Atchoo

I have mentioned a whole comment about them as marketing tools..So explain how does the influencer marketing program improve with an exclusive charm which nobody can obtain? The ony thing devs do with the release of another exclusive cosmetic while giving away every exclusive to the whole community is to create another incentive to become a partner of the fog whisperer program and to show off their inconsistent PR actions.

The fog whisperers are supposed to show off cosmetics, new dlcs to increase sales of auric cells and dlcs etc. + to promote the game itself - thats why they get free dlcs and auric cells. The program is a good marketing program, no doubt - but the implementation and the interface between marketing/product management and cm is poorly done. I am speaking with a solid background in CM/PR and (social media) marketing, so i am aware of the processes behind such programs and the need of detailled arrangements behind the scenes. But posting the inclusion of people as one of the reasons for the free exclusives on multiple social media channels and creating a new more exclusive cosmetic at the same time was not a smart choice.

Regarding your logic issue: Whats the name of the thread? Yes, promotion of a two-classed community. And what did you just write? "Fogwhisperes arent the the same as the player base."

in Feedback: Double moral - Devs' promotion of a two-classed community Comment by Atchoo November 22, 2019

@AvisDeene said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/858861#Comment_858861
I came here to start a thread about her nose and how the devs need to change it from Michael Jackson/Skeletor/Voldemort to something closer to the cinematic trailer version.

Reminds me of Janes bugged nose :D https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/80598/visual-bug-jane-romeros-nose

in Why does Yui’s face look so different from the trailer? Comment by Atchoo November 22, 2019

@LetsPlayTogether said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/104802/feedback-double-moral-devs-promotion-of-a-two-classed-community
Those exclusives will be brought in the game cause it was never supposed to resell those cosmetics given to the players via code. Thats has absolutely nothing to do with exclusives given to fogwhisperers.

It absolutely has. There were like a few main reasons published, one of them was the reselling/scamming issue and another one was to stop the exclusion of players. My post refers to the exclusion part. Devs do exclude people with the release of this (see my first comment in this thread). Furthermore, it does not matter if its a code or an exclusive without a code - reselling accounts is still a thing (saw multiple twitch shirt and king kong accounts for sale), another streamer exclusive just increases the value of such accounts and underlines the special treatment.

in Feedback: Double moral - Devs' promotion of a two-classed community Comment by Atchoo November 22, 2019

@DelsKibara said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/858853#Comment_858853
I should mention because @Fibijean didn't.
Selling your account in any platform Dead by Daylight is on is grounds for that account to be terminated by the platform owner. So if you want to pay thousands of dollars for the risk of that account also going away, go ahead. It'll be a very stupid purchase but I'm sure there will be someone who would do that.

I am absolutely against selling codes, accounts or anything. Its against the Steam and DBD rules and I was just mentioning that it still happens. The devs ' decision to give the exclusive skins to everyone wont change much.

in Feedback: Double moral - Devs' promotion of a two-classed community Comment by Atchoo November 22, 2019

@Fibijean said:
I was never a fan of the exclusive cosmetics being given to everyone really, but I do think that charms are different. Charms are a way of preserving what was good about exclusive skins - that sense of "I was here", like a souvenir or a badge that represents something special - without impacting too heavily on people's ability to customise their character. Also, charms don't face the same issues with third-party reselling or platform exclusivity that exclusive skins did.
And don't you think it's a bit silly to complain just because someone else was selected to receive something special and you weren't? That's like complaining that it's not fair that only people who win the holiday contests are granted free auric cells by the devs, or it's not fair that not every member of the forum is a moderator.
The Fog Whisperer charm is just one way of recognising a certain player as a person who has made a positive contribution to the growth of the game in a particular area. It's okay for people who have been granted a special status to be able to bear a token of that status.

"I was never a fan of the exclusive cosmetics being given to everyone really, but I do think that charms are different. Charms are a way of preserving what was good about exclusive skins - that sense of "I was here", like a souvenir or a badge that represents something special - without impacting too heavily on people's ability to customise their character. Also, charms don't face the same issues with third-party reselling or platform exclusivity that exclusive skins did."

