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I think I'm bad at both roles.

Gylfie Gylfie
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Lately I've been snooping around the forums and I've seen many back and forths between on the one hand, people who claim survivor is overpowered and easy, and on the other hand, people who claim killer is the easiest it's ever been to play. Oddly enough, I find myself agreeing with neither party.

As killer it feels like I have to try super hard and perhaps tunnel and camp to get one kill, which isn't fun to do so I don't do it. I like to play fair because playing mean makes me feel bad. I'm hoping mmr will take me where I need to be but no luck so far as I still get mostly destroyed. In one game where it took me until the last gen was popped to get a hook, the survivors even asked if I had stopped trying. 🙃

As survivor, I only play solo queue, mainly because I don't have any friends who play this game but also because I feel that alone and without communication is exactly how this game was meant to be played in the first place. I wouldn't say I'm bad, as I have the general game sense to try and not 3-gen my team and I know what needs to happen at what point of the game, but I'm also not good. I can't play without Windows because I would go down in ten seconds, I miss my Dead Hard 70% of the time, I'm too scared to go for end-game saves because I know I don't have the skill to unhook and make it out alive, ...

So I find myself in this odd position where I think killer is too difficult to play yet I also die constantly in solo queue. You'd think I would find at least one of the two roles easy to play, because if killer is hard, survivor must be easy and vice versa. It's starting to dawn on me that I might just be bad at both roles.

I'm not sure what I would like to achieve with this discussion, I think I just wanted to get my point of view out there and see if perhaps anyone else feels this way too. And maybe obtain some advice on how to perform better?

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  • SMitchell8 SMitchell8

    Pretty much in the same boat. I'm escaping in solo's every 7th match id say. I give a good account of myself in solos but there's only so much one can do. Last night was a classic example. Got stomped by a Wraith who had 3 hooks at 5 gens. I then play as Knight and got to 3 gens with 0 hooks lol. Managed to turn it around and get a 3k before letting the last live, but what a sweatfest I find all games as Oni and Knight.

  • Gylfie Gylfie

    @SMitchell8 said:

    Pretty much in the same boat. I'm escaping in solo's every 7th match id say. I give a good account of myself in solos but there's only so much one can do. Last night was a classic example. Got stomped by a Wraith who had 3 hooks at 5 gens. I then play as Knight and got to 3 gens with 0 hooks lol. Managed to turn it around and get a 3k before letting the last live, but what a sweatfest I find all games as Oni and Knight.

    I'm glad it's not just me then!

    The game in which I got destroyed was also as Knight. I've stopped playing him now thinking maybe he's just not very good, but I also get deleted as Wesker, so...

  • HugTechLover HugTechLover

    I think there are a lot of people in that same boat, and that is ok. There is nothing wrong with that, as long as you have fun playing the game.

    I know killer can be pretty unfun if you aren’t great at the role.. I’ve got thousands of hours in killer and even I still have some games that push my buttons. Don’t even stress it.

  • Xernoton Xernoton

    If you want to get better, try and find out where your shortcomings lie. For example you could be great at positioning and decision making as a survivor but bad in chase. Once you know, you can try and practise these things. Take a chase and run a tile you don't feel comfortable of. Also, play both sides. As a killer you will see how other survivors play around different structures and as a survivor you will notice how other killers mindgame and prioritize.

    Don't worry about the game feeling hard on both sides. I'm pretty much in the same boat. DBD is a hard game in general. Just focus on having fun. Eventually you'll get better.

  • IrlClownMain IrlClownMain

    It takes a lot of time to get good at either role but don't feel too bad about solo queue. I've spent a lot of time practicing survivor and more often than not I get a claudette who's more interested in bushes than doing objectives. But for killer I'd suggest looking into different builds or trying out different ones to practice as. Watching streamers also helped me learn what I could do better

  • EvilSerje EvilSerje

    Bro, when I just came to DbD, it was owerwhelming (even back then when life were simplier and not so many perks). But later it all come to some CRUCIAL points that you missing, fixing them would improve you greatly.

    Small example: after getting my 100th sacrifice I still couldn't get how it is possible to get survivor without bulldozing all pallets and in some loops. I started investigating and found.... ta-dam! Lounge attack! Didn't know about it before, but after that things got a lot easier.

    And there were many stages when I was struggling, and after certain personal "level up" progress went further.

