans. (Personally I would have 1 ban per 5 Killers released round down. Also to keep things fair, Killers could ban realms or maps at the same rate. We are forced to play Ranked only, so it would be nice to have basic Ranked QoL features like this.)

If Survivors can ban Killers, than Killers can ban Survivor perks. Letting Killers ban maps is not the equivalent.

Since a Killer's power is so important; For every Killer ban Survivors get, Killers get 2 perk bans. And that's on the assumption that a Killer ban is voted on by the entire group, instead of being on a per-Survivor basis (IE: One full lobby of Survivors gets ONE Killer ban, not four.)

If Survivors instead each get a Killer ban, making 4 Killers banned per lobby, then Killers get 6 perk bans per lobby. Because, if Killers are losing out on the 4 strongest Killers (Because this mechanic WILL be abused to block the top Killers), then Survivors are losing out on their best perks.

It's only fair.

in The Plauge and Emetophobia Comment by I_Tunnel February 17, 2024

@Atom7k said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3650483#Comment_3650483
It is really stunning how you try to tip toe dance around the topic because you basically have no arguments. You're pretty petulant about this.
You completly ignored all of my points and just try to manifest your pov by shifting focus from your pointless discussion to something all players agree on. It's called manipulation and it's a pretty pathetic attempt when you cannot defend your point with arguments.
You try to make it look like it's the most normal thing in the world but it hasn't been for years. The tunneling issue became just much worse recently. I don't know for how long you have been playing dbd but your "arguments" kind of make it questionable about how experienced you are with how dbd aged.
It's not a "strategy" which gets rarely picked by experienced people to make an unique move to catch the survivor off guard or unexpected. It's not hard to do or anything unique. It is a cheap way to secure a game because aside from competitive teams there is nothing the common survivors can do to save the match if someone tunnels from the start.
I already told you that the majority of survivors do not play toxic. There are bully squads and toxic players. Yes thats true. However their behaviour is not approved as well.
Everyone who plays this game is aware of the chance of loosing it. Aside from people who tunnel from the start of the game of course.

to something all players agree on

If, by 'all players', you mean the minority of Survivors angry that they are losing to a valid tactic. But Survivors love to claim they speak for everyone. It's called 'Entitlement'.

You try to make it look like it's the most normal thing in the world but it hasn't been for years. The tunneling issue became just much worse recently. I don't know for how long you have been playing dbd but your "arguments" kind of make it questionable about how experienced you are with how dbd aged.

Tunneling is only an 'issue' in the minds of Survivors angry they lost.

It's not a "strategy" which gets rarely picked by experienced people to make an unique move to catch the survivor off guard or unexpected. It's not hard to do or anything unique.

It's still a strategy. No different from Survivors going to a 50% complete gen.

I mean, what's Smarter?

A Killer attacks an injured, once-hooked Survivor. They require ONE attack to down, and being on the 2nd hook means they require immediate saving, thus tying up another Survivor.
A Killer chases a healthy, no-hook Survivor. The chase lasts twice as long because they require 2 hooks, and they are not in immediate danger of dying on the hook, since they are in stage 1.

Hint: If you say 'The second one'; You're either lying, or genuinely believe Killers should play badly for Survivor benefit.

It is a cheap way to secure a game because aside from competitive teams there is nothing the common survivors can do to save the match if someone tunnels from the start.

And there's the entitled Survivor mindset of deciding what's fair or not for the Killer. You don't get to decide it's 'cheap'. That's like those people in Overwatch who claim Bastion or Widowmaker are 'cheap'; They're salty they lost.

I already told you that the majority of survivors do not play toxic. There are bully squads and toxic players. Yes thats true. However their behaviour is not approved as well.

And yet I never see someone claim genrushing is 'cheap'. Ever.
Or that twerking out the exit gates is 'toxic'.
Or that 4 escapes is 'sweating' or tryhard'.
Or that using 12 META perks is 'boring' and 'should change because Killers are unhappy'.
I never see Killers say 'What about our fun?'

Usually Killers are told to 'get thicker skin' or 'cope' or 'learn 2 play'. Almost like there's a massive double standard in which Survivors can play to win, but Killers are shamed for doing the same. 🤔

Everyone who plays this game is aware of the chance of loosing it. Aside from people who tunnel from the start of the game of course.

