What if we don't punish killers for playing?
What if we don't punish killers for playing?
What if, instead of constant nerfs and reductions in tactics, we start rewarding killers?
for example, do not punish the camp (which will absolutely be used by the survivors to attack)
go from the opposite
for example, if the killer is not within a radius 16 meters of hook, then the survivor dies faster
and suddenly the killer gets more pressure from the hook and at the same time gets an incentive not to camp
Try to give a gingerbread instead of a whip
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They teased something about BBQ during the stream, but didn´t follow up on it.
I mean, pre nerf BBQ was the incentive to leave the hook back then. I still wonder why they thought it would be a good idea to remove it. But here we are.
This idea is awful. Just let people play the game as they want. I guess gen rush which is boring for killers will also be punished? Or will they just target one side?
To be fair, these face camp changes, as they are, just encourage bleedouts.
Sorry, my dear, didn't experience that in my 1.5K hours. Maybe instead of camping I was being busy with other two survivors? Yeah, I'm a disgrace to killers... :(
I don't have high hopes. Did you see how terrible the mori PTB was? BHVR didn't even try to balance the PTB, they just released it in the most awful way for both sides. Survivors were abusing troll builds to prevent killers from hooking them, and killers were making 20+ minute long games where they "challenged themselves" to see if they could trigger the new mori when all 4 survivors were still alive.
So in 1.5k hours you've never had any survivor rush the hook the moment you hook a survivor? Yeah I ain't buying that for half a second.
i'd add by saying monstrous should be basekit, and there should be a "reverse" monstrous effect if the killer is in close proximity, heavily slowing down the hook stage timer instead of self unhook. or maybe survivor gets to unhook themselves if the killer is there for way too long.
you can't really incentivize ppl to not camp since it most of the time is a free win for the killer esp if they are playing bubba huntress trickster or any killer with stbfl.
Why are people acting like killers not in a strong spot right now? Why are people actually defending face-camping? It’s bad game design and has no place in a party game.
Which this fix is going to address?? Did you not watch or see the livestream highlights? If survivors are rushing the hook, the timer doesn’t pause for nearly as long. Do you enjoy staring at a survivor for a minute straight after you hooked them?
no. absolutely not. In 10 games i may play 1 game against a competent team we don't need to punish solo's anymore. Frankly I am sick to death of crushing solo q potatoes.
Well, it's fair in your opinion that survivors can get like 70 seconds shaved from a gen from nothing? It's the same thing. Surv can remove 70 seconds from gens only because they bring toolboxes, prove thyself and BNP. They don't find them in matches, they find them in the bloodweb. Is it fair in your opinion? In my opinion it isn't fair. Imagine a killer that can bring a combo of perks and add ons that remove 90% of the hook timer, survs will complain about it and they will be right, because something that speed up your objective this much without 0 effort is broken and should be removed. Same with genrush, survs can remove like 70 seconds from a gen with nothing.
Devs don't understand that if you punish a strategy, people will still do that strategy because it's the more efficient. See with tunneling, they tried to add anti-tunneling mechanics, however tunneling is becoming worse everyday because it's the only strategy allowed against strong SWF. Devs aren't giving anything to killer, they're not saying "Oh, if the killer don't tunnel gen go slower, because a surv who got hooked is slower on a gen" (this is an example). If you don't reward me for trying to play fair, why should I play fair and not efficiently? Survivors seems to play to escape, not to have fun or to make the killer have fun, because if they cared about it they wouldn't run full genrush/bully builds every match. Do you understand my point?
Weren’t killers already doing that too? Lol.
Even with BBQ people were still camping. It was still a better path to victory (3v1) than actually hunting down other survivors.
Just to be clear, it's because I don't camp that I worry about it. 16 meters is an enormous area around the hook being basically forbidden for killers. It should be way shorter like maybe 10 meters max.
But not as many people as they do now.
Complaints about camping spiked after the nerf.
Meh, people wanted that nerf, now they can enjoy it.
16 meters is the opposite of enormous. Killers will 100% just start standing at 16 meters and pick people off running in
Funny how the survivors don't understand he will let ya off the hook and chain saw them down right away.