Is this bannable?

SnuggleBunny

Was playing survivor and had a clown put me in the basement and then body block the stair way so no one could unhook me? I would love for the devs to answer this question because this shouldn't be able to happen. How is that fair? I recorded the match and have evidence if you would like to see it. Also, the killer was from China using a VPN and they were super laggy then bragging about 4k. Should that be allowed as well? I would just like to know if that is considered fair gameplay?

Peanits

No. What they're doing is essentially camping, which is not against the rules.

SnuggleBunny

No, they were body blocking the stairs leading down into the basement so no one can PHYSICALLY get into it. I don't care about being camped but I would like an opportunity to actually play the game.

Cardgrey

U sure it wasn’t mr leatherface? He’s known to live down there

SnuggleBunny

Lol

Carpemortum

Peanits said:

No. What they're doing is essentially camping, which is not against the rules.

I thought blocking stairs to prevent gameplay was holding the game hostage/exploit? Hes not just camping, hes straight preventing someone from even attempting an unsafe unhook.

Cardgrey

I contacted mr face and asked why camp. he sent me this as his official answer....

Cardgrey

@Carpemortum said:
Peanits said:

No. What they're doing is essentially camping, which is not against the rules.

I thought blocking stairs to prevent gameplay was holding the game hostage/exploit? Hes not just camping, hes straight preventing someone from even attempting an unsafe unhook.

Umm someone’s gonna die vs all 4 there none hooked blocking just for the sake of it.
Also everyone else can still work on gens so it’s not hostage...

Attackfrog

SnuggleBunny said:

No, they were body blocking the stairs leading down into the basement so no one can PHYSICALLY get into it. I don't care about being camped but I would like an opportunity to actually play the game.

Don't get hooked and you won't get camped.

apropos

He hangs out in there cuz ppl are mean to him...

Carpemortum

Cardgrey said:

@Carpemortum said:
Peanits said:

No. What they're doing is essentially camping, which is not against the rules.

I thought blocking stairs to prevent gameplay was holding the game hostage/exploit? Hes not just camping, hes straight preventing someone from even attempting an unsafe unhook.

Umm someone’s gonna die vs all 4 there none hooked blocking just for the sake of it.
Also everyone else can still work on gens so it’s not hostage...

Its preventing intended gameplay mechanics by not allowing an unhook. How is that hard to get? It's like when people sat inside you on hook so you couldnt get saved. That got patched out because it was exploiting a mechanic or collision box in an unintended way.

Also, no one was hooked? His first line says he was hooked...

Orion

@Carpemortum said:
Its preventing intended gameplay mechanics by not allowing an unhook. How is that hard to get? It's like when people sat inside you on hook so you couldnt get saved. That got patched out because it was exploiting a mechanic or collision box in an unintended way.

Also, no one was hooked? His first line says he was hooked...

The Killer doesn't have to allow for an unhook. Survivors using flashlights when Killers pick up other Survivors also prevent gameplay mechanics (carrying and hooking).

Carpemortum

Orion said:

@Carpemortum said:
Its preventing intended gameplay mechanics by not allowing an unhook. How is that hard to get? It's like when people sat inside you on hook so you couldnt get saved. That got patched out because it was exploiting a mechanic or collision box in an unintended way.

Also, no one was hooked? His first line says he was hooked...

The Killer doesn't have to allow for an unhook. Survivors using flashlights when Killers pick up other Survivors also prevent gameplay mechanics (carrying and hooking).

No, they are using intended gameplay mechanics with a countered gameplay mechanic.  By not allowing them to even enter for the attempt is exploiting his collision to end that person, period. Not camping with risks of safe or unsafe. Simply saying, "no, this is how were playing this game now". 

Your comparison of flashlight saves (which require timing and an intended mechanic) and standing in the path of a player to prevent ANOTHER intended gameplay mechanic, is ludicrous.