    Basic "level-ups" for the killer, that improved my perfomance drastically:

    • Gens almost always more important than surivors. Denying certain gens and hitting everyone gives much more pressure than even downing one, go hook him and then start another chase. Gen could be done at the same time, because:
    • Always remember: if you don't bother survivor, he would most likely do gen. It's a law and you always keep that in mind. Learn to macroplay. That goes with next statement:
    • Your MAIN objective is denying survivors of their objective. Hooking and killing them is somewhat "byproduct" of your main objective. Hitting all 4 instead of downing one? Great, they will go heal instead of DOING GENS. You downed one, but see another one, go after him, third one will have to safe first one INSTEAD of DOING GENS. Etc.
    • Before recent patch, I would recommend to do all killers adepts, because I don't know better "training mode" to understand killer and how to harass survivors with him. But now they butchered the challenge (you need just kill all 4 no matter how). Nevertheless you could set this challenge for yourself: get at least 9 hooks, prolong match more than 10 minutes, chase everyone, don't allow majority of gens be done in the first minutes and not allow escape through exit gates.
    • Do not camp and tunnel (see statement 2). It will stunlock your skill on easy wins early on, but leave completely helpless against decent teams. If they win, well, gg, what of it. But you can retrospect the match and see what you did wrong and what you could do.
    • Just some things that come from experience: predict survivor movements, shortcut their paths in chase, get familliar with maps, know loops and simple mindgames (for example, how and when hide red stain in shack and what direction choose), zone survivors, etc. Good survivors could influence the match on macro, but in chase you are set the rules.
    • Watch some streamers on YT and their gameplay. Can get some ideas from them.
    • Most important thing: enjoy. Everyone escape? GG. What did you lose? Nothing. Killer role is the most fun and where you always play (comparing to either sit with holding M1 or dangling from a hook whole match). Don't play like salty sweatlord that cling to a single kill and render other players like archnemesis that crapped on your door and killed you hamster. You win? Let last surivor go. Or gift him hard achievement (like "Left for dead" or "Outbreak breakout"). You won't believe how many kind words you will see in endgame chat.


    Well, as for survivor...... I'm still struggling with it. Don't know how to improve anymore, you are really dependant on your team and killer playstyle. Most of the times you literally can't do anything. What I aquired yet:

    • first hit the most "problematic" gens. Gens on open areas, gens that close to each other, etc.
    • detect what killer you get and what playstyle he use. If he is camper/tunneler, nothing much you can do, unless the first target is god-looper.
    • do not chase around hooked survivor, also find a way to be annoying to draw attention from hook (like impudently doing gen near hooked survivor)
    • unfortunately, cannot use many perk builds if you don't want to die fast, survivor is hugely perk dependant. I think it is personal job to sift through perks and found ones that crucial for you. But one thing is for certain: Kindred is a MUST HAVE! Hands down. Helps not only you, but your team as well. My go to build is Kindred + CoH + SB + WoO/Distortion/Fogwise

    But really I don't know what more to say about survivors, it is very frustrating and boring experience. Maybe I'm missing some crucial thing, but didnt find it yet (I'm 2K hours)

  • MrPsych MrPsych

    What's your stance on ranged killers? Maybe your killer experience will click more with killers like Huntress, Deathslinger, Trickster or get an hybrid of melee and ranged like Nemesis.

    I would argue that killer is probably the most accessible it's been right now, but matchmaking is thinking way too highly of you. I had a similar problem when I stopped playing for a year and came back: I'd get destroyed by about every group of survivors I'd face no matter what. But eventually I got put where I did belong and things finally got more manageable.

    And yeah I do get your survivor woes. Every time I play killer, I find that survivors can effortlessly waste my time around tiny loops and the likes, but the moment I try to do what the survivors do, I get downed within 10 seconds. I'd argue you don't need to be great at every aspect of survivor to have a good time at it, I'm happy just repairing gens and going for rescues with heal-ready builds. Even though you and I might not be great at chases, one good thing to remember is to try and lure the killer away from everyone and everything. Either you'll waste their time enough for a gen to pop or they'll half heartedly chase you to not give up on a good gen setup.

    I'll say plenty of good advice also got posted in here so feel free to digest everything slowly. Like about everything, the only way to get better at DBD is just to play it. Knowledge of the game also will serve you well, but nothing will beat actual experience.

  • stonedcandle stonedcandle

    To get good at solo queue take off exhaustion perks. Don't get accustomed to the crutch. Focus on getting better at looping, timing, and map awareness.