Ah, and there's the shade thrown at Killers who play in a non-SurvivorApproved(tm) way.

There's a reason 'The Survivor Rulebook For Killers' became a meme. It's because Survivors actually think they dictate the rules.

in why is every Hillbilly playing bad? Comment by I_Tunnel February 16, 2024

@Frizouw said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3650466#Comment_3650466
For your point #1, #3, the point of a SWF is to do that at start, share information, communicate, make it easier, so you'd need to prevent people from playing together at start with immunity or not. It would not change much. XD It's kinda invalid for me.
Why is #4 a problem? if they use it and you break it, they don't have it anymore, it's a price to pay for later.
I will add the others tho.
No, I will not stop suggesting solutions because alot of people are leaving the game for people that just want to break others fun by tunneling at 5 gens.
Your username "I_Tunnel" doesn't inspire me that you play something else than killer.

So? You don't give Survivors a way to share info with complete immunity.

It's clear by your idea, and your replies, that all you want is an OP mechanic that Survivors can abuse whenever they want.

@Frizouw said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3650508#Comment_3650508
Man do you want someone to play for you at that point with all the gen regression and blocking perks that exist lmao?

And yet you're the one asking for literal Survivor immunity for a minute and a half.

in Tunneling Fix Suggestion Comment by I_Tunnel February 16, 2024

@Atom7k said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3649951#Comment_3649951
I really had to laugh about this one. Is Otz DBD Jesus now? Is what he says the holy rule? Of course I would tell him the same. Why should I hesitate? He may have a lot's of hours in dbd and a good understanding of the game mechanics but that doesn't mean much. He's still pretty bad in solo-q and even hens said he can't play around Otz because his movement is weird. He may be good with some killers but again, being good at a game doesn't grant you the status of the Dungeon Master or something. There are a lots of players in dbd with tens of thousands of hours.
I stand by what I said. It is absolutely possible to win matches without tunneling at 5 gens unprovoked. Because that is what the initial conversation was about. It is about making the right decisions. There are plenty of people on twitch and youtube who can do so. So yes when tunneling is your only resort to win a match you lack skill and/or messed up big in the match. Otz is only human so it's natural for him to make bad decisions in matches too.
Tunneling however is not going to fix that. Further you are not very constructive or contributing much to the discussion at this point. I could accuse you of wanting easy kills because you don't have enough skill as killer but that wouldn't lead us anywhere in a discussion would it?
I play both sides equally and besides competitive dbd (which is completly different and has nothing to do with our topic here) tunneling from the start is and will always be embarassing.
The only exception I'd make is when you run into the survivor you hooked last by coincidence. It's totally fine to hook that survivor again because obviously he wasn't paying attention enough and it is not your job to excuse mistakes done by survivors.
It's a game after all. You have to accept the fact that you will not win every match. If you can't bare the thought of loosing a match and therefor tunnel from the start to make it "easy" for you then you maybe should leave the game for a while to gain some mental distance from it.

And survivors need to accept that they won't escape every match. Yet here we are; Shaming Killers who have the audacity to win in a non-SurvivorApproved(tm) way, and telling them to 'stop being toxic'.

It's almost like Survivors live on 'rules for thee, but not for me'.

in why is every Hillbilly playing bad? Comment by I_Tunnel February 16, 2024

No, because that's a minute and a half where the unhooked Survivor can just:

Follow the Killer around & report on his actions to their SWF friends
Break dull totems (They are not hex totems, after all)
Hunt for hex totems to inform their SWF friends
Get to a powerful pallet/loop to be healed
Get a free health state
Sabo hooks
Open chests
Heal a different Survivor
Close Trapper traps
Disable Skull Merchant drones
Place flame turrets for Xenomorph
EMP Singularity cameras
Break Ghostface's stealth
Break Demogorgon tunnels
Find Pinhead's Lament Configuration

People need to stop suggesting blatantly OP/abusable mechanics to 'fix' a problem that does not exist. Tunneling is just the Killer playing efficiently. Returning to a half-dead Survivor is no different from Survivors going back to half-completed generators.

