Can any good main killer help me? don't know what im doing wrong

Lima24927

Ok so i will make it short, i have around 40 hours player give or take, like around 30 as killer, i got many many 4Ks before with most killers, i tried almost all killers to see what playstyle fits me best, i have more success with Nemesis, the huntress or the doctor, my main problem now is that i'm not fast enough downing survivors and while im chasing one, the others are working like crazy on gens and by the time i get my first hook i usually already lost 1-2 gens, and if the survivor is really good i might take forever and not be able to kill him at all, i beleive i won too many killers games now i have a "high mmr" ?im getting a lot of organized super toxic SWF where i don't stand a chance at all, but every time i play im learning from my mistakes and im learning what they do and how they behave, how do i control the territory or what would be the best strat to slow down the gens? perks ? i know about most meta perks, i've been watching streamers and guides about chasing, looping etc, but still i feel underpower against very strong SWF, i know nemesis is classified as a "B" class killer ? but im nowhere good to run a nurse or blight, any tips for me ? or any streamers for me to watch ? only one i watch mostly is otzdarva but the gameplay is too fast paced and he knows all maps and stuff so its more a showcase than a teaching guide ?

Lima24927

appreciate any help

Yankus

Corrupt Intervention is probably your best bet to slow down early game gens if you find yourself losing several gens early on really quickly. Plague perk.

Lima24927

@Yankus said:

Corrupt Intervention is probably your best bet to slow down early game gens if you find yourself losing several gens early on really quickly. Plague perk.

yeah i got all killers, i see a lot running corrupt intervention, but what to do after that, rush the blocked gens to try and down a survivor ? what would be the "goal" , like 1 - 2 - 3 hooks while corrupt intervention is active ? because it only procs once right ?

lauraa

there is plenty of advice that could be given, but i think the most important thing i can say is this is just how dbd is sometimes. You could play Nurse with the best perks and addons and still get crushed so dont sweat it too much and play for fun

eaebree

Corrupt deadlock no way out will give you some time to do chases in early mid and end game other than that keep practicing

Vaimore

You're not doing anything wrong. Behav don't want killer mains around their game. In their last patch to update Legion and Ghostface they tampered with the sounds effects so killers have a harder time hearing from which direction sounds come from. Secondly gen speeds are insane. You do realize that there literally isn't anything you can do other than get lucky with a game where the odds aren't stacked against you. Everything from multi-survivor perk stacks, to 100 pallets a map and so on are all against you. This isn't even mentioning how discord and team speak will ruin a game when you get a lobby of hacking survivor friends for an entire day until you hate yourself enough to never play this ######### game again, there are other things as well.

its brutally easy to play survivor you almost need no real perks to get out. You get a free hatch at end of game and and simply wait for everyone else to die if you want out ( since the devs cause the hatch to SPAWN on the last survivor).

Behav. Fix your ######### game.

GoodBoyKaru

@Vaimore said:

You're not doing anything wrong. Behav don't want killer mains around their game. In their last patch to update Legion and Ghostface they tampered with the sounds effects so killers have a harder time hearing from which direction sounds come from. Secondly gen speeds are insane. You do realize that there literally isn't anything you can do other than get lucky with a game where the odds aren't stacked against you. Everything from multi-survivor perk stacks, to 100 pallets a map and so on are all against you. This isn't even mentioning how discord and team speak will ruin a game when you get a lobby of hacking survivor friends for an entire day until you hate yourself enough to never play this ######### game again, there are other things as well.

its brutally easy to play survivor you almost need no real perks to get out. You get a free hatch at end of game and and simply wait for everyone else to die if you want out ( since the devs cause the hatch to SPAWN on the last survivor).

Behav. Fix your ######### game.

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Brokenbones

Here are some random tips I've picked up over the few years I've been playing:

1) Frustration and tilt is your #1 enemy when playing either role but especially Killer. A lot of the games I've lost usually were a result of me getting tilted and making really bad mistakes, such as committing to a survivor who had a god tier set up

2) Corrupt is there so you only have to protect 4 gens instead of 7, this is why you should avoid chasing survivors around blocked gens if possible

3) There's no good substitute for experience. You can read and watch guides but putting those things into practice is the important part. The more you play, the more you will develop a personal 'game sense' which will guide you better than any video or tutorial can

4) If you have a particularly bad match, try to look at it reflectively - think about what you did (or didn't) do in the match and what to take away from it. This also helps with matches where the odds are clearly stacked against you - Personally when I'm sent to a bad map for example, I'll play as ruthlessly as I can not out of spite, but because I see map offerings as a sign my opponents are doing the same.

