Perk tier lists after 5.4.0 (survivor and killer)

GannTM

Thoughts?

All of the survivor perks in Dead by Daylight. New ones will be added as they release!

All of the killer perks in Dead by Daylight. New ones will be added as they release!

nikodemo

Is sloppy really still this good in a world of CoH?

GannTM

@nikodemo said:

Is sloppy really still this good in a world of CoH?

It’s still pretty good tbh. I think it’s at the low end of A tier though and there are arguments for B.

GoodBoyKaru

@nikodemo said:

Is sloppy really still this good in a world of CoH?

Shockingly, when COH makes survivors heal over and over again, that 4 second increase really adds up.

COH helps challenge the "stay injured with DH and Smash gens" because of the convenience of it. If they're going to be healing constantly and killing your map pressure, you might as well make it take longer.

FFirebrandd

So... On the Killer side... honestly I think your C tier is far too populated and F tier is not populated enough. Like, Furtive Chase, Distressing, Hangman's Trick, Cruel Limits, and Doc's anti item perk could all possibly get thrown in F tier. Meanwhile, Agitiation and Oppression are both decent perks but are far better than some of the other perks you've got sharing their tier.

GannTM

@FFirebrandd said:

So... On the Killer side... honestly I think your C tier is far too populated and F tier is not populated enough. Like, Furtive Chase, Distressing, Hangman's Trick, Cruel Limits, and Doc's anti item perk could all possibly get thrown in F tier. Meanwhile, Agitiation and Oppression are both decent perks but are far better than some of the other perks you've got sharing their tier.

The perks in F tier are meant to be perks that have no real applications or just completely hinder you more than help you (No Mither and Predator). D tier perks like the ones you mentioned have some niche uses, for example Distressing can synergies with Doc or perks like Starstruck.

lauraa

With validation, I think Fearmonger ought to be higher up than a perk like Surveillance or Dead Mans Switch

Tr1nity

Forced pennance is at least high b tier.

Miles

best perk is combing A.L.T with the perk F ormula 4

CashelP14

If these are in order I'd be surprised so I'm going to assume not.

I really don't know how NOED isn't a S tier perk. It can single handily get you free kills at the end of the game. I don't like the perk but I don't think you can put it anywhere near B tier. Also personally don't agree with Discordance being S tier.

I also feel like Spine Chill needs to be S tier. The fact it basically destroys stealth, counters plenty of perks and gives increased vaulting speed means it has to be S tier.

IamFran

Discordance is not S tier, A tier maybe.

Sloppy and Nurse's Calling are way worse now since the CoH meta.

Monitor and Abuse is B and NOED is A.

Fearmonger and Agitation are B.

No way out is A.

GannTM

@CashelP14 said:

If these are in order I'd be surprised so I'm going to assume not.

I really don't know how NOED isn't a S tier perk. It can single handily get you free kills at the end of the game. I don't like the perk but I don't think you can put it anywhere near B tier. Also personally don't agree with Discordance being S tier.

I also feel like Spine Chill needs to be S tier. The fact it basically destroys stealth, counters plenty of perks and gives increased vaulting speed means it has to be S tier.

NOED is by far the most overrated perk in the whole game imo. The fact people think it’s OP is so mind boggling. Actually I know why, survivors constantly feed the killer altruism at the end game which is their fault. The perk relies so much on survivors being greedy and if survivors play smart, it could get you 1 kill at best.

Iliketoplaykiller

I would take at least ruin out of S tier its usually gone with undying most the time within the first few minutes of most games.

CashelP14

@GannTM said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2673327#Comment_2673327

NOED is by far the most overrated perk in the whole game imo. The fact people think it’s OP is so mind boggling. Actually I know why, survivors constantly feed the killer altruism at the end game which is their fault. The perk relies so much on survivors being greedy and if survivors play smart, it could get you 1 kill at best.

Still though it's one kill. I think any perk that virtually guarantees one kill should be S tier. At best it can end in a 4k.

KnotEnthusiast

@Tr1nity said:

Forced pennance is at least high b tier.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I vehemently disagree. 80 seconds of broken time means that to get any value out of it, you have to continue chasing the original injured person, down them, hook them if you have time or slug them, find the other person, and down them, all before their 80 seconds is up and they heal. I guess it has a small amount of use against people body blocking hooks, but unless they're running a dedicated fast self heal build, they would have stayed injured anyway. The time limit is too short and the constraints too narrow for it to be worth anything, much less an entire perk slot.