The only difference being that Survivors like the one that helps t hem win, and expect changes to the one that makes them lose.

in Tunneling Fix Suggestion Comment by I_Tunnel February 16, 2024

Hatch exists to prevent the final Survivor from just hiding & wasting the Killer's time. It's basic risk vs reward gameplay:

Risk: If the Survivor is moving around & hatch hunting; His chances of being seen go up.
Reward: He has a chance of getting out of a match, even if he was losing.

Hatch has to, and should, stay.

in Remove the Hatch Comment by I_Tunnel February 16, 2024

@MaTtRoSiTy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3649951#Comment_3649951
You don't see the irony in your response?
"Because you're lazy & want easy wins"
This is pretty much entirely why people tunnel in public matches and content creators like Otz himself have shown that you can win matches without tunnelling but tunnelling makes this easy. I never tunnel, never camp and I will win the vast majority of my killer games and most killers will too, unless they are just new or outright bad.
I don't tunnel or camp because I feel it makes the game unfun for others and while you are within your rights to disregard the feelings of others, I cant help having empathy as I know how it feels to be camped and tunnelled out of games so you don't really even get a match. It also contributes to the overall toxicity of the game which is not healthy and creates a circle of misery

Otz has also admitted to losing BECAUSE he avoided tunneling, to his own detriment.

But your post whos what Survivors always, and I mean ALWAYS do; Claim Killers are mean for not considering their opponent's feelings over trying to win. Seriously; It's always the fallback when all else fails. Just claim Killers are 'sweaty' or 'toxic' or, as you hinted at, 'lack empathy'.

I've never played another PvP game where one side tells the other 'Stop trying so hard, it makes me sad'. But that's basically the Survivor war cry at this point.

I've never seen CT's in Counter-Strike say 'Stop planting the bomb so fast. We T's barely get to play!'
I've never seen one side tell the other 'Stop moving the payload so fast!' in TF2 or Overwatch.
I've never seen someone say 'Stop sniping! I don't get to play when you headshot me!' in ANY FPS.

But in DBD; Killers are expected to think about Survivor fee-fees and stop trying to win. Or they 'lack empathy' and are 'toxic' and 'sweaty' and 'tryhard'.

Survivors mald 'Play off-meta because we're bored!', as if Killers are required to make the game fun for their opponents.

It's nothing but an attempt to shame Killers into losing so Survivors can rofl stop with 12 META perks, 2 basekit perks, SWF and Discord. But, of course, going in gung-ho is fine for Survivors.

Because double-standards. 🤮

in why is every Hillbilly playing bad? Comment by I_Tunnel February 15, 2024

@Frizouw said:
What do you guys think about that solution against tunneling: the moment a survivor is unhook, he is immune to be down until:
He touch a gen.
Start healing itself (not being heal by another survivor, I think it's already punishing to have two persons on healing and they could troll each others).
Is fully healed
Another survivor got hook?
During the whole immunity, the survivor cannot have collision against the killer, cannot drop palettes and cannot use flashlights...

No, because then he can follow the Killer around and report on his actions with discord, if he's in a group. And the Killer would not be able to prevent it at all.

Plus, this allows him to get a free health state as long as he does not heal himself & only has another Survivor heal him.

Survivors already have 2 free basekit perks due to their whining; They don't deserve functional immunity & free healing on top of that.

in Is tunneling killing the game? Comment by I_Tunnel February 15, 2024

@TieBreaker said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/405318/why-is-every-hillbilly-playing-like-a-scumbag
Yeah, hard tunneling is incredibly demoralising for the survivor team. I understand the feeling of just being done at that point and wanting to move on. Although it's not a really Billy thing. Just sweaty killers trying out a new toy.

And here we see more Killer shaming.

If they win; They're 'sweaty' for not considering their opponents fun over trying to win! How dare Killers try to win! Don't they know Survivors fun is the most important thing in a Killer's life?!

Oh, and it never works in reverse; There's never such a thing as 'Sweaty' Survivors.

