No battlepass on my game
Please no. No. Absolutely no. I wont tolerate anything like this. No. Please no.
Please no. No. Absolutely no. I wont tolerate anything like this. No. Please no.
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Actually no, because if they did that they would hemorrhage money like crazy. If they want to give out something for free they need some sort of revenue stream to offset that.
Have you ever actually tried to run a business? If you did you'd see how dumb these complaints actually are.
@Freudentrauma Have an upvote for a brilliant comment.
The fear of missing out is a powerful psychological trigger to get people to spend more money and here we have people who welcome it with open arms.
@Orion
Holding hostage is a bit of a stretch, but as for laws being broken...
They're currently being written and bills are being submitted to various governments. While the focus is on loot boxes and "gambling" the other part of those bills talk about "predatory micro-transactions" which a battle pass can fall under depending on how it's designed and which players are affected such as younger children.
In the end it will depend on if the laws being written will encompass battle passes or not in the future.
First off mentally handicap people in the USA have the same rights as everyone else which includes purchasing firearms and it is the unstable persons fault if they use it.
Secondly there is already a reward for grinding in the form of shards that you can purchase skins, non licensed DLC, perks and shards from the shrine. If you are against battle passes then why don't you have a problem with shards. And were do you get that there is a powerful psychological trigger, many people in this game and most multiplayer games can't even finish a match without disconnecting for stupid reasons. That's why must games have to put bans and timeouts in the game to keep people from DCing. I personally prefer using shards though.
It's fun man. Many people are goal oriented so a battle pass gives them something to work towards. Just having everything handed to you is boring. People think they want everything in games for no effort, but when its effortless then no one wants to play anymore. Could they do it for free? Sure but you can stretch that logic to many things people pay for that no one complains about.
It's just for costumes right?
You're missing the point, its a CORPORATE MOVE on players that are willing to just throw money away for exclusive skins. For the rest of us that don't have money to empty out of our bank accounts, we don't want to buy a battlepass or go through artificial panic for limited time skins that we want but don't have flexible income to spend.
It doesn't matter if its "F R E E guys its F R E E" Its a clear move from any game company to gather more money from its player base. I thought of all people you'd see this, but I guess not.
Yes, the battlepass is optional, but that doesn't mean ANYTHING. The same can be said to a alcoholic "Bro its just optional to do, you don't have to drink. its as simple as just stopping right now!" you realize there are mentally ill people that go through this as well right? People waste tons of money on stuff like this and can't even help themselves... Its just praying on the weak minded.
This mindset is just normalizing something that we don't need right now. The game needs fixes to its audio, game-play, and various other issues many people have addressed. A battlepass shouldn't be on anyones radar right now...
So if you don't have the money to purchase a skin or DLC nobody else should be able to buy it?
If they have a special event with limited time skins and you don't have time to participate then nobody should be able to participate and get the skins?
No, the fact you're pressured INTO buying a limited time skin on a battle pass when you don't want to spend money is bad.
I never said people who don't have money who can't get limited time skins should also have everyone else not be able to get it, if you want to throw your money away than go right ahead its your money. But making others go through a panic because a skin they want will be gone soon is a no, no. And supporting it is exactly what they want you to do.
@FireHazard I don't really understand the pressured part if you would explain It that would be helpful to me. And I personally prefer the shard system.
@Donnyc Lets say there's a skin you want, we'll make one up the "Jason Vorhees skin" for Myers. (Made up btw) and that skin was on the battlepass for a limited time, but you don't HAVE the premium battlepass... BUT you want the skin, you're then put into this state of pressure where you could miss out on a skin you want if you don't fork over the money. (The skins gone forever btw, its for this limited time)
That's why I call it "Artificial panic" its a scenario where you never cared for the battlepass before but suddenly there's a skin you really like that's on there... but you have to say spend "20$" for example to get the "Premium Pass" (The amount of money I used in this example is also made up)
I ask you, why would anyone support this business practice that (games I sadly can't reference for example) are doing to gain more money out of their consumers. Its shady if you ask me, and it amazes me anyone in the gaming community supports this...
No one put a gun to your head and said "buy this".
If you make compulsive and bad choices, that's on YOU. No one else.
Yeah, it is on you if you do that. But praying on the weak minded isn't justified either now is it?
@FireHazard Thank you for the explanation and I agree that would not be good.
Dude every company tries to sell you stuff and make it shiny and appealing. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.
What exactly is predatory about offering a battle pass? You want to argue people are victims when the truth is they can't control their behavior.
Take responsibility for yourself. Stop playing victim. It's not the casino's fault you blow your entire paycheck there every week.