GannTM

@Tr1nity said:

Forced pennance is at least high b tier.

I mean your avatar is Forced Penance so I’ll let that slide.

Tr1nity

@KnotEnthusiast said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2673322#Comment_2673322

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I vehemently disagree. 80 seconds of broken time means that to get any value out of it, you have to continue chasing the original injured person, down them, hook them if you have time or slug them, find the other person, and down them, all before their 80 seconds is up and they heal. I guess it has a small amount of use against people body blocking hooks, but unless they're running a dedicated fast self heal build, they would have stayed injured anyway. The time limit is too short and the constraints too narrow for it to be worth anything, much less an entire perk slot.

I've been getting a lot of value from it against Boon: Circle of Healing.

WeenieDog

I feel like deja vu should at least be C tier. It's free and reveals one of the most critical things at the start: the three gen.

lav3

Windows should be A. There's no cooldown now and make easier where to go and not go.

I like Alert but A is bit overrated imo. It's hard to make most use because of Nurse and Ruin.

Quick and Quiet and Dance With Me should be both one tier lower. Dance With Me is so bad and Qnq is well-evaluated even if it's B.

I don't think Distortion is as good as other B tier perks. Honestly, I would put it in the same tier as Off the Record.

I know BBQ is useful for both BP and tracking but it should be A. Knowing survivors' location is good but 40m further away restriction is what make this A.

Whispers should be lower. It is for people who are confident of killing 3 most of time but mostly no space to use it.

Fearmonger, Agitation, Hex: Pentimento, Franklin's can be A or B tier. At least, B.

Oppression might be suitable for B but considering its cooldown.. C could be right.

Bitter Murmur, Surge, Grim Embrace is overrated. If Grim Embrace activation required 3 tokens, this could be higher than B but currently it isn't.

NOED should be either A or S. Killers are likely to get more hook counts with this. It's ambiguous as killers might not get any profits if the game ends with few generators un-repaired. But using this for unexpected situations is still good in my opinion. Survivors might not get any value from Adrenaline, Decisive Strike or Unbreakable but they are often used.

All perks below B tier are really bad that I don't know where to start and correct them.

Tr1nity

Could I get a link?

TransverseCaster

@FFirebrandd said:

So... On the Killer side... honestly I think your C tier is far too populated and F tier is not populated enough. Like, Furtive Chase, Distressing, Hangman's Trick, Cruel Limits, and Doc's anti item perk could all possibly get thrown in F tier. Meanwhile, Agitiation and Oppression are both decent perks but are far better than some of the other perks you've got sharing their tier.

Like, Furtive Chase, Distressing, Hangman's Trick, Cruel Limits, and Doc's anti item perk could all possibly get thrown in F tier. Meanwhile, Agitiation and Oppression are both decent perks but are far better than some of the other perks you've got sharing their tier.

Very agreeable!

TransverseCaster

@GannTM said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2673322#Comment_2673322

I mean your avatar is Forced Penance so I’ll let that slide.

I consider my favorite perk F tier because it has a 40 second cool down for no reason (I'm All Ears).

Furtive Chase would be good too if the obsession dying thing didn't cancel it out. Especially since obsessions change due to DS anyways. It really undermines the perk.

GannTM

@Tr1nity said:

Could I get a link?

Just edited the post. The links are there.

dugman

Nice list. 😄 I think I'm onboard with a lot of these placements. Just skimming through if I were doing a personal list I might switch a few around a bit:

