Reason of High Kill Rates?

What are you thinking? What is reason of rates? Lets discuss.

Killers are so op? Maps are unfair? Generators are slow? Survivors are bad? Killers are so good? Or something else?

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  • A combination of everything, my take on this is that there's multiple borders that a player needs to cross to have the minimal chance of having a fair match.

    A - Problems with matchmaking:

    1 - You have to be lucky enough to be matched with 3 other players that are around the same skill level which is something that rarely happens.

    2 - You have to be matched with people who are willing to play the game, basically people who will not go AFK, disconnect or troll during the whole match.


    B - Problems with how the game works:

    1 - This is supposed to be a team based game without the tools to act as a team (at least for solo queue) you are supposed to perform a very specific task (lets remember that the game is just not about repairing generators but knowing which ones to repair otherwise you end up 3 gen'd and will most likely lose) you are supposed to do this very specific task on solo queue basically with a team that's blind, deaf and mute since there is no communication between players, this is why SWF are so powerful compared to solo.

    2 - At the same time the game is about efficiency (basically knowing when to stay/leave a generator) that's a problem for solo queue survivors as most of them don't know if another survivor is being chased or camped which leads to lots of players wasting time (again part of the problem being no communication) sometimes you can see that a survivor is repairing a generator and leaves it to try to unhook someone else (despite the fact that the hooked person can be very far away) simply to arrive at the hook and realize there's already another player unhooking the survivor, this simple action took away 3 survivors from doing generators when 1 could have finished a generator if the survivor repairing the generator knew someone else was already going to unhook, this problem is again due to having to work as a team without the tools to actually work as a team.

  • Rather than saying it is because of bad survivors or killers it's just that the average skill of the playerbase isn't very high which leads to killers getting those high kill rates. Killers have lower skill floor than survivors but higher skill ceiling.

    In addition to this the killer only has to rely on him/herself and no one else, which is both good and bad, when it comes to the stress you feel in game, where as one bad survivor can throw the game for the survivors by giving the killer snowball potential at the wrong time, which can be hard to recover from.

  • @Troman said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2289107#Comment_2289107

    So, was matchmaking god-like when the game just released and Killers had 30% killrate? It's a rhetorical question. No need to answer.

    I don't see how this would apply in any way.

    am I wrong in what I said?

  • @Orion said:

    Survivors DC/give up at the drop of a hat. That'd be my guess.

    @Alice_pbg said:

    survivors get to red ranks easily. so a lot of red ranks aren't actually very good at the game.

    a single bad survivor on a team potentially turns it into a 3v1. which is a lot easier for killers to deal with.

    @CoalTower said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2289066#Comment_2289066

    If they did this, every killrate would 100% drop below 30%

    @Adjatha

    The stats don't include games with a dc as far as I know. The 2020 stats were revealed on stream and apparently they said this on the topic of dcs:

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  • Survivors are not motivated to get better at the game, because no one cares if they played poorly, while killers get teabagged and trash talked and then learn to play better to avoid that or get revenge.

    Also it’s harder for survivors to learn how to counter specific killers because they don’t control what killers they verse, while killer players can play a day or two with a certain killer only and learn their ability better.

  • @Northener1907 said:

    What are you thinking? What is reason of rates? Lets discuss.

    Killers are so op? Maps are unfair? Generators are slow? Survivors are bad? Killers are so good? Or something else?

    Excessive altruism has gotten me more kills than absolutely anything else over the years. Most Survivors will go to insane lengths to save someone from dying and I thank them for the free kills and BP.

  • @Sluzzy said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2288991#Comment_2288991

    Just finished a match that Ruin won the game. On the game map where it is impossible to find totems. I saw with my own eyes 2 gens completely reset.

    All survivors red ranks and it was a purple Nemesis. Killers are winning because of their perks and perks like counterforce are too weak. Blast Mine don't even help against Ruin. Why does it not counter POP completely? Game is just way too killer sided.

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 man this is gold...sluzzy do you ever play killer? And you are a red rank 1 survivor🤯

  • @Northener1907 said:

    @Sluzzy what is your opinion about that?

    Why summon a great evil

  • @bibibib8 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2288996#Comment_2288996

    People are too busy to boop the snoot that why they die

    This is true. Used to get so many more before. Not too many even attempting it these days.

  • @Northener1907 said:

    What are you thinking? What is reason of rates? Lets discuss.

    Killers are so op? Maps are unfair? Generators are slow? Survivors are bad? Killers are so good? Or something else?

    Did I miss something, what stats are you referencing. Is it something that is recent or something from months back?

  • Overconfident survivors lingering on gens and engaging in needless chases.

    1. Alcohol - perhaps the most underestimated reason in survivors poor decision making. Just like driving while drunk, looping while drunk can end in not only your death, but the deaths of those around you.
    2. Lack of a strategic understanding of which gens to do first and which ones to wait on.
    3. Lack of understanding on how to loop different types of killers.
    4. Teammates who open exits when they shouldn’t.
    5. Teammates who let you die on your first hook because they are screwing around.

