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Can Anyone Explain Me New Pallet System

Northener1907 Northener1907
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First i don't know other zones but for Europe, we all playing on one server. UK, Russia, Spain, France, Turkey etc. Even Arabia, Israel. This is really so huge area, so many countries. And sometimes i am seeing people from even Africa, just think how big zone we are talking about.


Anyway my question is this. With new system, server will decide did pallet drop early or i hit early. But is not this unfair for people who is not near to server? Will people close to the server not be advantageous? I don't know how to ping system working but my internet is pretty good. But i am not living near to servers. So this will make me disadvantaged? How this will work? If people who is near server will get advantages, then they have to open more servers for my zone. West Europe, East Europe, Middle East etc. But this will make queques so long right? If this system works like this, this is pretty stupid change. This is clearly middle finger to people who are far from this server, is not it?


Please people who know this, light me

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  • DelsKibara DelsKibara

    I don't know how to really explain this to you.

    I live right next to the server and I'm getting screwed over by it. It's actually messing up my Huntress and Deathslinger shots severely. But what's worse with Deathslinger is that you don't get feedback if you hit or not, you just miss. So it makes me feel like I'm getting shittier as Deathslinger.

  • Northener1907 Northener1907

    @DelsKibara said:

    I don't know how to really explain this to you.

    I live right next to the server and I'm getting screwed over by it. It's actually messing up my Huntress and Deathslinger shots severely. But what's worse with Deathslinger is that you don't get feedback if you hit or not, you just miss. So it makes me feel like I'm getting shittier as Deathslinger.

    I don't know will they fix it but i am so near to stop play killer. Playing killer is already stresful and seem like devs wanna make it worse.

  • EntitySpawn EntitySpawn

    Well it's not on ping, so I guess closest to server wins? I dunno my 40ping loses to 60+ping, I feel they need to slightly adjust the window of what's a hit and not for roll back.

    They shouldn't get a burst of speed but not get injured :/

  • Northener1907 Northener1907

    @EntitySpawn said:

    Well it's not on ping, so I guess closest to server wins? I dunno my 40ping loses to 60+ping, I feel they need to slightly adjust the window of what's a hit and not for roll back.

    They shouldn't get a burst of speed but not get injured :/

    Well then if they gonna do this, then we all need more servers. Why people who is near to server will have more advantages? Just all Europe and Middle East are playing on same server. This is stupid, so many people will get punish for this. If they don't gonna fix this, then killer games will end for me.


    Other online games are doing this. For best ping, they are opening so much servers. This system works for them. But DbD has Rock Age servers and codes. And there is not so much DbD servers.

  • Aknoton Aknoton

    @Customapple0 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2398776#Comment_2398776

    Everything you said is a lie. Please educate yourself on the hit validation before making false statements.

    How about you play survivor, get hit then immediately throw down a pallet, see how that goes for you?

    How about playing killer, hitting a survivor, hearing him scream, seeing the hit visually, and then seeing that the game decided it wasn't? Where is the killer's fault here? How can I even plan the moment of the impact if the game can cancel it at any moment so that the survivor does not get upset? I play both sides, what is happening now is not normal.

  • Kees_T Kees_T

    Basically, the player with the best ping have priority, accoring to their post, in some words, they said: "The server will judge these two conditions:

    • The Survivor dropped a pallet, and has a stun event to send to the server
    • The Killer hits a Survivor and has a pending hit to send to the server

    So, the server will only allow one thing to happen: Either you drop a pallet and stun the Killer without being hit, or you drop a pallet, stun the Killer and get hit.

    The first one who comes (Stun event or Hit event) will be selected, and the second will be rejected."

    This change is great because high ping Killer won't land unfair hits on Survivors. It looks unfair sometimes but I think it's a great band-aid fix for pallet hits.