• Stridor might be better than F tier, it's only really bad when a survivor has Iron Will 3. But if they don't then it can help locate nearby hidden survivors you otherwise might have trouble hearing.
• Unrelenting isn't great but maybe slightly better than F tier. It really depends on how often you miss juking survivors probably. It's useless for a veteran who never misses attacks, but for a newer player it could make up for a miss and allow them to still get a survivor on a second swing before they extend the chase too much.
• Predator could be ok (not great) if it still allowed scratches to appear on walls so you can spot them at a distance. It definitely makes it easier to follow a survivor's path barring something like Shadowstep, etc.
• I've never been a big fan of BBQ and Chili since I don't care about the bloodpoint bonus. I took a poll a while back on this as well and if I remember right it was a 50/50 split among people saying that if BBQ and Chili had no Bloodpoint Bonus they wouldn't use it. I could see it in A or B tier, not S, unless you actually care about the bloodpoint bonus.
• Brutal Strength seems more like a C tier perk to me. It can ok if you pair it with something else that lets you take advantage of the extra kicking speed, but on its own it seems a bit weak.
• I'd put Franklin's in B tier, it's decent on its own and excellent for certain killers and builds.
• I think Bloodhound is probably B or C tier. It's a bit like Nurse's Calling, except instead of the aura you get a trail right to the injured person, even if they're not actively healing. Plus because it doesn't use an aura it's not effected by Shadowstep. It's not quite as good as Nurse's Calling, but it's pretty useful.
• In the heal heavy meta Forced Penance might be C tier instead of D, especially with survivors doing rescues and body blocks in your face because they're at full health and know they can heal quickly.
• No Way Out is A tier, maybe even S tier. Getting an extra 60 seconds at the end of the match where nobody can escape AND you know exactly which gate they went to can mean an easy extra hook or two. Especially if you're of the opinion it's too hard to stop gens from being completed, this is a perk that basically gives you 3 Pop Goes the Weasel procs for free at the end of the game plus the noise alert where they are.
• Devour Hope - I love this perk, I'm not sure if it's A or B tier though in this era of heavy totem cleansing and blessing. I've had some awesome results from it, but also games where it just does literally nothing. Most hexes at least do SOMETHING before they're cleansed, but Devour Hope has zero effect if it's cleansed before you can get an Exposed hit from it. I've probably gotten more Exposed downs early from Haunted Grounds than Devour Hope. But on the other hand, those handful of games where you actually get to Mori an entire team are very satisfying!

GannTM

@dugman said:

Nice list. 😄 I think I'm onboard with a lot of these placements. Just skimming through if I were doing a personal list I might switch a few around a bit:

• Stridor might be better than F tier, it's only really bad when a survivor has Iron Will 3. But if they don't then it can help locate nearby hidden survivors you otherwise might have trouble hearing.
• Unrelenting isn't great but maybe slightly better than F tier. It really depends on how often you miss juking survivors probably. It's useless for a veteran who never misses attacks, but for a newer player it could make up for a miss and allow them to still get a survivor on a second swing before they extend the chase too much.
• Predator could be ok (not great) if it still allowed scratches to appear on walls so you can spot them at a distance. It definitely makes it easier to follow a survivor's path barring something like Shadowstep, etc.
• I've never been a big fan of BBQ and Chili since I don't care about the bloodpoint bonus. I took a poll a while back on this as well and if I remember right it was a 50/50 split among people saying that if BBQ and Chili had no Bloodpoint Bonus they wouldn't use it. I could see it in A or B tier, not S, unless you actually care about the bloodpoint bonus.
• Brutal Strength seems more like a C tier perk to me. It can ok if you pair it with something else that lets you take advantage of the extra kicking speed, but on its own it seems a bit weak.
• I'd put Franklin's in B tier, it's decent on its own and excellent for certain killers and builds.
• I think Bloodhound is probably B or C tier. It's a bit like Nurse's Calling, except instead of the aura you get a trail right to the injured person, even if they're not actively healing. Plus because it doesn't use an aura it's not effected by Shadowstep. It's not quite as good as Nurse's Calling, but it's pretty useful.
• In the heal heavy meta Forced Penance might be C tier instead of D, especially with survivors doing rescues and body blocks in your face because they're at full health and know they can heal quickly.
• No Way Out is A tier, maybe even S tier. Getting an extra 60 seconds at the end of the match where nobody can escape AND you know exactly which gate they went to can mean an easy extra hook or two. Especially if you're of the opinion it's too hard to stop gens from being completed, this is a perk that basically gives you 3 Pop Goes the Weasel procs for free at the end of the game plus the noise alert where they are.
• Devour Hope - I love this perk, I'm not sure if it's A or B tier though in this era of heavy totem cleansing and blessing. I've had some awesome results from it, but also games where it just does literally nothing. Most hexes at least do SOMETHING before they're cleansed, but Devour Hope has zero effect if it's cleansed before you can get an Exposed hit from it. I've probably gotten more Exposed downs early from Haunted Grounds than Devour Hope. But on the other hand, those handful of games where you actually get to Mori an entire team are very satisfying!

After your take on Unrelenting, I can see it being D. I put Technician in D because it helps with new players and Unrelenting does too. Probably could’ve done the same thing with both when ranking them.

Tr1nity

@GannTM said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2673593#Comment_2673593

Just edited the post. The links are there.

Thanks :)