5) The most important lesson to remember as Killer: There is only 1 of you and 4 of them, it is almost impossible for most killers to pressure all 4 survivors at once. You will lose gens, it's just a fact of the game and there's nothing wrong with it

I hope at least one of these tips helps in some way!

GoodBoyKaru

@Lima24927 said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2942968#Comment_2942968

yeah i got all killers, i see a lot running corrupt intervention, but what to do after that, rush the blocked gens to try and down a survivor ? what would be the "goal" , like 1 - 2 - 3 hooks while corrupt intervention is active ? because it only procs once right ?

Ideally you'll want to stay out of your corrupted gens unless you know you can get a quick down. Survivors will be forced to group up and enter the non-corrupted section of the map, or hide for 2 minutes, where 1 mistake can easily lead to snowball without any pressure being made from them. Patrol the unblocked gens and wait for the survivors to come to you. A substantially smaller patrol distance means easier early game defence and limiting the pressure the survivors can make.

Also, if they group up, you'll be interrupting multiple at once, which is always a bonus.

Sepex

Your probably not doing anything wrong at all. If you've been getting lots of 4ks the system is just matching you against more skilled survivors.

Brokenbones

@Vaimore said:

You're not doing anything wrong. Behav don't want killer mains around their game. In their last patch to update Legion and Ghostface they tampered with the sounds effects so killers have a harder time hearing from which direction sounds come from. Secondly gen speeds are insane. You do realize that there literally isn't anything you can do other than get lucky with a game where the odds aren't stacked against you. Everything from multi-survivor perk stacks, to 100 pallets a map and so on are all against you. This isn't even mentioning how discord and team speak will ruin a game when you get a lobby of hacking survivor friends for an entire day until you hate yourself enough to never play this ######### game again, there are other things as well.

its brutally easy to play survivor you almost need no real perks to get out. You get a free hatch at end of game and and simply wait for everyone else to die if you want out ( since the devs cause the hatch to SPAWN on the last survivor).

Behav. Fix your ######### game.

If it's brutally easy to play survivor why do I die a lot

checkmate liberals 😎

Chaos999

Ohtofu guides are a lot more beginner friendly and lay down a lot of The basic stuff.

Red gaming gears is also an excellent streamer to learn killers individually.

WishIcouldmain

Watch lots of Coconutrs Huntress gameplay

amazing_grace

It just takes a lot of practice to be able to be proficient at the game from both sides. It's really nothing to do with how you are playing, but more so that you just lack experience. Although hours aren't a perfect indicator of skill, generally a survivor with 100 hours will probably beat a killer with 20 hours. A killer with 300 hours will kill a survivor with 100 hours, and so on. I probably have about 900 hours in survivor and 300 hours in killer and sometimes I just have games that I know the survivor is just better than me. If I faced myself as killer, I probably would be looping myself like crazy and know I'd have to drop chase to not throw the game.

On the other hand, there are probably small macro game decisions that you aren't making properly, which really just takes time and experience to learn properly. You can tell with some killer main streamers that they may play really relaxed, but they seem to 3k or 4k with ease just because their macro gameplay is spot on, so they don't really have to sweat each hit or chase. The problem with how BHVR has designed their mmr system is that once you get a bunch of 4k, it will start matching you in games where you don't stand a chance. I wouldn't lose my cool when put in games like these because you should just remind yourself that you're being matched against people who are objectively better than you.