Preserving something like "I was here" after 3 years of DBD? And in fact they will be selled on third-party reselling platforms: Didnt you see what happens with accounts with twitch shirts? Accounts with Twitch/Kingkong/Legacy items are sold for enormous prices and with this decision the devs only give such accounts a higher value on those reselling plattforms.

"And don't you think it's a bit silly to complain just because someone else was selected to receive something special and you weren't? That's like complaining that it's not fair that only people who win the holiday contests are granted free auric cells by the devs, or it's not fair that not every member of the forum is a moderator."

No, it is silly to publish double-morals and inconsistens marketing decisions. One of the reasons why exclusives will be free for everyone was to stop the exclusion of people and your example of winning a holiday contest underlines this reason is neglected. I recommend reading my former comment - you did not understand the message behind this post - its a critique on the interface between community management, product management and marketing

"The Fog Whisperer charm is just one way of recognising a certain player as a person who has made a positive contribution to the growth of the game in a particular area. It's okay for people who have been granted a special status to be able to bear a token of that status."

Next to the Twitch and Kingkong shirts? Next to the thousands of auric cells and DLCs with each update? Although a certain percentage is responsible for a negative contribution to the community behavior? Although they insult the devs in another language in their streams? So in your opinion there is only one possibility to have a special status? So it does not matter how helpful you were within 7000 or more hours behind the scenes like support work outside the game (bugs, videos, artworks, cosplays, reports, promotions etc.)

in Feedback: Double moral - Devs' promotion of a two-classed community Comment by Atchoo November 22, 2019

I prefer her face in the trailer - I was disappointed when I opened the PTB and saw her ingame (hair and facial features look worse than Kate before the hair rework)

in Why does Yui’s face look so different from the trailer? Comment by Atchoo November 22, 2019

@DelsKibara said:
Compared to the exclusives being given out, Charms aren't as noticable or valued as much. It's one of the reasons Rift Charms are also exclusives. Charms are the equivalent of a badge on your shirt, people won't notice it unless you really make it obvious.

It does not matter if its noticeable or not. Some exclusives got lookalikes and they were given to us all aswell (Science Fair top, Dwearder etc.) - the difference is almost not noticeable at all - though they are not exclusive. Nobody is complaining about new skins - the fact that its another special treatment for a very small group of people is the major point. On the one hand side devs say No to exclusives but on the other hand side they make an exception for 60 people. Whoever decided this didnt do a great marketing/community management job - thats really a no go for every PR action.

Plus its an exclusive which can be used on every single killer and survivor. Some of the former exclusives were more visible - totally correct - but they were restricted to a single character.

in Feedback: Double moral - Devs' promotion of a two-classed community Comment by Atchoo November 22, 2019

@PistolTimb said:
Are we really complaining about free cosmetics again? Really?

They are not free - thats the point. They are kept exclusive for 60 people out of thousands of people.

in Feedback: Double moral - Devs' promotion of a two-classed community Comment by Atchoo November 22, 2019

@Myers_Is_My_Dad said:
If you want those exclusives, couldn't you just become a streamer? Is there really a problem in rewarding players who go the extra mile of streaming the game? Or is it harder to become a Fog Whisperer than to just stream semi-frequently?

First of all not everyone is allowed to stream due to job restrictions etc - this is the first restriction - and not every streamer is allowed to be part of the fog whisperer programm - second restriction.

More than 2500 people applied for the fog whisperer programm - 60 got into the programm. So at max. 2.4 percent of the applicants got the role.

Right now (03:17pm CET) 27,315 play DBD in the moment (which is btw just a small percentage of the whole playerbase) --> at max. 0.2 percent of the players online right now are fog whisperers and now you can imagine how low the percentage of fog whisperers in the whole player base is. Ofc you could say now everyone can be a fog whisperer but this will never happen due to economic/marketing reasons: Part of the fog whisperer program are auric cells, free dlcs etc. to show off new content for free. Since cosmetics and DLCs are a huge part of the constant income of DBD a large number of fog whisperers (lets say 50 percent of the playerbase - i know this is insane and would be against every economic decision) wouldnt increase the sales. It would kill the whole influence marketing. The fog whisperer program is an influencer marketing instrument which is not thought to include the whole community since its supposed to increase sales and not to give the role to everyone.

