Why do the special modes have to make exceptions for Survivors?
Chaos Shuffle: The point of the mode is that everthing is random. Well except for Survivors. They still can bring every item they want to
Lights out: The point of the Mode is that everything is dark for both sides without any perks. Well except for Survivors. They now get free Windows of Opportunity
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Chaos Shuffle: The killer is free to choose their character.
Lights Out: The Survivors also get no TR, no stain (iirc), and, let's not forget, severely hampered vision.
And Killers get Franklin's.
Oh by all means I'd love it if killers get randomly selected. Be hilarious seeing people randomly get like skull merchant.
This would be too much randomness IMO. Some people dont play certain Killers for a reason.
I would personally not mind this as an option, even for the normal queue, that you can pick 5 Killers you want to play and the game randomly selects one for you.
Sure and some survivors don't pick certain items for a reason. It's the same argument. Personally I'd be fine with either but it should be fair. Either everyone gets everything randomly or both sides get some control.
I mean, Survivors get to pick their Items, same with Killers. But even if you randomize the Item for Survivors (not saying that this should be done), randomizing a Killer is way too much. Like, I can still play Survivor just fine when the game gives me a Fog Vial randomly (the worst Item), but I would not like to have to play a Killer I completely dislike.
Lol no, sorry buddy but if I have to be stuck randomly with a broken key or a map then you can run the risk of getting skull merchant.
It is really not that hard to understand.
Item —> Does not affect gameplay in a big way. You still have to do the standard Survivor stuff.
Killer —> Completely changes the gameplay.
So… you don't understand how items work. Medkits are very impactful from a gameplay perspective and the same can be said for toolboxes if you are able to use them correctly. Like just say you want your side to be stronger and that you don't actually want to deal with random elements in the chaos game mode. You would look slightly less ridiculous than trying to justify yourself.
Mate, I think you are completely in the wrong here, lol. First time I get called killer-sided here in a long time. Shows that people who dont have arguments go to the "You are x-sided" very quickly. Thank you for proving that point, this time from the other perspective.
Anyway, you cannot be for real, seriously. Sure, there is some difference if you pick a good Toolbox or get a crappy Key, I will not argue with that. But it is not like you have much of a gameplay-change as Survivor.
As Killer on the other hand, if you get a random Killer, you might get a Killer you are not familiar with at all. Or which cannot be played in a meaningful way, e.g. when you are on console and the RNG gives you Nurse. Like, in theory I can play with every Killer in the game, since I played every Killer in the game. But this does not mean that I want to.
But as Survivor, I would have no issue playing Survivor with a broken Key. But again, this is not even the case, since Survivors can choose their own Items.
However, getting a random Killer is just too much randomness.
Ah yes, so tailored to the survivor experience when killers are tunneling and slugging more than usual because they don't fear the slim chance of a Chaos Shuffle giving survivors certain perks to counter it
Items and killers are not even remotely close to one another. Plenty of survivors go into matches without items. You wouldnt be required to use a randomly assigned item. You can just put it down.
Killers are all totally different. There are killers I have zero idea how they work. Getting a killer that does a zillion things like Vecna would be impossible. You'd spend the whole match trying to figure out the killer. This would be the most survivor-sided mode that ever existed. I would never queue to play killer in that.
Killers can bring in every killer they want.
Lights out is literally the worst mode to play as survivor. Its just disadvantage over disadvantage.
Nah, four survivors that all know how to use their items is extremely strong. And either way that still does not change my argument. Either both sides should get to pick their main power or both sides should get total chaos. None of this special consideration nonsense.
I haven’t played lights out since the their first ever iteration. Not a fan of getting down without being able to loop
I think Survivor items should be random to make the mode fairer.
As much as I'd hate to get a useless map or a key and although I can only blind Killers at pallets 50% of the time (with only two beamer saves to my name, both of which I'm pretty sure were flukes), I still think Survivors should have totally randomised items. Randomising the Killer is a step too far, though.
I think Lights Out is unsalvageable but if you're wondering why Survivors are getting help in that mode, I have something like a 6% escape rate in Lights Out. I kinda hated it and will probably give it miss when it returns next week even with the base-kit Windows.
Your item isn't your main power. It's literally optional. Killers can't not bring their abilities.
I think it is fine like it currently is in Chaos Shuffle.
And IMO I think that even in the normal mode, Items should be the power of the Survivor. This would also help to declutter the Bloodweb A LOT.
I can agree items aren't as impactful as killers, but saying items don't effect gameplay in a big way ignores how good medkits and toolboxes are.
Killers can choose to use their abilities or not. Same thing.
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It’s really not. How’s a killer expected to do anything without using their power?
M1, same way that a survivor does not need to use their items.
You cannot seriously be equating that.
Yeah, I can be. Because four survivor items is extremely impactful on how the game goes just like the killers power is extremely impactful on how the game goes. Both survivors and killers don't technically need to use their 'power' to win but it makes things drastically easier. Either way I don't see why killers need special treatment. Either survivors should get to pick their items just like how killers get to pick theirs or it should all be random.
Items do not "drastically make things easier" to the same degree a killer power does. A killer power is the game itself. It's what determines how the opposing players interact. It determines what the threat actually is; what to look out for, what's not a threat.
An item just speeds up an action, and/or unlocks one.
Not to mention that items are depletable. Killer powers are not. And before you mention it, no that does not exclude Huntress/Trickster, they can reload indefinitely in a locker, without the need of a perk.
Dude, come up with a better argument than one that's literally just a logical fallacy.
You're gonna need to elaborate on what the fallacy is.
Special pleading, survivor's items are largely equivalent to killer powers in terms of strength. Four survivors who know what they are doing with their builds is going to have more impact on how the match goes from their items than say skull merchant. None of your arguments thus far show any reason why killers deserve special treatment and thus your whole argument boils down to nothing more than a logical fallacy.
That's because I wasn't arguing for special treatment. What I don't get is how you claim a killer using only M1 is similar to a survivor not using an item.
Neither are using the abilities they have. It's not complicated.
But thats also where the similarities end. This is still an asym, with asymmetrical components, and trying to make them seem symmetrical doesn't really make sense.
Like cogsturning said, a killer can't choose to not bring their power. A survivor can do plenty well without an item.
And a killer can do well without a power, all they technically need is the ability to m1 just like technically the survivors only need the ability to repair generators. Once again you are just arguing for special treatment.
No, I’m not.
I hate to say it, but if you think a killer that ONLY M1’s is going to do well, to the same level a survivor without an item can do well, you’re frankly delusional.
Anyway can you come up with an actual argument yet or is name calling and fallacies the only thing you have?
If you think a killer using M1 only is viable, then I really don’t know what to tell you.
It's as viable as survivors not using any items.
Then let me ask you this:
Is it viable?
Not really, just like it's not really viable for survivors to come in with no items.
And that's where I heavily disagree.
Try it, you'll find you really only need perks, and sometimes not even those.
Unless you're tunnelled, of course, in which case neither will really help you.
Try playing without killers power then, all you really need is perks and sometimes not even those. All you need to do is tunnel of course.
I have. It was a slog. I thought we agreed on that.
It's really not comparable.
Except I just did compare it because it is comparable.
I give up, you're impossible.