The best way to improve is just playing both sides and keep practicing. A good killer plays survivor and a good survivor plays killer. If you don't understand what you're doing wrong as killer, play survivor for a bit and learn what other killers do. You'll be able to see the mistakes other killers make or the mind games that other killers do that work.

dugman

My general advice for someone still pretty new to the game might be:

• Don't worry that much right now about your loadout, the exact build you run only really makes a difference if both you and the survivors are making few mistakes. You can have a great loadout and making a strategic mistake will still cost you the match if the survivors play well, and vice versa if you play well and the survivors mess up you'll win no matter what build you're using (or even with no perks at all). I would say for now use the perks that have effects you like as a playstyle preference, that way you're having fun with them while you continue getting better at the game through regular play.
• Playing killer involves both a tactical micro game of getting hits on survivors efficiently while chasing them as well as a broader strategic macro game of having a sense of when to start and continue chasing a survivor, when to break off a chase and switch targets, when to hook a downed survivor and when to leave them dying on the ground while you go to chase someone else. You need to be good at both the micro and macro aspects of killers to do well against skilled survivors. For example, you can be really good at chasing people, not miss hits and get your hits and downs relatively consistently, but if you're not paying attention to the broader game while you're doing it you could be leaving all three other survivors that you're not chasing totally free to finish the gens unimpeded. And on the flip side, you can have great game sense, but if you are frequently missing attacks when they juke you or losing track of them in corn or getting looped ad infinitum at common tiles you'll lose the game even if you on the whole know what's going on. So a first step might be to try and figure out where your weaknesses are at both the micro and macro level and work on shoring those up.
• One tip for the macro game would be, if you're chasing someone and there are no gens nearby, unless you can hit or down them quickly you're giving everybody else free rein to finish the gens. Personally my rule of thumb is, at a minimum, after each hit or pallet drop, reevaluate your surroundings and decide if it's worth continuing the chase. A lot of the time on reflection you'll find that you're better off breaking off that survivor and switching back to others doing the gens (maybe breaking a pallet that was just dropped first as a consolation prize). Sure, the survivor you leave will have a chance to heal to or to a gen, but even if they do it will take them a little time to reset and hopefully by then you're already deep into a new chase or getting a down on someone else. In particular by switching off a survivor who is a good runner you are giving yourself the opportunity to find a weaker survivor player that you can down more quickly, and ultimately taking out the weak link is usually the best strategy because it will significantly increase the pressure on everybody else.
• Another thing that might not be obvious is that immediately hooking everybody you down isn't necessarily the optimal strategy. When you pick and up carry someone to a hook you are spending around 10 seconds or so, maybe more, to finish it. But if instead you leave the survivor on the ground, you can use those 10 seconds to cross up to half the map and chase a second survivor. That is a much faster way to pressure the survivors in the short term because at that point you have a survivor you're chasing, another on the ground, a third probably rescuing the dying survivor, and only one actively working on the gens. And if they ignore the dying player you can end up having two downed survivors and now you're in a great position to ramp up your momentum! A rule of thumb here might be pick a survivor that you would like to eliminate first and, when you down them, hook them, but when you down the others consider slugging them on the ground versus hooking them to give yourself more opportunity to pressure everybody and find that survivor you're hoping to eliminate. (If you're fairly sure the survivors aren't working on the gens then hooking the others is perfectly fine, but if you're hooking your secondary targets while the rest do gens you're potentially losing momentum.)
• Of course this is all a general rule, if you happen to be running a build that has perks which rely on hooks then hooking more often makes sense. And on the flip side if you have perks which work well when you down people but don't necessarily hook them then slugging more heavily works better. Either way, though, the goal is pressuring multiple survivors and keeping them busy so they're not progressing the gens while you take away their pallets and build up hooks on one of them to knock them out of play.
• Regarding the gens, it's worth remembering that by design the first couple of gens are the easiest for the survivors to finish. The game isn't at all over just because they got two gens done in a couple of minutes. So if you're playing for the long game and keeping up pressure, taking out pallets to build dead zones, and getting someone to the point they are on death hook to eliminate them, then there's no need to panic just because they finish a gen or two. Just keep up the pressure, don't mess up your chases, and try to get them in that situation where at most one person can work on a gen at a time and you'll have a good shot at your 3-4k at the end.
• Some people seem to think face camping is the way to go, but on the whole standing around a hook isn't time efficient. As I mentioned above, if you stand there for two minutes doing nothing else you're giving them total freedom to finish two or three gens in that time. Then they just need to do a hook trade and start over. Keeping an eye on a hooked survivor has its place for sure, but if the survivors aren't coming to you then you should probably be going to them. You want to be in that cycle of having one downed or hooked, chasing another, a third doing a rescue and the last the only one on gens, and you can't do that just standing in place unless the survivors actually come to you.
• Finally just ignore survivors who complain about "tunneling". Nobody agrees on what tunneling even means let alone why it's even a bad thing in the first place. The vast majority of people who complain about "tunneling" in my aftergame chats were just people I happened to down twice in a row or whatever and are sore that they got killed first. Strategically sometimes you want to keep chasing a survivor after you hit them, and sometimes you want to break it off, but in neither case should you at all worry about whether the survivor in question will call you a "tunneler".