If they dont have to allow an unhook, why did they patch out face camping?

Orion

@Carpemortum said:
No, they are using intended gameplay mechanics with a countered gameplay mechanic.  By not allowing them to even enter for the attempt is exploiting his collision to end that person, period. Not camping with risks of safe or unsafe. Simply saying, "no, this is how were playing this game now". 

Your comparison of flashlight saves (which require timing and an intended mechanic) and standing in the path of a player to prevent ANOTHER intended gameplay mechanic, is ludicrous.

Camping is also an intended mechanic, as is bodyblocking. What's not an intended mechanic is Survivors being able to ignore the Killer's presence.

SnuggleBunny

@Attackfrog said:
SnuggleBunny said:

No, they were body blocking the stairs leading down into the basement so no one can PHYSICALLY get into it. I don't care about being camped but I would like an opportunity to actually play the game.

Don't get hooked and you won't get camped.

If they were not from China using a laggy VPN then I probably wouldn't have gone down.

twistedmonkey

The answer has been given, it's not bannable.

The reason being the clown is simply in essense doing the same as the old facecamping by completely preventing the unhook, you will still die and if the others were smart they would do gens and get out, the game is still progressing so its not bannable.

The only thing bannable is blocking someone in the basement or in a corner so they cannot get out which is holding them hostage, it also has to be done for a prolonged period of time, blocking to run out BT or the pig making sure your head explodes does not count, basically if you can die it's ok if you are stuck with no way to progress the game it's not.

PiiFree

No, as long as the match progresses and will eventually come to an end, it's not bannable.

He simply made sure that you die and since that is some serious dedication, I am sure that he had his reasons to do so. It's scummy but some survivors are simply asking for such treatments.

Hoodied

no but its just dickish

The_Crusader

It shouldn't be bannable.

I mean holding the game hostage is. Blocking the stairs with unhooked survivors downstairs is bannable because the survivors in the basement can't do anything other than;

1) Wait for the killer to hit them

2) Disconnect.

So yeah that's not fair. However in this case the game isn't being held hostage as...

1) The other 3 survivors are free to rush gens and leave

2) The person on the hook will be sacrificed soon anyway.

I have to admit, I've done this once or twice before but only to extremely toxic survivors.

It's no different to survviors bodyblocking the hook. Survivors can moan all they want about how its toxic and holding the game hostage, well then as killer I'm meant to hook people, them standing in the way of the hook is also holding the game hostage and toxic? Oh no thats fine apparantly. Double standards as always.

I feel like survivors brought this on themselves when bodyblocking hooks became a thing. In any other game neither would exist but with DBD the devs let almost anything become "a legit strategy". It's annoying.

friendlykillermain

camping is fine you have looping fair is fair

TheBean

You got Leatherfaced!

BigBadPiggy

If they are body blocking the stairs and not moving/letting you leave whatsoever, that counts as holding the game hostage and can be bannable.

Orion

@BigBadPiggy said:
If they are body blocking the stairs and not moving/letting you leave whatsoever, that counts as holding the game hostage and can be bannable.

Not if the Survivor is hooked and will die eventually while all the others swarm around like buzzards, or if the Killer is waiting for BT to go away. Then it's just smart.

Master

@Carpemortum said:
Peanits said:

No. What they're doing is essentially camping, which is not against the rules.

I thought blocking stairs to prevent gameplay was holding the game hostage/exploit? Hes not just camping, hes straight preventing someone from even attempting an unsafe unhook.

If someone is hooked in the basement, then a timer is ticking down and it snot holding the game hostage

BigBadPiggy

@Orion said:

@BigBadPiggy said:
If they are body blocking the stairs and not moving/letting you leave whatsoever, that counts as holding the game hostage and can be bannable.

Not if the Survivor is hooked and will die eventually while all the others swarm around like buzzards, or if the Killer is waiting for BT to go away. Then it's just smart.

