What Dead by Daylight could learn or copy from games like Friday, VHS, Propnight

DeadByStreetlight

I like that you can build weapons or useful gadgets in VHS. Ok we have chests and there is Leon's flashbang perk but it's odd how to do it.

There should be more interactvie elements on the map with a new skin. There are everytime the same gens, the same hooks, the same totems, the same lockers and the the same pallets which is fun but not different enough.

The Doctor could have chairs like the "hooks" in propnight. The gens could have different skins. I mean why there are on every map the same gens? What is the story behind?

I wish it would be more adventure like: first we need to get in the house, then we need to find something, then we need to discover or summon the exit. And finally we can open the exit. Something like this.

The Killers should also have new objectives but not just neverending boon totems. There should be a little quest which is only active when a survivor get hooked. Preparing a random trap on the map, barricade ways (this could be also nice as objective or ability for survivor). Maybe that gives the killer another reason to leave the hook instead camping.

I really like that the game looks like a painted picture, but i think the maps should have more props which are filying around when you collidate with them.

How would you improve the game?

Marc_123

Different skins for like hooks would be cool. Your other ideas would be a new game.

Mooks

I mean why there are on every map the same gens? What is the story behind?

pretty sure that is explained through lore as the maps are not actually the places but twisted versions created by the Entity and the gens are kinda supposed to look out of place?

also, I would love to see the fire barrels to get some mechanic/function as they are already featured on every map (with the new one even having different skins for them)

otherwise I made plenty of suggestions for new survivor items and game mechanics for the game.

DeadByStreetlight

@Mooks said:

I mean why there are on every map the same gens? What is the story behind?

pretty sure that is explained through lore as the maps are not actually the places but twisted versions created by the Entity and the gens are kinda supposed to look out of place?

also, I would love to see the fire barrels to get some mechanic/function as they are already featured on every map (with the new one even having different skins for them)

otherwise I made plenty of suggestions for new survivor items and game mechanics for the game.

Then I would prefer a twisted gen look like in Propnight.

The fire barrels are already a nice hiding spot .😉

A winter themed killer and the fire barrels give the chilly survivor a warm buff.

JeanCharpentier

@DeadByStreetlight said:

I like that you can build weapons or useful gadgets in VHS. Ok we have chests and there is Leon's flashbang perk but it's odd how to do it.

There should be more interactvie elements on the map with a new skin. There are everytime the same gens, the same hooks, the same totems, the same lockers and the the same pallets which is fun but not different enough.

The Doctor could have chairs like the "hooks" in propnight. The gens could have different skins. I mean why there are on every map the same gens? What is the story behind?

I wish it would be more adventure like: first we need to get in the house, then we need to find something, then we need to discover or summon the exit. And finally we can open the exit. Something like this.

The Killers should also have new objectives but not just neverending boon totems. There should be a little quest which is only active when a survivor get hooked. Preparing a random trap on the map, barricade ways (this could be also nice as objective or ability for survivor). Maybe that gives the killer another reason to leave the hook instead camping.

I really like that the game looks like a painted picture, but i think the maps should have more props which are filying around when you collidate with them.

How would you improve the game?

From my experience on Propnight :

• RNG is way better than in DbD, you get stuff with the money you earn, changing some encounters with the monster but without unbalancing the game
• Game is greatly balanced once everyone know how to play properly, killers have everything they need to chase and win, survivors can escape and help each others to survive but nothing is broken
• Fun, the game is fun, with many troll aspects and it is cute
• Voice chat prevent bad behaviors from players as they know they are facing a human...
• Way less frustrating for killers, there aren't 2000 pallets/doors and items are limited
• Better reactivity from devs, they did many fixes, added a map, improved performances, tweaked the balance in 6 days... 5 patches

Honestly, i have a blast with Propnight, the same fun i have had with DbD from 2017 to 2019 or something :)

anarchy753

Yeah I'm sure BHVR are just scrambling to see what they can learn from the game with an all time peak of 3k players.

Risky12

Back when the game came out and we had 3/4 killers, the hooks actually looked differently depending on the killer that was selected. It was taken out because in gave survivors the ability to instantly identify the killer

JeanCharpentier

@anarchy753 said:

Yeah I'm sure BHVR are just scrambling to see what they can learn from the game with an all time peak of 3k players.

A game that is funnier and way more balanced than DbD where you have close game all the time when both sides are good.

And a game where survivors can clutch thanks to a great mechanics for it.

BHVR has actually a lot to learn from Propnight. Got 25 hours in (1700h in DbD) and i'm amazed by how good the game is...