    Going for the saves you think you can't get away from are the ones you should go for. They teach you how to get better. You can't be afraid of not escaping when trying to get better at the game.

  • Gylfie Gylfie

    @EvilSerje said:

    Bro, when I just came to DbD, it was owerwhelming (even back then when life were simplier and not so many perks). But later it all come to some CRUCIAL points that you missing, fixing them would improve you greatly.

    Small example: after getting my 100th sacrifice I still couldn't get how it is possible to get survivor without bulldozing all pallets and in some loops. I started investigating and found.... ta-dam! Lounge attack! Didn't know about it before, but after that things got a lot easier.

    And there were many stages when I was struggling, and after certain personal "level up" progress went further.

    Basic "level-ups" for the killer, that improved my perfomance drastically:

    • Gens almost always more important than surivors. Denying certain gens and hitting everyone gives much more pressure than even downing one, go hook him and then start another chase. Gen could be done at the same time, because:
    • Always remember: if you don't bother survivor, he would most likely do gen. It's a law and you always keep that in mind. Learn to macroplay. That goes with next statement:
    • Your MAIN objective is denying survivors of their objective. Hooking and killing them is somewhat "byproduct" of your main objective. Hitting all 4 instead of downing one? Great, they will go heal instead of DOING GENS. You downed one, but see another one, go after him, third one will have to safe first one INSTEAD of DOING GENS. Etc.
    • Before recent patch, I would recommend to do all killers adepts, because I don't know better "training mode" to understand killer and how to harass survivors with him. But now they butchered the challenge (you need just kill all 4 no matter how). Nevertheless you could set this challenge for yourself: get at least 9 hooks, prolong match more than 10 minutes, chase everyone, don't allow majority of gens be done in the first minutes and not allow escape through exit gates.
    • Do not camp and tunnel (see statement 2). It will stunlock your skill on easy wins early on, but leave completely helpless against decent teams. If they win, well, gg, what of it. But you can retrospect the match and see what you did wrong and what you could do.
    • Just some things that come from experience: predict survivor movements, shortcut their paths in chase, get familliar with maps, know loops and simple mindgames (for example, how and when hide red stain in shack and what direction choose), zone survivors, etc. Good survivors could influence the match on macro, but in chase you are set the rules.
    • Watch some streamers on YT and their gameplay. Can get some ideas from them.
    • Most important thing: enjoy. Everyone escape? GG. What did you lose? Nothing. Killer role is the most fun and where you always play (comparing to either sit with holding M1 or dangling from a hook whole match). Don't play like salty sweatlord that cling to a single kill and render other players like archnemesis that crapped on your door and killed you hamster. You win? Let last surivor go. Or gift him hard achievement (like "Left for dead" or "Outbreak breakout"). You won't believe how many kind words you will see in endgame chat.

    Well, as for survivor...... I'm still struggling with it. Don't know how to improve anymore, you are really dependant on your team and killer playstyle. Most of the times you literally can't do anything. What I aquired yet:

    • first hit the most "problematic" gens. Gens on open areas, gens that close to each other, etc.
    • detect what killer you get and what playstyle he use. If he is camper/tunneler, nothing much you can do, unless the first target is god-looper.
    • do not chase around hooked survivor, also find a way to be annoying to draw attention from hook (like impudently doing gen near hooked survivor)
    • unfortunately, cannot use many perk builds if you don't want to die fast, survivor is hugely perk dependant. I think it is personal job to sift through perks and found ones that crucial for you. But one thing is for certain: Kindred is a MUST HAVE! Hands down. Helps not only you, but your team as well. My go to build is Kindred + CoH + SB + WoO/Distortion/Fogwise

    But really I don't know what more to say about survivors, it is very frustrating and boring experience. Maybe I'm missing some crucial thing, but didnt find it yet (I'm 2K hours)

    Thank you so much for taking the time to write that post, there was a lot of good advice in there! I will try out your tips and most of all I will try not to get disheartened the next time I play the game. 😊

  • Gylfie Gylfie

    @stonedcandle said:

    To get good at solo queue take off exhaustion perks. Don't get accustomed to the crutch. Focus on getting better at looping, timing, and map awareness.

    Going for the saves you think you can't get away from are the ones you should go for. They teach you how to get better. You can't be afraid of not escaping when trying to get better at the game.

    You are definitely right, but I'm also scared if I don't escape enough times, I will get stuck in the infamous 'mmr hell' people sometimes talk about. I'll try to go for more saves!

