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Billy vs Spirit. Who's better?

thisrandomguy thisrandomguy
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I would like to hear what people will say and why they pick who they pick.

Who do you think and why?

(Edit to explain my reasoning)

I would say that I can see an arguement for both but I'm edging more towards Billy.

Mainly because he punishes the survivor harder and his punishments arent as severe as spirit.

He has the normal killer stats.

115% speed

32m terror radius

But his power allows him to have more map pressure than the spirit and he can use it continuously instead of having to wait for a cooldown. He doesnt have a time limit for how long he can usethe chainsaw. And he can insta down.


However he does suffer harder than spirit while getting looped but he isnt hopeless. He has a few tricks

Curves

When he curves he has a chance of instant downing the survivor depending on their position and can be rewarding when done right.

Chainsaw flickering ( idk what people call it these days)

He can rev up his chainsaw for a split second and trick the survivor to thinking hes going to attempt to chainsaw the pallet when he can instead put it straight back down and get a free hit if the survivor falls for it.

He can also force the survivor to make a choice depending on the loop they're in. He can rev his chainsaw and force the survivor to make 2 decisions, either stay at the pallet or run to another loop

If they choose to stay he can chainsaw the pallet and attempt to down the survivor. Or if the survivor runs away he can chainsaw towards the survivor.

His weaknesses are strong loops and windows that prevent him from doing tricks.

And a team that is very good and knows how to counter killers

Spirit has a great power that allows her to mindgame her opponents. That's great. But she can also use it for mobility.

The main problem is when she fails she gets punished heavily for it. She has a 110% movement speed and when she fails to mindgame her chase she has to wait for the cooldown of her power for an x amount of time. During that time she has to find the survivor or leave the chase. Which both makes her waste time. If she finds the survivor she has to catch up to it with her 110% speed. Where I see her shining better than Billy is through her addons.

Her prayer beads (if that's what it's called i kinda forgot) allows her to completely destroy a team if she plays well.

That being said let's have a civil discussion and nothing heated. Again I see an arguement for both and I switch time to time from who's stronger

EDIT: This was an old post and my opinions have changed overtime. Idk how this got back up but whatever. Spirit is better than billy esp now that hes gotten nerfed but i wont go into details not rlly feeling it atm

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  • PoisonN PoisonN

    Spirit can't be looped, Billy can. Spirit is unpredictable and Billy depends of survivors mistakes. Spirit by herself is a mind game, you can't tell where from she is coming no matter iron will or quick and quite you're using

    By far the second best killer in the game

  • Marcus Marcus

    @PickCollins said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/625486#Comment_625486

    I'd like to see that statistic that shows 90% of Surviviors like to play against Billy more than Spirit.

    I play both sides and Spirit is far easier to take advantage of than Billy.

    Tomorrow I might make a thread where I ask everyone who they find easier to verse between these 2, if I will remember about it. But right now, survivors mains who I know call Spirit harder to verse.

  • PoisonN PoisonN

    @PickCollins said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/625382#Comment_625382

    So what? You mess up against Spirit you get hit. You mess up against Billy and u get hooked. There's a massive difference.

    Billy and Spirit have been locked in this "who is better" war ever since Spirit got buffed. She's easier to loop than Billy is, since you have promised ways to force her to drop her power, which turns her into a 110 killer. Like I said before she cannot brute Force through a chase. She needs her power. Conversely Billy's is a luxury. Now that wouldn't be an issue if Spirits power had 100% no counterplay. But considering something as simple as vaulting a remotely safe window destroys her phasing entirely, I'd say it's an issue. You have a far easier time against Spirit than you do against Billy. That's not saying Spirit is a bad killer. But that IS saying she's not superior to Billy.

    SPIRIT easy to loop?


    Yikes my dude

  • Liruliniel Liruliniel

    @PickCollins said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/625486#Comment_625486

    I'd like to see that statistic that shows 90% of Surviviors like to play against Billy more than Spirit.

    I play both sides and Spirit is far easier to take advantage of than Billy.