I was talking about if they trap you down there and you can't leave. But yeah, It's smart to keep the others out.

Orion

@BigBadPiggy said:

@Orion said:

@BigBadPiggy said:
If they are body blocking the stairs and not moving/letting you leave whatsoever, that counts as holding the game hostage and can be bannable.

Not if the Survivor is hooked and will die eventually while all the others swarm around like buzzards, or if the Killer is waiting for BT to go away. Then it's just smart.

I was talking about if they trap you down there and you can't leave. But yeah, It's smart to keep the others out.

Well, that's not the situation described in the OP. You should be more specific, or else the mods will get swarmed with false reports.

BigBadPiggy

@Orion said:

@BigBadPiggy said:

@Orion said:

@BigBadPiggy said:
If they are body blocking the stairs and not moving/letting you leave whatsoever, that counts as holding the game hostage and can be bannable.

Not if the Survivor is hooked and will die eventually while all the others swarm around like buzzards, or if the Killer is waiting for BT to go away. Then it's just smart.

I was talking about if they trap you down there and you can't leave. But yeah, It's smart to keep the others out.

Well, that's not the situation described in the OP. You should be more specific, or else the mods will get swarmed with false reports.

Oops.

Peanits

To clarify: Keeping people out is camping, because the killer is just standing there to prevent an unhook. Camping is not bannable. In a minute or two, you'll bleed out and be sacrificed.

If you were in the basement and not hooked, that would be different. That would mean that the killer is holding the game hostage.

iceman2kx

By your logic, if a killer body blocking a unhook is unfair and should be bannable what about survivors preventing a kill by body blocking a hit by the exit? The pendulum swings both ways man. I'm not trying to troll you but these are things to think about when you play only-survivor or only-killer.

MusicalMoore6

It is actually reportable .not_queen referenced it in one of the last live streams .Body Blocking by the killer (ie the basement) for an extended period of time is reportable and should be. It is NOT camping .It's taking the game hostage. Just as survivors do when they use urban evasion around the map with both doors open and the hatch open .if you're ever body blocked and unable to attempt to play the game it's reportble .

Peanits

MusicalMoore6 said:

It is actually reportable .not_queen referenced it in one of the last live streams .Body Blocking by the killer (ie the basement) for an extended period of time is reportable and should be. It is NOT camping .It's taking the game hostage. Just as survivors do when they use urban evasion around the map with both doors open and the hatch open .if you're ever body blocked and unable to attempt to play the game it's reportble .

Once again, this applies to holding the game hostage, not to killing someone on the hook.

Source: I'm one of the guys doing the banning.

redsopine01

MusicalMoore6 said:

It is actually reportable .not_queen referenced it in one of the last live streams .Body Blocking by the killer (ie the basement) for an extended period of time is reportable and should be. It is NOT camping .It's taking the game hostage. Just as survivors do when they use urban evasion around the map with both doors open and the hatch open .if you're ever body blocked and unable to attempt to play the game it's reportble .

Wait so I can't stand on top of the stairs with a Insta hatchet to get the unlucky unhooker also what about people who flat out refuse to leave without you seeing them leave

Raccoon

@Peanits said:
MusicalMoore6 said:

It is actually reportable .not_queen referenced it in one of the last live streams .Body Blocking by the killer (ie the basement) for an extended period of time is reportable and should be. It is NOT camping .It's taking the game hostage. Just as survivors do when they use urban evasion around the map with both doors open and the hatch open .if you're ever body blocked and unable to attempt to play the game it's reportble .

Once again, this applies to holding the game hostage, not to killing someone on the hook.

Source: I'm one of the guys doing the banning.

Pretty good source!

Animalheadskull

SnuggleBunny said:

@Attackfrog said:
SnuggleBunny said:

No, they were body blocking the stairs leading down into the basement so no one can PHYSICALLY get into it. I don't care about being camped but I would like an opportunity to actually play the game.