  • Gylfie Gylfie

    @MrPsych said:

    What's your stance on ranged killers? Maybe your killer experience will click more with killers like Huntress, Deathslinger, Trickster or get an hybrid of melee and ranged like Nemesis.

    I would argue that killer is probably the most accessible it's been right now, but matchmaking is thinking way too highly of you. I had a similar problem when I stopped playing for a year and came back: I'd get destroyed by about every group of survivors I'd face no matter what. But eventually I got put where I did belong and things finally got more manageable.

    And yeah I do get your survivor woes. Every time I play killer, I find that survivors can effortlessly waste my time around tiny loops and the likes, but the moment I try to do what the survivors do, I get downed within 10 seconds. I'd argue you don't need to be great at every aspect of survivor to have a good time at it, I'm happy just repairing gens and going for rescues with heal-ready builds. Even though you and I might not be great at chases, one good thing to remember is to try and lure the killer away from everyone and everything. Either you'll waste their time enough for a gen to pop or they'll half heartedly chase you to not give up on a good gen setup.

    I'll say plenty of good advice also got posted in here so feel free to digest everything slowly. Like about everything, the only way to get better at DBD is just to play it. Knowledge of the game also will serve you well, but nothing will beat actual experience.

    I used to love playing Deathslinger before he got nerfed, and Nemesis is one of my favorites as well. Maybe I should give them another try, especially Nemesis, I seem to have forgotten about him.

    Thanks for your advice and for your kind words!

  • Gylfie Gylfie

    @Xernoton said:

    If you want to get better, try and find out where your shortcomings lie. For example you could be great at positioning and decision making as a survivor but bad in chase. Once you know, you can try and practise these things. Take a chase and run a tile you don't feel comfortable of. Also, play both sides. As a killer you will see how other survivors play around different structures and as a survivor you will notice how other killers mindgame and prioritize.

    Don't worry about the game feeling hard on both sides. I'm pretty much in the same boat. DBD is a hard game in general. Just focus on having fun. Eventually you'll get better.

    As survivor, my chases are definitely my biggest shortcoming. I'll know what to do but I won't be able to actually pull it off most of the time.

    You're right about focusing on having fun, it's why I usually focus on my challenges. It's just that I've completed all of them and I'm waiting for new ones to come out, so winning or losing is all I have to focus on at the moment and it can get discouraging when all you do is lose.

  • Gylfie Gylfie

    @Veroles said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3369626#Comment_3369626

    We all have games which simply are cursed and sometimes, the whole day is a curse. Doing a break and come back after a while to a game you like is also a thing what gives something like a "fresh" start and fills up batteries.

    I think you're definitely right about some days just being worse than others. I had a good few games today for the first time in a while and I'm feeling good about it!

  • Gylfie Gylfie

    @HugTechLover said:

    I think there are a lot of people in that same boat, and that is ok. There is nothing wrong with that, as long as you have fun playing the game.

    I know killer can be pretty unfun if you aren’t great at the role.. I’ve got thousands of hours in killer and even I still have some games that push my buttons. Don’t even stress it.

    Thanks for your encouraging words. It feels good to know I'm not the only one who struggles sometimes.

  • Nos37 Nos37

    @HugTechLover said:

    I think there are a lot of people in that same boat, and that is ok. There is nothing wrong with that, as long as you have fun playing the game.

    I know killer can be pretty unfun if you aren’t great at the role.. I’ve got thousands of hours in killer and even I still have some games that push my buttons. Don’t even stress it.

    And as long as you're not posting ideas or commenting on balance, right..??

    That's what happens to me. I relate to the OP, and I'm in the same lose-lose boat, yet everyone shuts my ######### down if I say anything or complain.

  • Hex_Llama Hex_Llama

    I am also bad at both! I'm not even sure why -- I think it's a combo of slow reflexes, not playing first-person games very often, and the fact that I'd rather die than try to memorize the tiles. I'm a decent support player on a team, but you don't want me in chase.