• teens have a money/time management aspect
• teamplay is at the same level than DbD
• mindgame with the killer is better and in 2v1 or 1v1 it is incredibly good
• teens rely on items that they can buy through chest, none of them is OP as you cannot spam them or have too many of them
• maps are great, not too big, not too small, and there arent a ton of pallets.'Also teens cannot run all the time and have to manage sprint/prop during chases. Only the farm map is teens sided but i'm sure they will address it
• balance is great thanks to good maps and to the teens heal management, impossible to heal unless you have a medkit, without medkit you recover heal slowly till 70 hp
• kindred/BT built in the game
• community is respectful, mostly mature and there is almost no camper/tunneler
• performances are great

And devs are listening to the community and are really reactive. 6 patches in 10 days with balance changes, a new map, bug/performances fix/improvement etc...

Sorry but BHVR should be ashamed that they have not been able to provide any of this for 5 years while they earn millions of dollars monthly with DbD.

As a reminder, BHVR earner 124 millions of dollars in 2020 while they have only DbD running... it is around 200k$ per employee... So where are the fixes and changes we have asked for 5 years ?

Jejune

@JeanCharpentier said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2691452#Comment_2691452

A game that is funnier and way more balanced than DbD where you have close game all the time when both sides are good.

And a game where survivors can clutch thanks to a great mechanics for it.

BHVR has actually a lot to learn from Propnight. Got 25 hours in (1700h in DbD) and i'm amazed by how good the game is...

• teens have a money/time management aspect
• teamplay is at the same level than DbD
• mindgame with the killer is better and in 2v1 or 1v1 it is incredibly good
• teens rely on items that they can buy through chest, none of them is OP as you cannot spam them or have too many of them
• maps are great, not too big, not too small, and there arent a ton of pallets.'Also teens cannot run all the time and have to manage sprint/prop during chases. Only the farm map is teens sided but i'm sure they will address it
• balance is great thanks to good maps and to the teens heal management, impossible to heal unless you have a medkit, without medkit you recover heal slowly till 70 hp
• kindred/BT built in the game
• community is respectful, mostly mature and there is almost no camper/tunneler
• performances are great

And devs are listening to the community and are really reactive. 6 patches in 10 days with balance changes, a new map, bug/performances fix/improvement etc...

Sorry but BHVR should be ashamed that they have not been able to provide any of this for 5 years while they earn millions of dollars monthly with DbD.

As a reminder, BHVR earner 124 millions of dollars in 2020 while they have only DbD running... it is around 200k$ per employee... So where are the fixes and changes we have asked for 5 years ?

Tbf, VHS has been in development since dbd came out. I assume that if dbd were to be released now it would have some or majority of perks they have in the game currently. At this point I hope vhs takes majority of dbd player base so that it forces them to actually put some work into anything but new chapters.

FFirebrandd

@Jejune said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2696486#Comment_2696486

Tbf, VHS has been in development since dbd came out. I assume that if dbd were to be released now it would have some or majority of perks they have in the game currently. At this point I hope vhs takes majority of dbd player base so that it forces them to actually put some work into anything but new chapters.

Honestly I'm not sure it will. I'm not saying VHS looks like a bad game or anything... but they are fundamentally different games. People who like DbD aren't necessarily going to like VHS. I mean, I've not really seen anything about VHS that makes me want to play it.

JeanCharpentier

@Jejune said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2696486#Comment_2696486

Tbf, VHS has been in development since dbd came out. I assume that if dbd were to be released now it would have some or majority of perks they have in the game currently. At this point I hope vhs takes majority of dbd player base so that it forces them to actually put some work into anything but new chapters.

BHVR will never be able to make DbD good again. It's not a lack of work or anything, it's just that they don't know how to balance the game :

• they don't know how to design maps
• they don't know how to design perks
• they don't know what is OP or UP in the game
• they don't know how to do a proper matchmaking

That's the main problems, 5 years out and still they haven't a clue of what is good and bad for the game. Some exemples :

• Boon totems, especially CoH but we could go with NOED, Devour Hope, DS/BT/DH + fact that everyone can equip the exact same perk = no variety
• Terrible SBMM which is in fact a KBMM
• Too many pallets/windows
• Terribly unbalanced maps
• Terrible and boring killer design for most of them, honestly, only Blight/Nurse/Pinhead/Huntress/Trapper/Artist/Billy are original, everything else is M1 with some dumb power or another version of the same killer

Well i don't know how some of you guys are still playing everyday... i cannot play more than 4 games without being bored/frustrated to death.

danielmaster87

I don't know about Propnight. But with Friday and VHS they'd learn more of the same as they've been doing. Survivors being the power role and the killer getting stunned over and over again. At least in Friday when you're in rage mode you kind of become the power role, despite still being killable, spinnable, etc.

dugman

Never heard of Propnight, read the reviews on Steam and the negative reviews are pretty damn harsh, think I’ll skip it.