The Judgement is Still BROKEN. Here's Why
The following video demonstrates The Judgement being absolutely broken;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKm4cQp7bZ0The judgement right now is being the main ender of winstreaks against fully trained competitive teams with abusing builds.
I say this as a currently Judgement main, who wants this killer to succeed, and wants this killer to be incredibly strong, but ultimately fair.
In my old post I've argued in detail on why The Judgement curve is at the center of determining whether this killer ends up in a fair spot or not: The Judgement Curve SHOULD be fixed — BHVR
In it, I argue that the value of the curve should be exactly balanced to where, when the Judgement plays perfectly and the survivors dodge perfectly, it should ultimately come down to superhuman reaction time (150-200ms) on whether The Judgement hits it.
This means that there is only 1 curve value and 1 blast radius that CAN be ultimately considered fair for The Judgement.
Considering that the Devs in the past have been motivated to use the curve itself as a Zealous mechanic, it is now time we put a stop to it and make the curve and radius in both Zealous and Non Zealous standardized to be EXACTLY fair.
Should the Devs want other incentives for Exiling over hooking over the ones that are already there, then that'll need to take a different creative direction. However, to put the Judgement in a place that's fair for both sides, it's time to acknowledge that The Judgement can only exist as a fair killer if we standardize the curve + radius, with no additional add-ons that alter the curve nor size.
I currently estimate her Truly fair values to be around 0.3s curve and a base +10% beam size. With the perfect value probably being somewhere between 0.3s and 0,4s but never more, and probably leaning closer to 0.3.
As long as there is no standardized value, it will always mean that her ability, in whether zealous or non-zealous, is inherently fair and unbalanced towards 1 side of player; either to herself or to the survivors. That is the part that we need to stop.
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The matches in the video were extremely close games. I'd understand if it was a stomp, but... your saying the killer should be nerfed because they managed to challenge this team.
Nope, because the killer was nowhere near their level. You can see the killers doing some large misses that a good Judgement player wouldn't make. The Judgements they are facing are playing nowhere near as good as they are as a competitively organized team.
Keep in mind too that at a competitive level, even killers like Nurse will resort to hard tunnelling in most cases. The Judgements in this match were not even really trying.
Showing that without real skill at that level, and lacking the strategy and macro play at that level, they were still able to win against arguable one of the best Teams in the world, while making complete blunder shots and missing by an entire radius for 0 reason.
Not even a peak performance.
Killers having a chance against swfs doesn’t mean the killer is broken. Rivercivers latest video also shows why Judgment (and a couple of other killers) are way to babified. He has good points on why these killers suck again decent teams most of the time and why the current design of killers suck.
Maybe showing a video of a "good judgement" absolutely stomping them would've been a better example then. Instead we see a team thats apparently been able to win over 150 matches in a row and a killer is called "busted" after a draw. Im sure the 150 games before this had them beating ppl playing judgement.
Riverciver 💀
He is right though in his video
Referencing one of the game's most vile and detestable pieces of trash is one hell of a self report.
Rivers content might not be for everyone, but his videos of dbds balancing an design like his Blight or Ghoul video are some of the best Dbd videos. And the recent one is great too. If he was wrong about his takes in Dbd why can’t anyone proof him wrong? Everyone just insults him or says he is wrong without points such as in my Self Preservation post. You are just mad they nerfed it and used my main point under the patch notes. GG
Some DBD CCs are just… rough. I remember awhile back seeing a video from the killer POV with the whole match ending in like 4 minutes. The survivors managed to get the gens done and the gates opened in crazy record time, which just left me going "I dont think that should be possible…". The entire point went completely out the window though since the killer in question was freaking Tru3Talent.
you talking about the "harmless killer" video?
Yes I do
Your main point? Yeah, it was all your doing, random guy. Which of your parasocial obsessions did you get your main point from anyway? Since all you ever seem to do is reference some CC.
"Not for everyone" he's a troll that makes jokes about ######### and people dying, not to mention the doxxing, and was banned from the game. Defending someone that gross because he knows about some stupid video game is repulsive.
Edit: lol at you downvoting me. Oh no what will I do?
I never said something about the doxxing stuff, I just said that his discussion about the game videos are actually good. I’m not defending him but he shows in his videos how people like Scott lie about him and he proves he didn’t do the doxxing. Most people I saw accusing him of doxxing, lying or something else never show evidence. Cry as much as you want, bhvr agreeing with me just proofs me right.
And for where I got my points from, my own experience with this perk, I made that clear in my original post and I never named any CC before right now.
Congratulations you lost to a „random guy“.
Yeah, I watched that video and it was terrible. Thats the kind of whining the gives killer mains a bad name. Compared to the past where you felt actually weak and just hoping someone misjudges distance as all you can really do is walk in a circle… most killers dont really have that issue nowadays, especially the newer ones. I have NEVER had a game as Jason where I felt where I was just powerless against the survivor team. I've had games where Ive lost, but that I can honestly say was just because I had a rough match and they were better than me. I definitely had the tools to get the job done and definitely wouldnt say I was "harmless". Just like with the survivor team in the video posted above… you're gonna lose a game every now and then. Thats kinda to be expected on both sides and we really dont need to put on our tinfoil hats and act like victims when it finally happens. I swear, hearing that survivor team talk was about as obnoxious as listening to River.
My guy that's a really cute fantasy but your one post that almost no one engaged with except to say you were wrong didn't get that perk nerfed.
And you are defending him, and supporting him by watching his content. Even if the only thing that's true is the disgusting stuff he has personally said than that's more than enough.
The downvotes on a dying forum are cracking me up tho. Keep going.
Its alright bud, Ill add upvotes to even it out. Go get em.
I never said that the perk got nerfed because of me, I just said that BHVR used the same point as me in their patchnotes when nerfing this perk. And I find it funny because many people disagreed with me without making good points against my like 10 and BHVR actually has the same opinion about SP as me.
There is nothing wrong with watching his content, better than most people’s content who are in the creator program.
And to rub it more in before I go to sleep, comparing Rivers Dbd Related Videos (not the drama ones) and the forum, he makes better points than 90% of posts that are in here.
The killer just got all her buffs reverted and we want….more nerfs? Absolutely not.
i think judgement's fine
What makes a killer broken then? Seemingly nothing according to you.
Thanks man you're the best
The problem for me is what feels like infinite aura reading access.
Yeah man you caught it entirely, if a judgment stops a swf from winning a 500 game streak it's kinda broken. Nevermind if a trapper or ghostface can't get off the ground vs players with any kind of game sense. A SWF with any kind of skillset should just have infinite wins really.