  • bobateo bobateo

    To piggyback back a bit off of EvilSerje on survivor:

    • There are some really good videos on basic looping. They'll give you some basics to practice such as 'hugging' loops to gain max rotations before a pallet drop, tile running, and how to fast vault even tricky windows/angles. The biggest skill to focus on at first, IMO, is camera control.
    • Yes, gens are hugely important to get done, but taking a few seconds at the start to suss out the Killer and see if they are headed in your direction (lethal pursurer is a pretty popular perk) is something that I've found very useful in SoloQ. Denying a quick first chase is often better than a few seconds of gen time that's likely to get kicked back to nothing. You can also then sneak around to an area that the Killer has already patrolled and snag a gen that might be more important to get done.
    • In the first few seconds of the game, take a moment to take stock of where you're at on the map and what's around you - loops, LOS blockers,windows, and more. Do the same when you go to get on a gen so you can have an idea of where you want to go depending on what direction the Killer comes from.
    • As far as endgame saves, if you just want to practice, then shrug off that you might die. Consider it a victory if you get the other person out. However, definitely pick your battles if you're trying to practice successfully getting yourself and the other surv out. (ex: don't go for an unhook in the middle of the map when the doors haven't been touched and you know the Killer has NOED. I have seen this happen while hanging on said hook. 😥) If you fail, that's okay, just think about what happened and what you can do better next time. You might even get the bonus of a Killer who rewards not leaving the other person with a Hatch or door. It's rare, but it happens.

    .......Unless I have an escape challenge. If I have one of those, I'm yeeting myself out that door as soon as I can.

    • Finally, head on a swivel. This is part of camera control, but it truly surprises me how many survivors never look around when they are sitting on a gen or when they are running from one objective to the next, a Blight smacks them from seemingly out of nowhere. But had they been looking around, they might have seen him and been able to react.

    There's more when it comes to perks, individual Killers, etc, but the above, I think, can apply to any map or Killer. If you're playing SoloQ, well, it's a crap shot. That's just SoloQ.

  • Nazzzak Nazzzak

    You need to step outside your comfort zone. Don't go into games worrying about escaping or killing. Go into the games with the sole intention of gaining experience and building confidence. The rest will come naturally once you've achieved those.

  • PrincessCalla PrincessCalla

    @Nazzzak said:

    You need to step outside your comfort zone. Don't go into games worrying about escaping or killing. Go into the games with the sole intention of gaining experience and building confidence. The rest will come naturally once you've achieved those.

    This is good advice and this is how I got better. I just go in a match to play, and I not only won with one perk, but I got the most points. It was for a challenge for a character I never play.

    When I go in thinking I'm terrible, I play terrible ; ; Self fullfilling prophecy or something haha

  • HugTheHag HugTheHag

    I think a person with both arms broken might play better as survivor than I do, and I'm not a much better killer, so I feel you !

    I do have a lot of fun though, especially playing killer as I've found the legendary low skill niche where I can get a 4k with little trouble, but since I am a friendly killer at heart, I often let some of the survivors go and therefore cement my place in this niche. If none of the survs want a friendly game I'll generally 3 or 4k, but if a couple of them look fun or seem to want to just play around I'm very quick to turn off the killing machine and just meme with them.

    I'm lucky though that most of the people I encounter as killer are super well mannered ! =)

  • Phasmamain Phasmamain

    Honestly yeah

    Playing solo I usually die (which I’m fine with) because I don’t enjoy stealth and I prefer chases

    Playing killer I usually only get 1-2 kills because I’d rather not focus on defending gens as SM but using her power in chase alongside perks.

    But tbh I’m well past caring about winning and would rather just have a fun match

  • HoodedWildKard HoodedWildKard

    @Gylfie said:

    Lately I've been snooping around the forums and I've seen many back and forths between on the one hand, people who claim survivor is overpowered and easy, and on the other hand, people who claim killer is the easiest it's ever been to play. Oddly enough, I find myself agreeing with neither party.

    As killer it feels like I have to try super hard and perhaps tunnel and camp to get one kill, which isn't fun to do so I don't do it. I like to play fair because playing mean makes me feel bad. I'm hoping mmr will take me where I need to be but no luck so far as I still get mostly destroyed. In one game where it took me until the last gen was popped to get a hook, the survivors even asked if I had stopped trying. 🙃

    As survivor, I only play solo queue, mainly because I don't have any friends who play this game but also because I feel that alone and without communication is exactly how this game was meant to be played in the first place. I wouldn't say I'm bad, as I have the general game sense to try and not 3-gen my team and I know what needs to happen at what point of the game, but I'm also not good. I can't play without Windows because I would go down in ten seconds, I miss my Dead Hard 70% of the time, I'm too scared to go for end-game saves because I know I don't have the skill to unhook and make it out alive, ...

    So I find myself in this odd position where I think killer is too difficult to play yet I also die constantly in solo queue. You'd think I would find at least one of the two roles easy to play, because if killer is hard, survivor must be easy and vice versa. It's starting to dawn on me that I might just be bad at both roles.

