Nemisis is not fun to play against
I really enjoy playing as Nemi but every time I get him as a survivor its just sucks the fun out of the game. He can pull out that whip so fast that pallets and windows are useless against him. He needs a nerf. Make it take longer to pull out the whip or have a longer recover from using it. Right now its basically a STBL as a MS with RANGE
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His "power" is that he needs to hit survivors a 50% more often to get a down, than any other killer.
Huntress has it far easier to down survivors through pallts and windows. Yet, people complain that they should nerf a already weak killer.
I started counting how often i face Nemesis as solo on red ranks and its less than once in 10 matches. People already stopped playing him on high ranks, because he just can´t compete with the gen speeds.
I think this is because his power during chase just feels like a carbon copy of a few recent killers. The zombies add a new dynamic, although too minimal.
He is fun to play against, I don’t have any problems with him. But most people who play him are tunneling so that’s the boring thing
Honestly I think when people get good with him that number will decrease.
I agree. Survivors are defenseless. We can loop, use pallets and windows, or run. They’re slowly taking away loops, have removed pallets, and boarded windows. Now we have killers who can hit over/ under pallets or just right through them lol. It sucks honestly.
Your arguments have good points to them and I agree.
I agree with your points. Many confuse unfun with op.
Oh dude please don't give him a nerf. He definitely doesn't need one.
I personally find him fun to go against. There are certain situations where you do not have counterplay against him, while you would have counterplay against other killers. Which is when running at a pallet or window from an straight angle and he can just whip you. His counterplay is more limited than against other killers. But he definitely has counterplay, thanks to his limited range, decreased speed while holding his ability and his 1.5 seconds cooldown when canceling his ability. And making it take longer to activate his ability would cripple him I feel.
If he'd get more map pressure with zombies focusing on gens and not getting stuck so much, and maybe a few other small buffs, I feel like a nerf like this would be fine. But at the moment, Nemesis arguably needs some small buffs, no nerfs.
Imagine taking a second to observe how he plays and make calls like "He is gonna commit to an m2 so I should bait the window and then run around instead" There is a clear sound tell, and it only has so much range, If people are letting him get to T2 and T3, that's on you for legit auto piloting every loop you go to, which is like 80 percent of the survivor playerbase. People forget hiding, juking are actual things.
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OP literally said, "He needs a nerf."
It would be so nice if there was some kind of mechanic where you could get rid of infected status.....SIIGHH I guess we will just never be able to deal with OP killers that take 3 hits to down someone, hopefully BHVR releases a 4 hit killer next. Now THAT would be a fun killer to vs!
I get that feeling too.
When I play against him he tears through pallets super fast and can hit over tiles and through windows easily.
When I play as him though his tentacle doesnt seem that fast at breaking pallets and its hard to hit survivors over tiles and through windows.
And im pretty sure ive only seen green rank through yello rank nemmys.
Idk
I personally don't find him OP, just annoying because of his Zombie + Ruin synergy. Once he forces a 3-gen, effectively the game is going to stop because zombies will eventually start patrolling the 3-gen area, allowing you to keep the area on lock down. Not much you can do at that point, with or without Ruin active because of the amount of control he has.
His M2 is fine, but can understand where people are coming from. Most tiles are pretty dangerous, then when you add a M2 115% ranged killer into the mix, you get into situations where you're forced to take a M2. However, the developers are smart and foresaw this, which then they added supply crates to remove the virus — effectively undoing the M2 and delaying Nemesis' M2 until vaccines are exhausted.
His tentacle keeps downing me through dead hard. Perks totally useless against him. In fact the perk has become even more useless against every killer recently.
Who cares about nemesis the zombies are loads of fun for everyone
His addons look rushed. I mean, look at licker tongue. It does literally nothing. Just as his infection. There should be some kind of downside to being infected. Or why do we have a addons that revolve around the chests? Instead of having something that improves his tentacle?
It's more effective to use his m1 instead of his m2. Streamers that tried using his m2 only, ended up with 3 hooks by the time the gates were powered. That can't be his "power".
I don't want him nerfed, I think he's pretty mediocre. But its a Spirit or Legion situation where the only outcome of not getting hit is the killer being bad. A weak killer that isn't fun to play against is the worst of both worlds. Not even mentioning the fact that his power is just a hollow copy of Pyramid.
Wait, I thought we were being upset about infection hits being jkust hold W to win, now we're encouraging using the vaccines that just make him worse to play?
He's boring for both sides.
His whips hitbox is pretty wacky. So he´s prone to miss even very close hits. Compare that to Huntress or Pizzahead. Which both are much stronger then Nemesis.
It seems incredibly inconsistent with waist high objects, which doesn't seem intentional. I'd consdier him significantly stronger than those two at the kind of loops you get in the center of Azarov's, for example. Huntress has tons of clipping issues on those and using PPs projectile on those is a crapshoot, at least until the pallet drop starts.
I don't think he's too OP especially because he has to hit you 3 times if you aren't infected. He is pretty weak at the start.
Now his new perk to see everyone for 7 seconds at the start of game has changed the start of the match. I'm not a huge fan of reveal perks, especially when you can't know or predict you are being revealed.
I've always thought Survivors should get a notification when revealed, like the skull icon when you are exposed. I understand this nerfs reveal perks overall but, like I said, I'm not a huge fan of them and find them to be OP.
Ok, but chases are not the only killer-survivor interaction, and not all players play the game as a chase-simulator. For me, the stealth part is much more thrilling than just a simple chase where i run in circles and camp every palett. But i never saw a statistic on what people like about the game, so if you have one, i would like to see it.
That a vocal part of this forum prefer it, i know. But thats all data i have on the subject so far.
Same experience. Nearly every match I've had against Nemesis they have tunneled to a far greater extent than I've seen in a long time. I've seen several matches where a Nemesis has completely ignored survivors right next to them to go find the one they're tunneling. Don't get me wrong. That's their choice. It's just been really strange to see.
Not fun at all. On dead dawg last night, 2 gens had zombies on them and Nemesis was just tunnelling 1 at a time. We only got 1 gen done.
he's just another killer you have to hold W against, for some reason they really love to make the newer killers have some dumb way to ignore loops and interactions, you know the main thing that survivors have.
I've started holding W against the majority of killers now. Less Pallets, more dead zones, and new loops that promote 'mindgames' see: killer swaps direction and lunges and hits you through the pallet drop just makes the juicy W button the best time waster, and now i've seen posts saying people want that nerfed too lol.
At close range the hatches are instant. Even then they have a bigger hit box