People who supported the game by attending events, playing + winning tournaments or giveaways, publishing multiple awesome and time consuming artworks on various social media platforms, playing the game for 7k hours or even more will lose the exclusivity of all their items. I have every single exclusive skin, first I was not happy everyone gets them but now i think its okay as long as nobody gets an extra treatment.

Next to the scamming issue one of the reasons why they give away the exclusive skins to everyone is to include people and stop excluding people. Okay, I totally get that. But at the same moment they release a brand new exclusive for a smaller "more exclusive" group of people who already got another exclusive (twitch shirt). Definitely feels like a two-classed community.

in Feedback: Double moral - Devs' promotion of a two-classed community Comment by Atchoo November 22, 2019

Im a Legacy 3 Nurse and I liked to play her before the rework but right now I do not enjoy playing her since...

...Dedicated servers lead to extremely weird hitboxes on nurse, random teleports after getting stuck for a seconde while in fatigue
...she lost map control
...she now has two cooldowns (the initial fatigue + the blink cooldown) but because of her slow movement speed she relies on the blink(s) to react to certain actions --> double fatigue after every single blink = even more time you cannot do anything
...there is a high dependence on addons

I really like that the devs worked on the addons, they needed a big rework (no omega blink, no 3+ blinks etc.). Touching the power of the nurse though....that was a bad idea. I still play her from time to time but she's absolutely no fun.

in Nurse Comment by Atchoo November 17, 2019

@YaiPa said:
Crybabies can’t accept that life is unfair, and crying because you don’t have useless skins (some of which, neither i do have) it’s just sad, and insulting towards people like you.

Well, im pretty sure the main reason was to stop selling codes etc but this wont happen since many accounts own Legacy, twitch shirts, a certain amount of prestige characters etc and so the accounts will be offered for sale.

But you are right it is insulting towards long-time supporters, we do not count, fog whisperers do count since they got a new exclusive charm cosmetic although they get a decent amount of auric cells with every chapter.

in Feedback - Exclusive Changes Comment by Atchoo November 14, 2019

@Luigifan64 said:
Bloodletting and Streamer exclusives will stay exclusive

They want to give the other exclusives to the wide communty since they dont want to exclude people - I just ask myself, are the fog whisperers worth more than the other community since they got a new exclusive a few days/weeks ago? - Whoever decided those changes is not doing a good CRM job.

in Feedback - Exclusive Changes Comment by Atchoo November 14, 2019

@Cam said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/835877#Comment_835877
hypocrisy

More like a two classed community

in Why I think the free exclusives is the worst decision, ever. Comment by Atchoo November 14, 2019

@glitterboys666 said:
well i agree with what you are saying bhvr said they want no exclusives anymore so nothing ppl can rlly do

But they still released an exclusive fog whisperer charm, the exclusive crew shirt and the twitch shirts will stay exclusive.

in Why I think the free exclusives is the worst decision, ever. Comment by Atchoo November 14, 2019

I have the same opinion, maybe they could change the color slightly or something like this, change the rarity or give the owners of the codes a special charm etc. (7k hours, almost all codes and I really dislike the devs decision, feels weird since thw twitch shirt, the fog whisperer charm and the crew shirt will stay ecxlusive, supporters like us will be neglected)

in Exclusives coming out is good but something should be given to people who got it from the codes Comment by Atchoo November 14, 2019

@Mesme said:

@Atchoo said:

@Mesme said:
So have any of you gotten any of the event cosmetics yet? I know I haven't... Kinda hard at times because of DS and how far hooks spawn. While on the survivor side dealing with campers on the special gens but all and all if I keep at it I'm sure I'll get them.

I had no problems at all to get my skins. I needed 2 and a half hours for my Billy hammer and on another day I played mostly survivor and got my Kate skin. So I guess you need to play 8 hours in total for both rewards and you have 2 weeks time for it. In my opinion that is not challenging at all.