Double standard 🤮

in why is every Hillbilly playing bad? Comment by I_Tunnel February 15, 2024

@alaenyia said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/405276/killer-is-in-the-worst-state-it-has-ever-been
Is this a joke? I really can't tell. The devs of this game have spent years making this game as killer-centric as possible. To the point I am starting to think it is a social experiment to see how much a survivor will take before they leave. Killer's kill ratios have never been higher. All the maps have been reduced to the size of a postage stamp, most pallets are unsafe, most vaults have an open gaping door right next to them so the killer might have to wait for you to land to hit you on the other side, every survivor benefit has been nerfed (Toolboxes, med kits, keys, perks, etc.), gen completion times are longer, and crossplay can not be turned off so you are forced to play with people you can not even communicate with.

The devs of this game have spent years making this game as killer-centric as possible. To the point I am starting to think it is a social experiment to see how much a survivor will take before they leave.

Hmm..

Basekit BT if a Killer 'tunnels'. Which Survivors abuse to bodyblock, then complain when they get downed. (Free perk #1)
Basekit Deliverance if a Killer 'camps'. (Free perk #2)
Every Killer that does decently well being nerfed into oblivion, without fail.
When the devs changed how Wriggling works; They threw in a bonus for Survivors to make Wriggling more effective. Yes; A QoL update came with a Survivor buff added in, because Survivors must be catered too in every update.
Limiting '3 gen' ability by utterly gutting kicking. You know; 3 Genning; That thing Survivors inflict on themselves with poor planning, but the devs have punished Killers for!

But oh no! The devs removed single-frame gen-tapping! THE GAME IS SOOOO KILLER-SIDED!

in Killer is in the worst state it has ever been Comment by I_Tunnel February 15, 2024

@H2H said:
Killers playing efficiently and doing their objectives is not playing scummy or being a scumbag or playing unfairly. Survivors really need to get over this expectation that killers must deliberately play badly for survivors’ benefit.

It's because this game caters to Survivors so hard. For years now, they think they can dictate how Killers play.

They use insulting labels like 'scummy' and 'sweaty', 'toxic' and 'tryhard', and label efficient tactics with negative names like 'tunneling', 'camping', 'proxy camping' (Seriously; When they could not whine someone was 'camping', they made up a new term), and 'slugging'.

It also shifts blame away from them playing like trash onto the Killer for 'using scummy tactics'.

It's all done in an attempt to control the Killer role and enforce more changes on the game. Because "Tunneling/Camping/Slugging/etc. is a problem" is much more convincing than "Change the game because I lost."

in why is every Hillbilly playing bad? Comment by I_Tunnel February 14, 2024

@OrangeBear said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3649580#Comment_3649580
I mean, i agree but your name isn't really helping lol

It's a form of test. Whenever someone disregards what I say to harp on my name; I know they had 0 valid counter-points and can be disregarded.

I mean, for all anyone knows, I have 2k hours as Survivor (In all honesty: I don't). But if they choose to ad hominem instead of address what I say...Know what I'm saying? 😁

in why is every Hillbilly playing bad? Comment by I_Tunnel February 14, 2024

Apparently now 'going back to the hook' is 'scummy'.

You heard it here, Killers; Going back to where you know 2 Survivors are is scummy, and we should all stop doing it! Survivors deserve to freely heal directly under the hook! 😂

in why is every Hillbilly playing bad? Comment by I_Tunnel February 14, 2024

Ah yes, because even The Killer's Basement should not be remotely strong or dangerous.

in Basement Hole Comment by I_Tunnel February 14, 2024

@Chocolate_Cosmos said:
It feels like it does nothing outside of face camping. Proxi camping or even few meters away from hook is still pretty much good and this does nothing to adress it. What are your thoughts?

What should we 'buff' the anti-FACEcamping to be? Anti-Camping?

New Anti-Camping mechanic! If the Killer exists on the same map as a hooked Survivor; That Survivor no longer progresses hook states & can unhook themselves freely!

Let's throw in a new anti-tunnel: Survivors are immune to being hit again after they leave the hook, unless the Killer hooks everyone else, or 45 minutes pass. They can freely heal, sabo hooks, bodyblock, & do gens without losing this immunity!

Hell! Let's throw in that other brain-trust's idea, too!