    Billy's only real asset his his map pressure and Instadown. Any mediocre survivor can make a Billy miss his chainsaw. Your curving aspect sadly works as well as Huntress in a straight line. Again any mediocre Survivor can dodge it. Baiting a Billy is not hard or even challenging. You dont need statistics to see the fact more people DC against a Spirit then a Billy. If you really play both sides then you knew this already and either are hoping your argument will change people's minds.

    Problem is without Perks and Addons Spirit is superior. She has a higher skill cealing then Billy will ever have. Leaning on the fact that Billy has 115 ms and a instadown wont give you much room.

    With Perks and Addons she can be superior to Billy as well. She can have a build that can easily take a survivor down within seconds. Not Billy's instadown speed well at least without perks.

    Problem for Billy is he is simple and straight forward in his design which leaves a lot of room for counterplay. Yes a good Billy will shine and do amazing, but a good Spirit will outdo a Billy. You keep mentioning her power cool down, but funny thing is. I have been playing her since release and I dont run power duration or recovery and have never had a problem with her power and downing someone.

    The simple thing is Spirit has a higher skill cealing then Billy. Yes Billy is well rounded and can do the job, but a good Spirit will keep learning new tricks and new strategies to improve due to her vastly higher skill cealing. You act like looping a Spirit is a common and easy thing yet almost everyone in this thread disagrees. Billy is easier to loop and deal with then a Spirit anyday. You could honestly flesh out all the Tips and Tricks for each of these two killers. Billy's if he is lucky will be a full page and a half. Spirit will have a full blown essay and still be missing stuff.

    TLDR: Billy's Skill Cealing is Quicker to reach then Spirits Skill Cealing. Billy can Carry you where's Spirit is only good as the person playing her.

  • Hex_Devour_Meg Hex_Devour_Meg

    Spirit is definitely better, but I enjoy Billy’s gameplay a lot more on both sides.

  • Zertix Zertix

    @Liruliniel said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/625541#Comment_625541

    Billy's only real asset his his map pressure and Instadown. Any mediocre survivor can make a Billy miss his chainsaw. Your curving aspect sadly works as well as Huntress in a straight line. Again any mediocre Survivor can dodge it. Baiting a Billy is not hard or even challenging. You dont need statistics to see the fact more people DC against a Spirit then a Billy. If you really play both sides then you knew this already and either are hoping your argument will change people's minds.

    Problem is without Perks and Addons Spirit is superior. She has a higher skill cealing then Billy will ever have. Leaning on the fact that Billy has 115 ms and a instadown wont give you much room.

    With Perks and Addons she can be superior to Billy as well. She can have a build that can easily take a survivor down within seconds. Not Billy's instadown speed well at least without perks.

    Problem for Billy is he is simple and straight forward in his design which leaves a lot of room for counterplay. Yes a good Billy will shine and do amazing, but a good Spirit will outdo a Billy. You keep mentioning her power cool down, but funny thing is. I have been playing her since release and I dont run power duration or recovery and have never had a problem with her power and downing someone.

    The simple thing is Spirit has a higher skill cealing then Billy. Yes Billy is well rounded and can do the job, but a good Spirit will keep learning new tricks and new strategies to improve due to her vastly higher skill cealing. You act like looping a Spirit is a common and easy thing yet almost everyone in this thread disagrees. Billy is easier to loop and deal with then a Spirit anyday. You could honestly flesh out all the Tips and Tricks for each of these two killers. Billy's if he is lucky will be a full page and a half. Spirit will have a full blown essay and still be missing stuff.

    TLDR: Billy's Skill Cealing is Quicker to reach then Spirits Skill Cealing. Billy can Carry you where's Spirit is only good as the person playing her.

    A mediocre hillbilly is as good as any other m1 killer, but with high mobility. A great hillbilly on the other hand is a different story. He is the one baiting mistakes, not the other way around.

    A lot of people DC against spirit because she has little to no counter play while hillbilly is fair. People DCed against old legion more than spirit and nurse combined but still that does not mean he is stronger. 

    Spirit is better than hillbilly in chase potential while hillbilly excels in every other aspect. He is also not helpless in a chase, even against the best survivors. The only way to stay safe is by dropping pallets like a potato. He has the potential to creat dead zones very quickly meaning that he is more dangerous as the time passes. 

