Plot Twist forces unfair scenarios
Plot Twist at the pallet for a potential save and waste more time? No problem.
Forced Decisive Strike or leave them behind for full health again? LOL. Plot Twist.
You're injured at End Game but you have no medkit and see no possibility of a teammate healing you? No worries, I got your back! Plot Twist.
There used to be a counter to this perk which was Deerstalker. I used this perk specifically against this but oh, wait, it got reworked.
Yeah, no, change Plot Twist immediately. This is not healthy whatsoever.
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Its a once or twice per game effect it likely will not be changed
You can say the same thing to Dead Hard yet it can change the outcome of a match.
Dead hard procs in chase and is a third health state plot twist is a two time stealthy self care with minor buffs after
What does that have to do with what I said?
You compared two things that weren't related one is extremely powerful in its ability for anti tunnel and chase extending potential the other is basically just a medkit with elusive and a mini SB
I said both of these perks can change the outcome of the game. A perk shouldn't unfairly have such a huge impact which the killer has no control over whatsoever.
Plot Twist can also deactivate Corrupt Intervention, which is stupid as for me…
Aside from it deactivating corrupt I genuinely think plot twist is not problematic at all many perks change the outcome of the game I personally don't think one survivor spending 20 seconds to heal themselves up to full really affects the game that much I mean at this point pharmacy is problematic as long as you know where the chests are you can get multiple full heals in 24 seconds and provide your entire team with medkits
I don't know why plot twist would be a problem when stuff Deli STB DS WGLF and Conviction or for the killers side stuff like Forced Hesi Coulrophobia Remember me ect. The point is there are many problematic perks that plot twist literally is nowhere near in power level to.
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Yeah but then one of the survivors is running Plot Twist/No Mither lol
We are mad about meme perks now.
I love versing Plot Twist because its usally a free hook by just picking up the user
"Unfair" here is just describing that a perk does something. Even that there exists other perks where it can force the opponent into having to eat the effects of at least one of them or play very differently/suboptimally is hardly uncommon. Do you believe that Thrill + Devour is "unfair" because it forces survivors to either spend a long time cleansing totems or be Exposed? Pentimento + Plaything is "unfair"? Head On + Inner Strength? Spirit Fury + Enduring? Dance With Me + Quick & Quiet?
And "it can change the outcome of the game" is a meaningless platitude that can be said about anything. So can Reactive Healing. So can Red Herring. So can NOED. So can Blood Warden.
Plot Twist is not a meme perk. It's funny but it's not a meme perk.
It's like Yoshimitsu from Soul Calibur. Yes, he's funny, but he is not a joke character and he will destroy you if you don't take him seriously. Basically all of Nick Cage's perks are like this, all three of them are both funny and strong.
And no, before I go on, I am not saying it needs a nerf, it's perfectly fine. But I do want to address the notion that it's just for memes.
Ignoring the fact that what the perk does by itself in a vacuum is very effective. Basically letting you heal without a medkit 1-2 times per trial, one of them being in endgame when you might need the ability to heal yourself the most.
It's also one of the best anti-slug perks in the game. If you have Plot Twist there is no reason whatsoever not to use it when you know you're about to go down. It forces the killer to pick you up whether they want to or not. And unlike Unbreakable or We're Gonna Live Forever, it's not a dead perk slot if the killer doesn't slug, since it still has all of its normal utility.
And yes, it can be used like OP describes. You can force yourself to go down under a pallet and make yourself basically invincible. If you have an ally around then the killer can't afford to pick you up, but if the killer takes too long to pick you up then you just get up by yourself at full health. It can be paired with DS as well to create similar lose/lose situations.
Yeah and you have to be injured first to even use it. Most people are not going to run Plot Twist with No Mither to be able to counter Corrupt Intervention.
I love Plot Twist to death, it's one of the best designed perks in the game but I have to ask…
How is intentionally downing yourself NOT a conspicuous action? The main reason you use plot twist is the heal and healing is a conspicuous action so… What gives?
The comparison to Locker DS is interesting but at least locker DS doesn't heal the survivor if you ignore them (unless they also use inner strength with it, but that takes more prep). Locker DS is also easy to mess up if the Killer gives you deep wound first
It really is the definition of lose/lose for killers who tunnel but also killers who punish survivor misplays. If the survivor who got unhooked chooses not to get healed and instead play aggressively, what are you really meant to do other than just ignoring them and letting them get fully healed?
I don't know how I'd fix it, personally. I think Plot Twist is fine as is and survivors can always just run into the Killer to get downed anyway to use their DS, it's more so the fact they pressure the killer into picking them up right then and there or otherwise they're fully healed and the chase was a waste of time.
Plot twist isnt meme perk, the screeming one or dramaturgy are from cage but not plot twist that has so many more uses compare to these two.
Meme perk isntt one that can impact game or counter hard other perks like corrupt, slowdown endgame collapse on command or with other perks make you safe from killer like with ds.
Deffinitely not mene perk when its usefulness its so huge and b-tier perk at worst.
Plot twist<resurgence
I know the perks, thanks. All perks can be useful, even meme perks.
As someone who runs aura on killer, I'm well aware the perk is useful, but it can also be detrimental. It's a decent perk, silly too, but can also get you killed.
By the wieght of usefulness in hard situations plot twist offers its not meme perk thats like calling devour meme perk.
Plot twist offers many solutions to hard situations for survivors such as compleatly solving slugging whole team or slowing endgame timer or making you unslugable with ds and so on which no “meme” perk does and its tiered as very powerfull perk.
If you ran aura perks you can get free hooks from plot twist users but if they are aware you wont.
It doesn't solve slugging the whole team. It can make it worse. It triggers Infectious Fight.
“This isn’t healthy whatsoever” is wild over Plot Twist of all things 😂
It’s a meme perk half the time. If a survivor wants to flop around at a pallet at 0 hook states, that’s a skill issue on their side, not mine as killer. Deerstalker getting reworked didn’t secretly turn Plot Twist into some unstoppable god perk lol.
Respectfully I don’t agree with this thread.
It does, when the survivor who isnt last on feet uses it killer cant leave him unless he doesnt mind letting him rise and shine with full health states.
Infectios is one thing but survivor forcing killer in either picking him up or letting him on the ground so picks himself up fully healed is counter for slugging almost as unbreakable that only has few advantages to plot twist like being hidden and giving faster recovery rate even after its one time use is done.
Infectious doesnt automaticaly win killer slugging its just gives him info important to make it faster or to make it more effective in exetution but doesnt change fact that plot twist has very simular use to counter slugging maybe not so hard as conviction or no mither but it has still huge counter as perk plus many other uses.
So your “but infectious” isnt so beneficial for killer when theres survivor who will pick himself guarantee in full health and only oneshot killers can counter it potencionaly.
At this point no mither is way more mene than plot twist, only meme thing about plot twist is that it can create meme and hilerious moments but the perk by itself in use and power isnt meme at all.