I'm about to get Billy's hammer from there I can just focus on Survivors.

Great!^^ You see it isnt that hard, its still so much time left, you can get Kates shirt easily too.

in Any luck with the event? Comment by Atchoo August 9, 2018

@Mesme said:
So have any of you gotten any of the event cosmetics yet? I know I haven't... Kinda hard at times because of DS and how far hooks spawn. While on the survivor side dealing with campers on the special gens but all and all if I keep at it I'm sure I'll get them.

I had no problems at all to get my skins. I needed 2 and a half hours for my Billy hammer and on another day I played mostly survivor and got my Kate skin. So I guess you need to play 8 hours in total for both rewards and you have 2 weeks time for it. In my opinion that is not challenging at all.

in Any luck with the event? Comment by Atchoo August 9, 2018

@Skorpanio said:

@Atchoo said:
if the devs fix the connection issue today, they do not need to expand the event at all. It is really easy to get the skins. I played 2 and a half hours killer yesterday and I got all 50 suvivor chops.

Well, I don't have as much time as the rest of the community.
And all of us aren't as good eather.
But 2-3 day would be nice just to show some extra love to the community.

If you dont have 2-3 hours in 2 weeks, then you shouldnt get the skin. It should be a challenge. And every match starts with 2 event gens and 2 event hooks, it is really easy to fulfill the challenge, just give it a try and you will see. There is absolutely no need to get more time.

in I'd like for the devs to extend the event by 4-5 days due to connection issues. Comment by Atchoo August 8, 2018

if the devs fix the connection issue today, they do not need to expand the event at all. It is really easy to get the skins. I played 2 and a half hours killer yesterday and I got all 50 suvivor chops.

in I'd like for the devs to extend the event by 4-5 days due to connection issues. Comment by Atchoo August 8, 2018

@Shadoureon said:
I personally never experienced people coming to my stream with hate. I have 2 examples that survivors did come in my lobby asking why I dced and after explaining they were chill and even followed me.

First was when I spawned I saw a Claudette and started to chase her but she inmediatly ran to the storagehouse for a long loop and not even 20s in my ruin got cleansed aswell and I simply thought to myself this was a loss so I left. The Claudette came to my stream and I told her I simply thought I couldnt win and the match wouldnt be a fun experience anymore and she understood and followed me and even stayed for an hour to talk in chat wich was huge for me since I dont get chatters at all.

The second example was few days ago. I got this bug that my mouse leaves my main screen to my left screen even if I play in fullscreen and no matter what I try I simply cant get a fix. It was fine as a survivor because I only use my mouse buttons when repairing, healing and unhooking pretty much so when I accidently click on my left screen it makes my character stop but its doable for me because I simply enjoy this game. However as a killer I use the mousebuttons way more but I forgot about that so I started to play as a killer in my first match on stream and it was a hell. Whenever I got looped and finally was close enough to hit them my mouse was already on the left screen and instead of hitting my killer would simply stop moving because I clicked on the wrong screen. After 3 minutes of not beeing able to hit anyone eventhough without this bug I would I simply gave up and left. 2 survivors came in my chat and understood and were okay with it.

So far whenever people came in my chat after a match they were simply real cool and nice. So I never really had that toxic streamer vs players that you experienced.

Thank you for your comment That sounds great, I am absolutley for positive vibes! And it shows that a streamer can act differently, thank you for that! I (and quite a few other people here) had bad experiences as a "normal" player with a streamer, so you see it has something to do with streamer influence.

in Stop Harassment and appreciate a gifted escape! + Streamer Influence! Comment by Atchoo August 6, 2018

@Clatron said:

@Atchoo said:
And once again the "Mori me D***y" (not the complete name!) is witch hunting on her stream! It is getting ridicoulous. But I guess she is too simple-minded to behave appropriate (sorry for this but it has to be said this way!)! Embarassing such people have a viewership and abuse it to spread toxicity over and over and nothing happens to them!

What did you expect from her? I know her from her stream and she always acts like this. Just a little girl which needs spread lies and as soon as she sees someone she doesnt like or someone who told her she played unfair, behaved bad etc, she starts shittalking.