    I'm not sure what I would like to achieve with this discussion, I think I just wanted to get my point of view out there and see if perhaps anyone else feels this way too. And maybe obtain some advice on how to perform better?

    It's a familiar feeling. Killer is 0 to 100 as far as matchmaking goes. Early games are so easy you'll ramp your mmr up extremely fast and start playing sweat squads.

    Survivor is just difficult in general, you need to be extremely good to really give a killer trouble unless you have a very strong swf backing you up.

    Low mmr surv and high mmr killer are both very hard to deal with. For killer my advice is focus on one or two that fit your playstyle and get good with them. Maybe one with antiloop or good stealth skills to help you in chase.

    Surv, maybe watch youtube tutorials on looping and chase running. It's a hard roll to play well, also find a decent swf to play with. Makes the experience more enjoyable and team mates on comms will always be more useful than a randumb who is either useless or so high strung that they DC the second they see a misplay or get downed.

  • Katzengott Katzengott

    Acknowledging that ON BOTH SIDES is the first step to improve.

    Which makes you already better than the majority of the playerbase. @Gylfie

  • Gylfie Gylfie

    @Katzengott said:

    Acknowledging that ON BOTH SIDES is the first step to improve.

    Which makes you already better than the majority of the playerbase. @Gylfie

    Haha, thank you! Admitting you suck is the first step towards getting better, I suppose!

  • Gylfie Gylfie

    @Phasmamain said:

    Honestly yeah

    Playing solo I usually die (which I’m fine with) because I don’t enjoy stealth and I prefer chases

    Playing killer I usually only get 1-2 kills because I’d rather not focus on defending gens as SM but using her power in chase alongside perks.

    But tbh I’m well past caring about winning and would rather just have a fun match

    It honestly reassures me that someone like you, whom I see post often on these forums and can't but assume is an experienced player, can relate to what I'm feeling. Thanks for that. :)

  • Gylfie Gylfie

    @Nazzzak said:

    You need to step outside your comfort zone. Don't go into games worrying about escaping or killing. Go into the games with the sole intention of gaining experience and building confidence. The rest will come naturally once you've achieved those.

    I try but it's so easy to get caught up in trying to win. Thanks for the advice!

  • Gylfie Gylfie

    @bobateo said:

    To piggyback back a bit off of EvilSerje on survivor:

    • There are some really good videos on basic looping. They'll give you some basics to practice such as 'hugging' loops to gain max rotations before a pallet drop, tile running, and how to fast vault even tricky windows/angles. The biggest skill to focus on at first, IMO, is camera control.
    • Yes, gens are hugely important to get done, but taking a few seconds at the start to suss out the Killer and see if they are headed in your direction (lethal pursurer is a pretty popular perk) is something that I've found very useful in SoloQ. Denying a quick first chase is often better than a few seconds of gen time that's likely to get kicked back to nothing. You can also then sneak around to an area that the Killer has already patrolled and snag a gen that might be more important to get done.
    • In the first few seconds of the game, take a moment to take stock of where you're at on the map and what's around you - loops, LOS blockers,windows, and more. Do the same when you go to get on a gen so you can have an idea of where you want to go depending on what direction the Killer comes from.
    • As far as endgame saves, if you just want to practice, then shrug off that you might die. Consider it a victory if you get the other person out. However, definitely pick your battles if you're trying to practice successfully getting yourself and the other surv out. (ex: don't go for an unhook in the middle of the map when the doors haven't been touched and you know the Killer has NOED. I have seen this happen while hanging on said hook. 😥) If you fail, that's okay, just think about what happened and what you can do better next time. You might even get the bonus of a Killer who rewards not leaving the other person with a Hatch or door. It's rare, but it happens.

    .......Unless I have an escape challenge. If I have one of those, I'm yeeting myself out that door as soon as I can.

    • Finally, head on a swivel. This is part of camera control, but it truly surprises me how many survivors never look around when they are sitting on a gen or when they are running from one objective to the next, a Blight smacks them from seemingly out of nowhere. But had they been looking around, they might have seen him and been able to react.

    There's more when it comes to perks, individual Killers, etc, but the above, I think, can apply to any map or Killer. If you're playing SoloQ, well, it's a crap shot. That's just SoloQ.

    Thanks so much for taking the time to add these tips! It's honestly heart-warming everyone is being so helpful. 😊

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