    Thats just a handful off the top of my head. It’s casual players mixed with good players.

  • @konchok said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/259217/reason-of-high-kill-rates

    Did I miss something, what stats are you referencing. Is it something that is recent or something from months back?

    Probably the 2019 stats unless we have recent one i did not see because i dont have social media

  • @Aven_Fallen said:

    Killers dominating casual SWFs and Solos. Those are groups which are weaker than Killers.

    First Hook-Suicides and DCs will also be a little bit, but not really that impactful IMO.

    In general, those Killrates dont say much, except that Killer is not as bad as people claim it to be.

    the thing is they dont use DC games to calculate killrates. Suicides? Yes.

    All the games where the killer wipes the floor after the first survivor DCs dont add to the already high kill rate.

  • I think its because survivors are dying

  • I mean, the game has been catered to killers for the past few months, this doesn’t surprise me.

  • Its not that survivors are bad, its that everybody is bad. The average solo queue survivors don't seem to do gens and don't understand when and how to make hook saves. Meanwhile, your average killers have so little confidence in their ability to chase or defend generator that they tunnel by default. And because survivors can't make clean saves, they have plenty of opportunites to tunnel.

  • @GeneralV said:

    Countless reasons, actually.

    Take Piggy, for example. She is a weak killer, but her kill rates are impressive. My guess is that most survivors have no idea what to do against her, since it is possible to reach Red Ranks without ever seeing one.

    It's because she had one set of two really unfair addons that arguably pit her in a tier

  • Solo ques make the majority of the player base (solo que is miserable)

    Killers can play scumy and get easy 4ks if survivors aren't coordinated ( refer to previous)

    The game is initially killer sided ( until a 4 man swift filled with meta perks and a map happen)

    And biggest of all is probably the large influx if new players over the past year getting boned by all of the above

  • I do feel peoples opinions involving killer strength involves a great amount of group think. A few popular youtubers proclaim who the strongest killers are and all of a sudden all of their disciples on the the various forums parrot this as the iron clad general consensus. It is literally impossible to have a conversation with such people using facts, evidence and statistics. Some people go into a cult rage of personal attacks if you say the nurse overall isn't really that great of a killer. There was a $25,000 tournament in Japan and a very popular streamer saw that they chose the pig they literally burst out laughing. Everyone else on the stream was like, "OMG why choose the pig. That killer is so foolish." Of course the pig is an excellent choice and is an extremely powerful killer in the game. But nobody would know this listening to the consensus, or watching most celebrity DBD television.

  • @latinfla4 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2289098#Comment_2289098

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 man this is gold...sluzzy do you ever play killer? And you are a red rank 1 survivor🤯

    Sluzzy is Nurse main lol

  • @ClumsyTrapper said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2288996#Comment_2288996

    It's because she had one set of two really unfair addons that arguably pit her in a tier

    Yeah, she has a really strong combo, but I don't think this is enough to make her kill rates skyrocket.

  • @JPLongstreet said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2289270#Comment_2289270

    This is true. Used to get so many more before. Not too many even attempting it these days.

    Piggies usually attempt to mutilate my face when I attempt to boop their snoot. So now I just avoid them and blend into the bushes.

  • @Huge_Bush said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2289601#Comment_2289601

    Piggies usually attempt to mutilate my face when I attempt to boop their snoot. So now I just avoid them and blend into the bushes.

    Some of my sister Amanda Pandas can be, umm... a little high spirited.

  • @van9684 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/259217/reason-of-high-kill-rates

    Killers are op plain and simple. Plus they keep taking away survivor things like pallets and windows, even making killers that can hit over those now.

    if you are a casual player with a life outside this game, you won’t ever be able to enjoy it unless you play killer or grind survivor hours. That is why the kill rates are so high. That and devs only hear from red rank streamers and most forums users are killer players.

    Because Solo Q teammates are too casual

  • @Devotion said:

    The game is killer sided now. I love how no one will admit that. the excuses in this thread are funny.

    But ... but ... survivors are just all bad and killers are god-like, doesn't it explain everything, no?

  • @MarcoPoloYolo said:

    Oh yeah, forgot to add this. Survivor's egos. I'm sure many killer mains can relate that a lot of times, survivors think the killer player's a joke or they themselves are god tier just because the got to the last gen or completed them. As a result, they go for the most idiotic plays that allow a killer to immediately snowball because the killer is not, in fact, bad at the game. Survivors just had a stacked map and/or good spawns.

    Yeah I can confirm this to be true

  • @PigMainBigBrain said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2288996#Comment_2288996

    Shes not a weak killer.....that was your first mistake. 2nd, the amount of actual pig mains in red ranks is very small. Simply put, she's strong....but not that popular, and people don't really wanna take the time to learn her mechanics or recalculate their gameplay to do well with her.

    Spirit Mains on the other hand are a dime a dozen, she was insanely popular on release.

    Pig on the other hand....not as popular as spirit right now, but the people who do play pig.....are usually demons.