Well, at least I am not the only one who noticed that. Though this is not the place to make nasty remarks about her. We would just do the same she does. I hope this user will realize that she is unable to reflect her behaviour, maybe this will come when she grows up a bit. Thank you for your comment @Clatron, I appreciate it.

in Stop Harassment and appreciate a gifted escape! + Streamer Influence! Comment by Atchoo August 6, 2018

And once again the "Mori me D***y" (not the complete name!) is witch hunting on her stream! It is getting ridicoulous. But I guess she is too simple-minded to behave appropriate (sorry for this but it has to be said this way!)! Embarassing such people have a viewership and abuse it to spread toxicity over and over and nothing happens to them!

in Stop Harassment and appreciate a gifted escape! + Streamer Influence! Comment by Atchoo August 6, 2018

@FrenziedRoach said:
It's an easy trap to fall into - to always blame the other guy.

When I'm broadcasting, I try to balance this out by indicating what I should of done differently or where I screwed up. "I made a mistake, and this was the mistake I made"

It's only human to want to deflect blame. All you can do is be aware of it in yourself and try to work against that impulse.

Thank you for your comment As stated above I do not say every streamer does it, there are a lot of great streamers I love to watch who reflect their gameplay. I'd like to watch your stream soon, is your twitch name the same?

in Stop Harassment and appreciate a gifted escape! + Streamer Influence! Comment by Atchoo August 3, 2018

@Barrarcuda said:
I think the same on your topic, why dont they just remove the after-chat? Know this user too. Sad! Such a bad example for her viewers and the DBD players.

Thanks for your comment. Removing the after-chat wouldnt help, there are still great people out there whom you would never get to know if the after-chat is closed.

Yes, indeed. I really dislike such a behaviour.

in Stop Harassment and appreciate a gifted escape! + Streamer Influence! Comment by Atchoo August 3, 2018

@Clatron said:
Totally agree with your opinion on this. I am pretty sure I know the streamer you are talking about, made the same experience with her multiple times. Just dont stop playing the way you do right now because of people like her and those in your post.

Thank you for your comment. Yes, sadly she is known for it by quite a few people I know but guess what ..she wont change: In her chat people were promoting to tunnel me and spreading insults about me for telling her my opinion in the pre-lobby chat in a normal way - I think I shouldnt have watched the past broadcast to see if my message did help her to think about her responsibility. Well, I guess I expected too much from her - Just the game after the chat she insulted the killer ingame as a "#########" etc. Such a great influence on her viewers, she really deserves an applause for it! I hope you understand the irony.

But its great to see other people sharing my opinion on harassment in after-chat and streams and the streamer influence. So thank you!

in Stop Harassment and appreciate a gifted escape! + Streamer Influence! Comment by Atchoo August 3, 2018

Another update: Got into the same lobby with the streamer (who wantes to get moried due to her name) whom I told you about (Hag game on treatment) and I asked her in the lobby to stop spreading false opinions and welcomed her to read this discussion. Guess what she did in her stream? Still using her stream to promote false accusations like I was a tunneler, unfun to play against etc. Just read the text in the beginning, getting more and more ridiculous this girl. Met her so many teimes as survivor and as killer and everytime she blames the other side, its NEVER her fault. And op top of that she and her chat made nasty remarks, its clearly such a positive influence on our community. KAPPA.

in Stop Harassment and appreciate a gifted escape! + Streamer Influence! Comment by Atchoo August 3, 2018

Short update: I got one of those guys who harassed and behaved inappropriately after my pig game again. I managed to write him some lines in the after-chat that he should think about his behaviour towards other users. I hope he/she understood it and will behave more respectful towards other people in the internet. Many people have no sense of shame regarding their behaviour towards other people in the internet. I mean this user is already known for his/her insults and disrespectful behaviour but I still think some of those could change..at least he/she started to write normally after another unsuccessfull trial to trigger me. Giving this community a less toxic atmosphere was the intention of this discussion. I will definitly see him again in some matches, so we will see if it has worked for this user.