Nos37

Just play against solo survivors, preferably with The Cenobite if you can afford it

[Deleted User]

Some pretty bad advice in the thread. OP has 40 hrs playtime. There are absolutely things they're doing incorrectly. Start with this vid and go from there. The first thing to focus on is running every tile correctly as killer and understanding how a survivor is trying to run the tile.

https://youtu.be/E5QWNS14MS0

drsoontm

You only have 40 hours so it's kind of normal. Learning the game takes a long while. Besides, killer is the most difficult role.

As a rule of thumb, players are pretty much newbies when under about 500 hours and become somewhat competent from around 1000 hours.

I can't really give good advice for Nemesis. However for Huntress, I suggest you watch CoconutRTS or maybe Rayoxium. They are among the best Huntress out there. See how they play, try to understand and to mimic them. It will take time, don't worry.

Among the "big" streamers, you could watch Otzdarva or Tru3talent. Tru streams everyday (or close) and is a bit negative sometimes but he is one of the best players out there. He usually alternates killer and survivor so you are sure you'll see killer games.

amazing_grace

@[Deleted User] said:

Some pretty bad advice in the thread. OP has 40 hrs playtime. There are absolutely things they're doing incorrectly. Start with this vid and go from there. The first thing to focus on is running every tile correctly as killer and understanding how a survivor is trying to run the tile.

https://youtu.be/E5QWNS14MS0

Definitely important to understand how to do mind games and how to play tiles correctly, but you have to remember that they might be playing against mediocre or mid-range skill survivors who don't know how to run tiles correctly. That's the problem I have sometimes when I play killer or survivor is that I perform a mindgame that I would expect an experienced player to perform at the tile, but the other player literally holds w or does something stupid that I didn't expect either. Although, definitely something good to learn if they plan on investing themselves into the game for the long run.

DoritoHead

-Get perks like Ruin/Undying, Tinkerer, Corrupt (basically anything that allows you to pressure gens well)

-Nemmy's best addons are Marvin's Blood and the coin one that makes there be less vaccine cases around the map.

-Practice makes perfect, do not get discouraged.

H2H

This game is massively imbalanced in survivors’ favor, sometimes you just lose and there’s nothing to be done about it. Don’t sweat it. 👍

AetherBytes

don't fret if you lose a Gen before your first hooks, its almost always going to happen.

Carrow

You aren't doing anything wrong. Unfortunately, the developers of this game are ridiculously incompetent at their job and this creates a horrible unbalance in the game. You either need to throw a bunch of matches to go up against people of your skill level or accept that you are going to lose the overwhelming majority of your games.

JaviiMii

Isn't it funny how this thread has a very "finals studying time" vibe? -- Yes, the skill floor has apparently become pretty high, judging by all the educational material and studying advice. Now, if there was an Anki set for perks and add-ons that would just be the cherry on top.

But in all seriousness: It will take time. Knowing maps and tiles, aka knowing where you are and where you need to go next - or where you dont even bother going takes a while. Figuring out the killers power also takes a moment, even in Nemo's case. Getting the tentacle to T2 helps massively - especially with survs who love pallets or pressing W. It also takes a moment to make them use up all vaccines - but once they have, it becomes much easier to down people. Ofc, you need to be able to land hits - but both timing, adjusting (quickly) to how Individual survivors tend to dodge the M2 and knowing what you can hit over takes practice, aka time.