    Whether spirit or hillbilly is better, the difference between them is not significant if you look at the whole picture and not only chase potential.

  • Roobnus Roobnus

    Billy > Entity > the rest

  • Bobo Bobo

    Billy, spirit have more counterplays, she is slower, easier to counterplay.

  • Just_Playing Just_Playing

    Spirit because she can do something against pallets. Billy has only his mobility and a one hit but he isn't that strong if you know too play against.

  • keepcamping keepcamping

    @Aven_Fallen said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/623250#Comment_623250

    I did not say that Billy is easily loopable. He is the best M1-Killer/115% MS Killer, but this is not because of his Chasing Potential (even Clown has a higher), it is his insane Map Pressure and Mobility, as well as the Instadown.

    While it is true, that you can simply leave Loops where the Spirit tries to mindgame(even though I think her Mindgames are unfair - it is a Mindgame for herself, but a Guessing game for the Survivor), when the Survivor leaves the Loop, Spirit can simply Phasewalk. And if the Survivor does not have Iron Will, it is very, very hard to get away. I mean, the fact that you need to equip a Perk to have a (higher) chance vs Spirit speaks for itself, you would not need to equip any Perks for Billy, because you have plenty of Defenses on the Map vs him.

    Lol what crack pipe are u smoking lol no way in hell is clown a better anti loop killer lol just drop the pallet early and there u beat the clown

  • keepcamping keepcamping

    @Aven_Fallen said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/623250#Comment_623250

    I did not say that Billy is easily loopable. He is the best M1-Killer/115% MS Killer, but this is not because of his Chasing Potential (even Clown has a higher), it is his insane Map Pressure and Mobility, as well as the Instadown.

    While it is true, that you can simply leave Loops where the Spirit tries to mindgame(even though I think her Mindgames are unfair - it is a Mindgame for herself, but a Guessing game for the Survivor), when the Survivor leaves the Loop, Spirit can simply Phasewalk. And if the Survivor does not have Iron Will, it is very, very hard to get away. I mean, the fact that you need to equip a Perk to have a (higher) chance vs Spirit speaks for itself, you would not need to equip any Perks for Billy, because you have plenty of Defenses on the Map vs him.

    Lol put the weed pipe down bro no way in hell is clown better than billy at Anti loop lol just drop the pallet early and simple as that u beat the clown

  • keepcamping keepcamping

    @Marcus said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/623753#Comment_623753

    Iron Will doesn't hard counter her, footsteps, breathing, collision, Stridor all help Spirit against Iron Will. Hard counter would mean she can't do anything about it, which isn't the case.

    Billy is again hard countered by Lery's and Haddonfield offerings.

    Haddonfield is Spirit's worst map, but yet, Spirit mains stil don't DC and they still 4k with 32k BP against multiple Iron Will users there, while some of Billy mains DC on Haddonfield, Lery's and Ormond, and if you have the urge to DC just because you got that map, that says something about the strength of that killer. Lery's is good for Spirit because small map + louder footsteps which makes Iron Will less effective + almost every loop being dead zone against Spirit + almost every window having an entrance besides them.

    Billy doesn't force survivors to drop pallets earlier, stop living in dreams. Good survivors bait pallets and make extra loops and use windows and that delay his Spirit Fury. Billy doesn't break pallets instantly unless survivors drop the pallet when he is charging his chainsaw, which can be avoided. Otherwise, os not worth charging your chainsaw to break the pallet.

    Windows aren't any stronger against Spirit unless we are talking about the bullshit ones from Ironworks of Misery and other #########, which are also as strong against Billy and any killer other than Nurse and somewhat Hag.

    If the survivor gets caught in open against Billy, that survivor is probably stupid or plays on Rotten Fields.