Don't get hooked and you won't get camped.

If they were not from China using a laggy VPN then I probably wouldn't have gone down.

Uh oh, bold statement, a dev also said a chase shouldn't last 1 minute 

Animalheadskull

MusicalMoore6 said:

It is actually reportable .not_queen referenced it in one of the last live streams .Body Blocking by the killer (ie the basement) for an extended period of time is reportable and should be. It is NOT camping .It's taking the game hostage. Just as survivors do when they use urban evasion around the map with both doors open and the hatch open .if you're ever body blocked and unable to attempt to play the game it's reportble .

That's not holding the game hostage, now if all 4 survivors or any remaining survivor all in the basement and the killer is just standing at the top of the stairs not letting them go anywhere or hitting them, then that's holding it hostage

SnuggleBunny

@iceman2kx said:
By your logic, if a killer body blocking a unhook is unfair and should be bannable what about survivors preventing a kill by body blocking a hit by the exit? The pendulum swings both ways man. I'm not trying to troll you but these are things to think about when you play only-survivor or only-killer.

I wasn't saying they should be outright banned. I was asking for clarification. Also saw a comment about how he must have wanted me dead but he basically facecamped the first person he downed (I was the second). Think he was just a jerk.

Carpemortum

Orion said:

@Carpemortum said:
No, they are using intended gameplay mechanics with a countered gameplay mechanic.  By not allowing them to even enter for the attempt is exploiting his collision to end that person, period. Not camping with risks of safe or unsafe. Simply saying, "no, this is how were playing this game now". 

Your comparison of flashlight saves (which require timing and an intended mechanic) and standing in the path of a player to prevent ANOTHER intended gameplay mechanic, is ludicrous.

Camping is also an intended mechanic, as is bodyblocking. What's not an intended mechanic is Survivors being able to ignore the Killer's presence.

Hes not camping. Camping implies sitting and waiting for another to come and unhook to get hit or deter them from. He is literally blocking the path from gameplay and its exploiting the same as falling through the grim pantry and keeping the killer there. Or is it ok to do that if the other 3 survivors are doing gens so that the game eventually ends? It's a bs arguement and you know it. Just because the game isnt completely held up doesnt justify blocking g the path and exploiting a collision box.

Carpemortum

EntityDispleased said:

@Carpemortum said:
Peanits said:

No. What they're doing is essentially camping, which is not against the rules.

I thought blocking stairs to prevent gameplay was holding the game hostage/exploit? Hes not just camping, hes straight preventing someone from even attempting an unsafe unhook.

For the millionth time on this forum, that is not holding the game hostage. Holding the game hostage is putting the game in a situation where it would go on forever. Holding the game hostage in a similar situation to this would be if the killer somehow trapped all 4 of you in the basement, stood at the stairs and decided to go afk. That has the potential of making the game last an infinite amount of time as long as they keep standing there. However, in this situation the hook timer will eventually run out and you'll die, the other survivors are allowed to go do gens and escape. Same thing with slugging, you'll bleedout eventually and you'll be able to play another match. No one is being locked into the trial until they DC.

So I can block some killer on grim pantry drop, and keep him there, as LONG AS my team does gens and we leave after? Even though it stops the killer from actually playing the game? Because I thought ochido got banned for that exact thing.

Carpemortum

Peanits said:

To clarify: Keeping people out is camping, because the killer is just standing there to prevent an unhook. Camping is not bannable. In a minute or two, you'll bleed out and be sacrificed.

If you were in the basement and not hooked, that would be different. That would mean that the killer is holding the game hostage.

But hes not camping? Camping is using them as bait/ sitting and watching them. Not preventing the attempt of unhook. If that's true, why did they remove body/face camping as a possibility? Because its exploiting it..

So is it cool for me to hold up a killer falling through grim pantry while we do all gens, THEN let him out? It's not an infinite game if we choose to finally allow intended gameplay, right?