One side note: There are people saying camp and tunnel. While they are valid (if imho unfun and boring) strategies in principle they aren't good practising/learning strategies. Someone who has one (bad) chase and proceeds to camp will have a very hard time getting better at chasing. Someone who tunnels to make it a 3v1 as fast as possible will have a hard time at keeping up with whats going on in the match and "reading match progress". Differently put: Someone who has primarily used those strategies will have a very hard time doing anything else. And they will have an extremely hard time when they encounter people who know how to counter these strategies (it happens a lot).

EvilBarney666

I am a killer main through and through. People often wonder why I put up with it or how I have so much fun playing the game.

I look at the game this way. It's a game. I Will win some I will lose some. I just play the way I want and try different things. I don't let others dictate how I play. This game is too random. You never know what you will get.

In time you will get better, you will learn how to mind game survivors or what strats work best for you. The game does tend to favor survivors as they are the bread and butter for BHVR. They make them the most money. You want to keep them happy and playing.

Best advice I can offer, go into a game knowing your most likely at a disadvantage and just do the best you can. Don't care about win or loss. Just GG after the match and move on. Good luck out there! 😄

DrDeepwound

Unfortunately, you're gonna feel helpless against good SWF teams for a bit. But I assure you young killer, one day you will crave the type of fight they bring.

Here's some advice I can give you:

1. Drop chase if you cant catch them in 20 seconds or so (this can change depending on how close you are their positioning etc) if you spend too long chasing one person the others are banging gens.
2. Don;t instantly pick up survivors if you know people have flashlights, stand over the corpse for a few seconds faking the pick up then look around, youll b e surprised how often you can get a hit or even a down on a second person, leave the first guy slugged for a few moments, its ok it creates pressure.
3. Get quick with looking up or down with flashlights
4. use your ears, LISTEN for things.

One day youre gonna look back on this struggle as just the climb of the mountain of glory bro

Bennett_They1Them

@Lima24927 said:

Ok so i will make it short, i have around 40 hours player give or take, like around 30 as killer, i got many many 4Ks before with most killers, i tried almost all killers to see what playstyle fits me best, i have more success with Nemesis, the huntress or the doctor, my main problem now is that i'm not fast enough downing survivors and while im chasing one, the others are working like crazy on gens and by the time i get my first hook i usually already lost 1-2 gens, and if the survivor is really good i might take forever and not be able to kill him at all, i beleive i won too many killers games now i have a "high mmr" ?im getting a lot of organized super toxic SWF where i don't stand a chance at all, but every time i play im learning from my mistakes and im learning what they do and how they behave, how do i control the territory or what would be the best strat to slow down the gens? perks ? i know about most meta perks, i've been watching streamers and guides about chasing, looping etc, but still i feel underpower against very strong SWF, i know nemesis is classified as a "B" class killer ? but im nowhere good to run a nurse or blight, any tips for me ? or any streamers for me to watch ? only one i watch mostly is otzdarva but the gameplay is too fast paced and he knows all maps and stuff so its more a showcase than a teaching guide ?

@Lima24927 said:

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appreciate any help

1. Unrelenting isn't a great perk, so I'd swap that for any other gen perk you've got.
2. Try to get in character, it'll help you take the game less seriously and have more fun with it.
3. if you see 4 identically named players with the same cosmetics, don't sweat dodging that lobby.
4. Play however you want, but don't be a hypocrite.
5. "Toxic" gets thrown around too much. if someone's hurling slurs, report them. if they're just being cheeky, don't let them tilt you - that's exactly what they want.
6. play in a lobby with a friend who's better than you.
7. If you've hit bloodlust 1 without having previously gotten a hit or a pallet out of them, leave. go find a weaker player.
8. you don't always need to use your power. Nemi's great at zoning, but if you whip wildly, you're just buying them time that a quick knuckle sandwich wouldn't.
9. Don't feel like you have to 4k. it feels great, but it's not even the official win condition.
10. Play survivor once in a while. you'll learn how survivors think in chase.
11. don't be afraid to commit to crazy plans. Big brain ambushes and outplays feel great. - just don't overcommit to the plan.
12. Don't let yourself be reliant on perks. strong perks can make you feel strong and skilled, but they'll only carry you so far.
13. Watch Otz.
14. Always be courteous and respectful in the endgame chat. be the bigger person.

drsoontm

Necro.

Bennett_They1Them

@drsoontm said:

Necro.

oh. oops.

didn't see that.

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