Survivors who are sacrificed come back as completely immune ghosts who can do gens & follow the Killer around to report on his actions via Discord! And the Killer has no way to stop them! Because apparently Survivors deserve literal-freaking-immunity if the Killer has the temerity to actually kill them!

in Should anti-facecamping be buffed? Comment by I_Tunnel February 14, 2024

@ABAEX said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3649327#Comment_3649327
this idea when killer only know tunnel is trash for those killer.
not Implementation ghost survivor, just change Scourge Hook: Pain Resonance ＆ Pop Goes the Weasel.
Tunnel Built on hook gains, if nerf a little those hook gains perk.
tunnel will be 1k build.

Yes, let's just nerf tunneling. Again. Because Survivors can't win without massive hand holding.

I mean, Survivors already malded over tunneling & got basekit BT. Which they abuse with bodyblocking, then mald some more about being trunneled.

Then they cried over camping & got a camping timer.

They screamed over '3 genning' (Their own fault, btw), and now Killers have limited gen kicks.

What's next? Weeping over being slugged and demanding basekit Unbreakable?

Malding over the Killer closing hatch & demanding basekit Key powers?

Why not just remove the Killer's ability to play. Make all Killers a bot. That would make Survivors happy.

No, wait; Then they could not trash talk the Killer upon winning with all their BS hand holding.

in Still need Balance Adjustments Comment by I_Tunnel February 14, 2024

@ABAEX said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3648956#Comment_3648956
The idea is a broken mess that tips the game so far in Survivor's favor that it would become unplayable. All over this idea that Killers should be punished for trying to win without Survivor approval (What you call 'Brainless sacrifices'), and Survivors should be rewarded with literal immunity/immortality when they die.
nope, just most of player play DBD very bad.
they not play for fun, they play for win.
lights out events now Almost no one play.
Players play it only to get tag decorations, this event is obviously a lot of fun, but no one like it.
"tips the game so far in Survivor's favor."?
even anti-camp and anti-3gen not increase survivor escape rate at all。
Why can you conclude that this change will "tips the game so far in Survivor's favor"?
May this change that would make the Killer playstyle more aggressive, survivors get lower escape rate?
the ghost survivor can Completely resolved some survivor unhook themselves 3 time, and not struggle in Struggle Phase, then be Sacrifice by themself.
Are you just afraid of change? As long as it's changed, it will be booed?

they not play for fun, they play for win.

Maybe they find winning fun? But of course, you don't approve of that, so you want Survivors to come back as freaking untouchable ghosts that can complete generators.

Because, according to you; Killers winning is bad and Survivors should be allowed to complete generators while being literally invincible after they die.

Trash idea is trash.

in Still need Balance Adjustments Comment by I_Tunnel February 14, 2024

@ABAEX said:
after Sacrifice they will back to a ghost.
if they DC when they are ghost they will be punish like normal DC.
as ghost survivor, they can't perceived Terror Radius, only can see close, move slower like carry a Xenomorph turrets.
other The Living Survivor status affects the Ghost Survivor repairs speed:
0 survivor on hook or dying state: 0.65c/s (if gen in Regression State is 0.4c/s)
1 survivor on hook or dying state:0.4c/s (if gen in Regression State is 0.15c/s)
2survivor on hook or dying state:0.15c/s (if gen in Regression State is -0.1c/s)
3survivor on hook or dying state:0.1c/s (if gen in Regression State is -0.15c/s)

after Sacrifice they will back to a ghost.

No. They don't get freaking invincibility as a ghost so they can do gens untouched.

as ghost survivor, they can't perceived Terror Radius, only can see close, move slower like carry a Xenomorph turrets.

And yet they can still complete gens and follow the Killer around, reporting on everything he does over Discord. And the Killer can't stop them. No. The idea is garbage.

other The Living Survivor status affects the Ghost Survivor repairs speed:

No, because Survivors coming back as untouchable ghosts after they die is terrible.

in Remove Killing Self On Hook Comment by I_Tunnel February 14, 2024

@Kaitsja said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3648990#Comment_3648990
Your constant falling back on this argument seems to suggest you think it's possible a mechanic could be implented to fix tunneling.
Tunneling is 100% bad to do and needs garbage mechanics to 'fix' it to make Survivors happy?

I don't even know how you thought that was a serious comment.

I was pointing out YOUR post, where you said 'Tunneling is a detriment' because of the few times it does badly.

I have never said tunneling should be removed. It's a valid tactic. JFC.