  • SilentPill SilentPill

    @Northener1907 said:

    First i don't know other zones but for Europe, we all playing on one server. UK, Russia, Spain, France, Turkey etc. Even Arabia, Israel. This is really so huge area, so many countries. And sometimes i am seeing people from even Africa, just think how big zone we are talking about.

    Anyway my question is this. With new system, server will decide did pallet drop early or i hit early. But is not this unfair for people who is not near to server? Will people close to the server not be advantageous? I don't know how to ping system working but my internet is pretty good. But i am not living near to servers. So this will make me disadvantaged? How this will work? If people who is near server will get advantages, then they have to open more servers for my zone. West Europe, East Europe, Middle East etc. But this will make queques so long right? If this system works like this, this is pretty stupid change. This is clearly middle finger to people who are far from this server, is not it?

    Please people who know this, light me

    The survivor drops the pallet and gets invincibility frames. I have 150GB/s downloads and regularly hit someone through a pallet, hear the scream, get the blood splash on the screen…..and the survivor just walks away. Happens with both melee and ranged attacks.

  • Bwsted Bwsted

    @Aknoton said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2398798#Comment_2398798

    How about playing killer, hitting a survivor, hearing him scream, seeing the hit visually, and then seeing that the game decided it wasn't? Where is the killer's fault here? How can I even plan the moment of the impact if the game can cancel it at any moment so that the survivor does not get upset? I play both sides, what is happening now is not normal.

    How about playing survivor, you pull down the pallet, you see the pallet down, you see the stun score event, you see the killer swing after the pallet is fully down and you get hit from the other side? How's that the survivor's fault, even if that has happened for years?

    The new system.simply makes it the same for both sides. The player who completes the action first and communicates it to the server first takes priority. Contrary to what happened before where lagging killers could get ridiculous hits.

    The visual feedback of the interaction needs to be improved, I agree. But from a gameplay standpoint, there's no preferential treatment for either side.

  • GoodBoyKaru GoodBoyKaru

    @Mercês gave a really good explanation on it, and why a lot of these hits look iffy and how even having a really good connection doesn't guarantee no validation; I'd give it a read.

    @Mercês said:

    "Stun validation has been added to the hit validator. If a Killer has a pending stun on the server, the server will reject the hit. This will be most noticeably in situations such as a Killer who is attacking at the same time a survivor is throwing a pallet, and it should reduce instances where survivors appear to take damage after stunning a Killer."

    I work in the field, so let me explain on a technical level why it looks so weird but why this change is necessary.

    The most awkward situations happen when:

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    FIRST SCENARIO. KILLER HAS A LOW PING, BUT ATTACKS ALMOST AT THE SAME TIME.

    (*) The server queue look like this.

    [Survivor A] [13:32:12:14] [Pallet drop] [Location X] (*1)
(Outcome) [Killer] [Status update] [Stun]
[Killer] [13:32:12:18] [Hit register] [Survivor A] (*2)

    I'm supposing that killer's ping is 20ms, while survivors' is 30ms.

    (*) The survivor perspective look like this.

    [Survivor] [13:32:11:44] [Pallet drop] [Location X]

    Note that survivor (in real time) dropped the pallet at [13:32:11:44], with the 30ms delay, the server received that the Survivor dropped the pallet at [13:32:12:14] (*1).

    (*) The killer queue look like this.

    [Killer] [13:32:11:58] [Hit register] [Survivor A] 
[Survivor] [13:32:13:04] [Pallet drop] [Location X]

    Note that the killer hit the survivor at [13:32:11:28], with the 20ms delay, the server received that the killer hit the survivor at [13:32:12:18] (*2).

    In the other hand, notice that the killer received that the pallet was dropped at [13:32:13:04], 90ms after the actual drop, because the server has to receive this input from the survivor (+30ms), and send to the killer(+20ms).

    Notice that more extreme scenarios can happen if the killer has a higher ping than survivor but hits before the stun.