    Same with freddy. Freddies position in strength is arguable. But his fan base is small, rare, and the ones who do play him.....ARE DEMONS!

    These killers popping up in matches at red ranks and killer kill rate has less to do with the strength of the killer itself and more to do with who's willing to master said killer and use it in any rank.

    Freddy and Pig are my two mains, so I guess I'm a double demon. Are Freddy players now rare at red ranks? I don't play enough survivor to get to red ranks, but I thought statistically he was one of the most picked killers?

  • @Aven_Fallen said:

    Killers dominating casual SWFs and Solos. Those are groups which are weaker than Killers.

    First Hook-Suicides and DCs will also be a little bit, but not really that impactful IMO.

    In general, those Killrates dont say much, except that Killer is not as bad as people claim it to be.

    First hooks and dc play a bigger part than you expect. Someone kills themselves on first hook and the killer doesn't want to play nice pretty much guarantees a 4k

  • @Devotion said:

    The game is killer sided now. I love how no one will admit that. the excuses in this thread are funny.

    This game is not killerside. Just look last update.

    Nemesis Zombies nerfed. Demo nerfed. Franklin nerfed. And you are saying this game killerside?

  • Players who main an underplayed killer tend to be very good at the game & at their killers and will push the kill rates higher than it should be.

    An example is Billy or Pig

    Now add SoloQ & Matchmaking being a mess in the mix.

    There's also the fact that survivors kill themselves on hook.

  • @Shroompy said:

    Majority of the playerbase is solo q survivors and with killers running around running strong meta builds, the odds are heavily stacked against them

    This. Game is in a weird state right now where the game is no longer balanced for solos but SWF still turns it into a joke.

  • Survivors suicide on hook

  • @Orion said:

    Survivors DC/give up at the drop of a hat. That'd be my guess.

    @Shroompy said:

    Majority of the playerbase is solo q survivors and with killers running around running strong meta builds, the odds are heavily stacked against them

    Both of these. Killers are packing for sweaty swfs so they win against solos easier and survs like to quit if the game isn't going in their favor. One survivor quitting early enough means the killer is most likely going to 4k

  • @Northener1907 said:

    What are you thinking? What is reason of rates? Lets discuss.

    Killers are so op? Maps are unfair? Generators are slow? Survivors are bad? Killers are so good? Or something else?

    Because after all the gens are done and the exits are open, if a killer manages to get just 1 hook; the other 3 will often throw their lives away trying to get that 4th person out as well, rather than just leaving :)

  • Killers are try harder.

    That's about it.

  • Bad survivors. Like there are red rank survivors that have no idea of loops/tiles, some of them even miss skill checks and cant look behind them... pairing that with a somewhat decent killer has an obvious outcome lol

  • Number of reasons:

    • At low ranks killers get 4ks quite easily which is where the majority of the player base is.
    • A good killer (the person playing the killer) will beat most teams no matter who they're playing.
    • Noed. Literally last night had a Huntress who got 0 hooks the whole game get a 4k because of noed.
    • Camping/Tunnelling. Usually a bad killer game will result in some sort of camping/tunnelling which will get at least 1 kill but usually more because of altruistic survivors.

    Feel like these are the main reasons. Killer isn't op, it's just that most of the player base is bad at the game.

  • @CashelP14 said:

    Number of reasons:

    • At low ranks killers get 4ks quite easily which is where the majority of the player base is.
    • A good killer (the person playing the killer) will beat most teams no matter who they're playing.
    • Noed. Literally last night had a Huntress who got 0 hooks the whole game get a 4k because of noed.
    • Camping/Tunnelling. Usually a bad killer game will result in some sort of camping/tunnelling which will get at least 1 kill but usually more because of altruistic survivors.

    Feel like these are the main reasons. Killer isn't op, it's just that most of the player base is bad at the game.

    I have so many questions for how a Huntress a 110% killer whose power doesn't get effected by NOED managed to get a 4k from NOED.

  • @Warcrafter4 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2291558#Comment_2291558

    I have so many questions for how a Huntress a 110% killer whose power doesn't get effected by NOED managed to get a 4k from NOED.

    Basically:

    • Her camping a slugged body.
    • Me being drunk wanting a flashlight save.
    • My mate using unbreakable in her face (he was also drinking)
    • Random not saving anyone while they were on the ground and instead just hid around the area without looking for noed.
    • Area we were in was a dead zone.
    • Add-on that increases her movement speed while out of hatchets (until she reloaded and downed me).

    Does this about cover it lol

  • @Lambch0p said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2289151#Comment_2289151

    Freddy and Pig are my two mains, so I guess I'm a double demon. Are Freddy players now rare at red ranks? I don't play enough survivor to get to red ranks, but I thought statistically he was one of the most picked killers?

    They've been rare. Not as rare as a demigorgon but still rare. Most of the time in red ranks survivor you see 1 freddy, and then queue into another game, then get the same damn freddy. Freddy players are like finding a Xiaoyu in Tekken ranked, and then getting them in the same lobby match after match. I would wager while Freddy mains are rare, they're commited and will play like 20 games per session.

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