    "Billy is just better, that's how it is". I just LOLed. 90% of Billy mains I know told me that Billy is weaker than Spirit. Literally any person playing Billy somewhat constantly in high ranks thinks Spirit is stronger than him. Apparently, even Billy mains can't see how good Billy is, I wonder why ? The most funny thing is that almost any person claiming Billy is better than Spirit, doesn't play Billy enough in high ranks, because once they do, they change their mind 😁.

    lol billy is anything but map-dependent lol I fact I’d say billy good in Haddonfield field becuase if the survivors are running through the little white wall that’s a guaranteed instadown huntress is map dependent

  • keepcamping keepcamping

    @Marcus said:

    Spirit for more reasons :

    1 Better chase potential.

    2 Better add-ons.

    3 Even Billy mains says about Spirit being better than him.

    4 You need specific perks to counter Spirit, but you don't need anything to counter Billy.

    5 Less map dependent.

    Lol billy has No bad maps ur just bad billy

  • keepcamping keepcamping

    @Marcus said:

    I actually think that even Hag is better than Billy against teams without flashlights and/or Object of Obsession. And OoO will become less used after they add the new status effects for stealth killers and for flashlights you have Franklin's Demise, so ...

    Lol hag sucks against survivors friends they would just snap her traps and gen rush her into her oblivion billy is hands down better than hag even after his nerf

  • keepcamping keepcamping

    @Bravo0413 said:

    Billy..... I love Rin but Billy is stronger.... if you come across a survivor on an unsafe gen there is no chase to be had, even in situations where the survivor is at a loop if you make the right read you get a 1 shot and the chase is over.... and as op pointed out Billy has no cooldown and is punished less for using the chainsaw...where if you make the wrong read as Rin you could shoot yourself in the opposite direction of the survivor and be on cooldown.... rin has less map mobility, where she is the princess of are loops, she owns the survivors at loops because mind games and such.... Everywhere else shes B tier...

    Lol while I do agree billy has better map pressure... I’m a p3 billy... lol even i say spirit is better than billy lol even all the billy mains with thousand of hours on billy tofu say sprit is stronger just becuase she completely counters looping yes she has bad map pressure and mobility but who needs that when u can end chases in quick succession and hook them and make the other survivors go unhook them lol spirits just completely negates looping like nurse

  • NekoGamerX NekoGamerX

    most likely Spirit she got more thread on her then any killer.

  • keepcamping keepcamping

    @Marcus said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/623250#Comment_623250

    Billy is top tier because he has mobility and punish survivors mistakes like no one else, but even Billy mains with thousand of hours said that good survivors will loop him like a mad lad. And how is Spirit more exploitable when I know Billy mains who would DC any day on Hadnofun and Lery's, while I didn't met a single Spirit to DC because of a bad map ?

    They where prolly just bad Billy’s if ur a good billy like me He’s good on those maps u can still apply pressure and instadown in indoor maps

  • keepcamping keepcamping

    @PickCollins said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/623264#Comment_623264

    "Billy is top tier because of his mobility and punish game".

    Yes that's why he's widely consider an easy killer. He capitalizes on small errors a ton.

    "but even Billy mains with thousand of hours said that good survivors will loop him like a mad lad."

    Nurse mains will tell you that good Surviviors will juke her like mad. Spirit mains will tell you good Surviviors outplay her like mad. I don't see your point in saying this.

    "And how is Spirit more exploitable when I know Billy mains who would DC any day on Hadnofun and Lery's, while I didn't met a single Spirit to DC because of a bad map ?"

    Ok by that logic how is Nurse broken bc I know Nurse mains who will DC on Coldwind maps. Spirit is more exploitable bc she flubs her power once and she's a 110 killer for a while during the chase. Billy flubs a chainsaw and he still has it ready to use and is a 115 killer making him faster at base.

    lol huntress is map dependent billy is not

  • batax90 batax90

    Spirit is superior by far she is better in every aspect and she have better addon

  • Squirrel_Thicc Squirrel_Thicc

    Nurse

  • DontNerf DontNerf

    Between spirit and billy theres no question that spirit is far more powerful than angry chainsaw redneck. Billy isnt even i the top 3 anymore

  • gibblywibblywoo gibblywibblywoo

    @thisrandomguy said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/622612#Comment_622612

    Really? They shine when she phase walks? I didn't even know that lol

    It can only be seen on certain outfits within 8eters or so. Its not an proper tell.

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