    As you can see, there's no doubt that the survivor dropped the pallet early. Mathematically, this awkward situation will always happen when action_registered(survivor's clock + survivor's latency) < action_registered(killer's clock + killer's latency). As there's no doubt that the survivor dropped the pallet early than it received the attack (in real life time), It's safe to say that (*2) can be safely removed from the server's queue, since it doesn't make sense in our real life time. Unfortunately, doesn't make sense on killer's perspective.

    -----------------------

    SECOND SCENARIO. KILLER HAS A HIGH PING, BUT HITS BEFORE THE PALLET DROP.

    (*) The server queue look like this.

    [Survivor A] [13:32:12:14] [Pallet drop] [Location X] (*1)
(Outcome) [Killer] [Status update] [Stun]
[Killer] [13:32:12:18] [Hit register] [Survivor A] (*2)

    I'm supposing that killer's ping is 60ms, while survivors' is 30ms.

    (*) The survivor perspective look like this.

    [Survivor] [13:32:11:44] [Pallet drop] [Location X]

    Note that survivor (in real time) dropped the pallet at [13:32:11:44], with the 30ms delay, the server received that the Survivor dropped the pallet at [13:32:12:14] (*1).

    (*) The killer queue look like this.

    [Killer] [13:32:11:58] [Hit register] [Survivor A] 
[Survivor] [13:32:12:34] [Pallet drop] [Location X]

    Note that the killer hit the survivor at [13:32:11:58], with the 60ms delay, the server received that the killer hit the survivor at [13:32:12:18] (*2).

    In the other hand, notice that the killer received that the pallet was dropped at [13:32:12:34], 90ms after the actual drop, because the server has to receive this input from the survivor (+30ms), and send to the killer(+60ms).

    This second scenario is the unfortunate one. But as you can see, if the killer has such a high latency, the survivor didn't had time to react the attack, or the animation, because it didn't even appeared on their screen because wasn't processed in the server yet. It's the kind of situation that the pallet is fully dropped and you suddenly get down. Makes no sense from the survivor's perspective.

    -----------------------

    People comment and upvote so more people can understand a little more about this. If your hit gets negleted by the server (1) you got stunned before, in real life time (2) you need to call your provider to ask for a better connection, or blame DbD's team for a poor server location.


  • theplaggg theplaggg

    You basically can't hit through pallets anymore. It will favor the survivor 90% of the time. Now can greed pallet even easier.

  • Northener1907 Northener1907

    @Kees_T said:

    Basically, the player with the best ping have priority, accoring to their post, in some words, they said: "The server will judge these two conditions:

    • The Survivor dropped a pallet, and has a stun event to send to the server
    • The Killer hits a Survivor and has a pending hit to send to the server

    So, the server will only allow one thing to happen: Either you drop a pallet and stun the Killer without being hit, or you drop a pallet, stun the Killer and get hit.

    The first one who comes (Stun event or Hit event) will be selected, and the second will be rejected."

    This change is great because high ping Killer won't land unfair hits on Survivors. It looks unfair sometimes but I think it's a great band-aid fix for pallet hits.

    Then they have to open more servers. You think people have high ping because they wanna this? They are not near to server. This will give high advantages to who is near to server. West Europe, East Europe, South Africa and Middle East. This 4 zones are playing on one server. West Europe players will have advantage against other zones. How this is fair?

  • Northener1907 Northener1907

    @GoodBoyKaru said:

    @Mercês gave a really good explanation on it, and why a lot of these hits look iffy and how even having a really good connection doesn't guarantee no validation; I'd give it a read.

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/269241/explaining-why-stun-validation-looks-weird-but-makes-sense-on-a-technical-level

    Okey thank you but this is not answer of my question actually.


    @Northener1907 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2399217#Comment_2399217

    Then they have to open more servers. You think people have high ping because they wanna this? They are not near to server. This will give high advantages to who is near to server. West Europe, East Europe, South Africa and Middle East. This 4 zones are playing on one server. West Europe players will have advantage against other zones. How this is fair?