It just is not acceptable, ¿how can you put a battle pass in a pay game?
A Battle pass would hurt the ppl that dont have much time to play depending on what the challenges are and how different it'll make people play to meet the requirements for the "to do list" it'll give you and if it expires what would happen to the cosmetics or rewards you couln't get cause some people didn't have the time to play. It'd have been a waste of money and they would have missed out on something they would have wanted.
If you have to play both sides, some people don't want to play both sides just look at the Halloween event where people played not as intended ruined que times cause even after that requirement was lifted survivors could get the vials faster and when they got it full they'd suicide to the hook.
IMO instead of making a battle pass which is a free to play games feature for those game to make money cause they are free, they should address balance issues, the shards grind (because you get them at a snails pace) for cosmetics and the grind in the blood web while still selling the over priced (imo) cosmetics they are doing now because if I can go off what i've seen from other games with battles passes, all it would do is give exclusivity to the people that play more than people that dont have the time to grind in dbd that want the battle pass rewards.
I didn't organize i just put down some issues i see coming with this and my personal opinion on it. They could do it right but i don't have faith that they will.
First, I see no reason why we would have to compare a video game business model, which might be implemented by a Kanadian studio for their internatiol audience with US weapon law.
Second the shards system is different by not beeing artifical limited. Battlepasses are designed to urge a person to grind for a limited time, the free/premium pass is designed to always show you what you miss out to urge you to buy it, etc. The main difference is control. You aren't wrong that the current shard/cells system is quite similar. But it's more an argument against Battle passes, because we already have a system, which rewards player spent time while providing an additional way to pay. And it's better, because it doesn't artifical limit things. There is no reason for you to fear, when you don't have time to play the game or are not in the mood, that you might miss out or waste money. Just because they kinda convinced you to pay you for something which urges you to play.
I like the shards/cells system in general, because it's an honest system in the sense, that you see know, what you can buy how and how much. What is premium only and there is no urgency. So why do we need something, that is basicly worse for the consumer?
@Freudentrauma that gun law was a response to a another post and is irrelevant, I also prefer the Shard/Cell system. I think they are trying to make the reward system more visible with quicker rewards to help with the DCing problem. That is just a guess
Or you could spend $10 on 1 outfit instead of getting 2-3 for probably the same price by just playing the game? Or if its premium, you still get $20-$30 worth of free cosmetics and if you don't like them, don't buy the premium pass.
They are still keeping the old version in. Just adding more ways to get stuff without wasting shards or buying Auric Cells.
If they actually put effort into the cosmetics sure who cares; but we should be able to just flat out buy them as well..but the incentive is to get the pass and earn more cosmetics for a lower price than buying them all flat out. But the odds are it would be garbo recolors
For something to be considered moral/immoral requires whatever is in question to affect all humans equally. Murder as an example is morally reprehensible because it can affect all humans equally.
When an outlier is affected do to its own choices it is not a moral issue. You could make this argument for absolutely anything. A blender could be labeled an immoral product because somewhere on earth is a mentally unstable person who will intentionally stick their fingers in said blender to harm themselves.
The hook is out there, with bait and all.
It's your choice if you bite it or not.
I wouldn't say murder affects all humans equally.
If a murderer attacked one person and this person had no relation to you whatsoever and you had no knowledge of this person's existence, the effect would be less for you than it would be for that person's immediate family.
Older people are consistently taken advantage of by scammers of various types because they don't know they're being taken advantage of.
Is it the fault of the older people not knowing better? Maybe, but the morality lies in the scammer's choice to take advantage of that lack of knowledge.
It's a stretch, but the same can be said for battle passes and similar micro transactions.
If rewards truly get tied to ranks, the killer roaster needs an update and we either need a solo queue and a dynamic/group queue.
So long rank was only a method to match similar skilled players with each other it was fine (besides swfs get match with their average, that's bs).
But the moment something of value can be achieved by playing the game SWFs having an advantage to achieve the objectives over solo players. 2-8% according to the stats provided by you.
Letting them having an advantage is the same like punishing solos.
SWFs would get a discount on all the achievements about 2-8%
That's objectively unfair to all the solo players.
Yes, but if you and I are murdered we both endure the negative effect of being dead. If you and I both purchase a battle pass the outcome is not assured to be the same, particularly negative.
I purchase the DOTA2 International battle pass every year and spend hundreds of dollars on various cosmetics tied to it. For me it's a good investment because I love the game and I get my money's worth in enjoyment. For others the idea is insane.
I will say though, for DBD, the cosmetics are simply not as relevant to where I would spend that money.