    This is my question. I don't know other zones but in Europe we all playing on one server. And this makes some people have higher ping than others. This is our fault. This is problem and BHVR have to fix this.

  • WeirdlyBearded WeirdlyBearded

    @Customapple0 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2398776#Comment_2398776

    Everything you said is a lie. Please educate yourself on the hit validation before making false statements.

    How about you play survivor, get hit then immediately throw down a pallet, see how that goes for you?

    Ive full on hit a survivor, saw the blood splatter from it? Heard the squish from the hit, and still got pallet stunned while they ran away! Ran away! Not even injured. This has happened to me 3 times now!!!

  • GoodBoyKaru GoodBoyKaru

    @Northener1907 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2399231#Comment_2399231

    Okey thank you but this is not answer of my question actually.

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2399260#Comment_2399260

    This is my question. I don't know other zones but in Europe we all playing on one server. And this makes some people have higher ping than others. This is our fault. This is problem and BHVR have to fix this.

    Sorry, I read the title and nothing more and just assumed it'd be someone wanting to know how it works and not a specific question

  • GoodBoyKaru GoodBoyKaru

    @Northener1907 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2399231#Comment_2399231

    Okey thank you but this is not answer of my question actually.

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2399260#Comment_2399260

    This is my question. I don't know other zones but in Europe we all playing on one server. And this makes some people have higher ping than others. This is our fault. This is problem and BHVR have to fix this.

    We have 2 servers, actually, though its not like its much better. There's a server in London, England, and a server in Frankfurt, Germany.

    (sorry for commenting twice I scrolled up and thought you were a different person. I am very tired rn)

  • Northener1907 Northener1907

    @GoodBoyKaru said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2399272#Comment_2399272

    We have 2 servers, actually, though its not like its much better. There's a server in London, England, and a server in Frankfurt, Germany.

    Both them in West Europe then. But all East Europe, South Europe, North Africa and Middle East are playing on this servers. 2 more servers can make pings more fair.

  • GoodBoyKaru GoodBoyKaru

    @Northener1907 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2399484#Comment_2399484

    Both them in West Europe then. But all East Europe, South Europe, North Africa and Middle East are playing on this servers. 2 more servers can make pings more fair.

    Oh I agree it's not great, but it's substantially better than a single one.

    I wish we had more servers too, but we have to rely on Amazon having servers in those countries that BHVR have the patience and money to maintain

  • EvilJoshy EvilJoshy

    @Lovemeplease said:

    Survivor gets dibs basically on pallet. Even if you hit them before they drop pallet it doesn’t count. Basically it just allows for pallet camping with no repurcussions

    Reminds me of the days of pallet vacuum -.-

  • Northener1907 Northener1907

    @GoodBoyKaru said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2399493#Comment_2399493

    Oh I agree it's not great, but it's substantially better than a single one.

    I wish we had more servers too, but we have to rely on Amazon having servers in those countries that BHVR have the patience and money to maintain

    Oh yea, this is not going to happen then. New pallet idea is working like other online games. But other online games have so much servers. With this way, they makes ping better. But with new pallet system will punish people, who is not near to servers sadly.

    I don't believe but i hope we can take more servers for DbD

  • Warcrafter4 Warcrafter4

    @Customapple0 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2398776#Comment_2398776

    Everything you said is a lie. Please educate yourself on the hit validation before making false statements.

    How about you play survivor, get hit then immediately throw down a pallet, see how that goes for you?

    Dude I have been halfway through an attack cooldown(1.5 seconds) then have had it rolled back.

    I'm sorry but I do not have 1500 ping nor does it spike like that for me in DbD as that would be unplayable.

    I have even had this same extreme rollback happen with head-on stuns.

    So its either so survivor sided that its the lagiest survivor wins or the entire rollback system is dysfunctional.

  • MadmegMain MadmegMain

    If the pallet was half way down on the survivors screen before you swung you dont get the hit. Its buggy currently but not that hard

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