Trickster at his core is such a fundamentally flawed killer its sad
Mostly everyone knows trickster is weak. some people will debate that he is not that weak cuz they got a 4k with them. Which true you did get a 4k with them, but getting 4k with a killer doesn't make them magically good. also, you probably used his best addons or add ons in general. some people say that he's not weak cuz he can camp well which first of all huntress can do that 10x better and second of all how is that a good thing some of you hate that hag and twins cuz they can camp really well which is granted so let's have another killer hat can camp really well(yay/s) Im not going to dwell on the fact that he is weak too much tho what I want to look at are other things about him.
One his power is not unique or interesting at all. Some people may disagree that he is unique which first I find surprising and second of all how. his power may be slightly unique in some areas but overall, he is so boring power design-wise. all he is just Huntress 2: electric boogaloo. some people may say stop comparing him to huntress, but why not his ability is just huntress but changing 2 things. Yes, his main event exists but that thing is not only so weak cuz for some reason there is a time limit to use it not only that it is so boring and minuscule as well. All he is doing is just throw knives fast and oh my "Main event" is ready so let me throw knives fastER( ooo how interesting/s) but first let go through a second transition before I use main event."
not only is this killer weak as balls, not only is this killer boring power design-wise but this killer is also extremely boring to play for the most part ( if you like to play him that's okay but I'm just giving a reason why most people don't.) this killer can be so boring. you just spam your power at a surv until they go down for the most part. not only that his power is so unrewarding. if you hit a knife you don't feel that good cuz you still got a few more to go also think about all the times you go an injure with your knives and tell how many times could you have gotten that down quicker if you just M1ed the surv. this killer is also so boring and irritating to play against for most people despite being an extremely weak killer. they are as spammy as old legion which wasn't a very fun experience btw also you know how I said that it's unrewarding to play the killer, it also so unrewarding play against the killer. "oh you dodged a blade well guess what u have like 20 more your coming your way"
It's a real shame that this killer Is like this cuz their lore is phenomenal, their chapter was pretty good and their design was so unique( unlike their power). this character will always be known as the " copy my work but change it a bit so the teacher doesn't know" killer. also, there is no correlation between their power and music(which is basically their whole character in the lore btw). if you make this guy a K-pop star or at least a music performer make their power correlated to music. the killer just could have been a man good with blades and the power wouldn't need change. the only music-related part of the ability is the names of the ability and the mic drop noise whenever your main event ends.
i really hope this killer gets a Freddy rework since their power has nothing to do with music. also if he did get some stat buffs it would be nice for the trickster but not the surv playing against him. some surv already loathe playing against him while he is tremendously weak you think that's going to be any batter when he is stronger.
Im not even surprised that the design team and the lore team did an amazing job because they usually do. I just want this killer to be good and for their ability to make sense
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I think he's the weakest killer in the game, but he's still viable enough with good perks. His power works pretty well around short (vertically) loops and window vaults, and a main event can absolutely shred multiple survivors if they're caught out in the open.
I don't think he needs a Freddy level re-work, I think with some more minor tweaks he could be a bit better off. So a Demogorgon sized rework.
Maybe reduce the base knives needed to injure down to 6, from 8, change his Iri add-ons, maybe a single bounce from a knife by default and make the add-on give 3 bounces.
but you are commenting first and if everyone thinks that this killer is weak then that killer is weak. you just cant come to terms with that can you
you are right about him being able to be viable with good perks but any killer can
Yup, design wise he is awful. He has almost all the same issues as old legion.
Trickster is the worst killer.
Yes.. because when people who form their own opinion happen to align with x streamer, then it must not be true and must be hive mind...
Reminds me of the meme with the crow drowning out the bird hmmm
Demo sucks, but has op builds that protect devour and can pressure survivors with some new addons.
Twins are good against solo players
Wraith is good since his rework and bug fix.
I really wanna like this killer, but after trying him for a couple of days.... he feels very lackluster and a theme that I feel BHVR has been going with lately as far as powers are concerned.... "use this power that looks cool but feels like a chore to get your first injured survivor". It's almost like there is no "happy medium" where you feel like you have to rely on your skill and more so on luck.
I know a couple of days isn't enough for me to truly give a full opinion, so this is more of a first impression... He just feels weak because of how much he has to do in order to get an injure state on a survivor. It feels like it boils down to map RNG and overall set ups with LoS.
It's a ######### attitude to tell people they only disagree with you because some streamer told them to. And it's becoming an annoying stock response on here.
This describes the Trickster experience perfectly. I was really excited when I heard that a kpop themed killer is going to be added. But his power is throwing blades and main event is throwing blades faster ? The entire kit design seems dull and boring. He even released in a state where some survivors dc against him even though he is not one of the stronger killers.
I really hope he receives a rework and not end up being a budget huntress. Also REMOVE THE RECOIL
Trapper can hard camp hooks, basement, and 3 gens leagues better than trickster can. Legion can get guaranteed injuries and has more pressure than trickster can ever make, legion is even decent in chase due to their small height and quiet breathing. Myers can camp secure kills, also has a decent 3 gen. Piggy has a bit of pressure when downing and has decent synergy with expose perks and hex perks like ruin. When considering best add ons pig can pretty much guarantee a kill.
Trickster has guaranteed downs depending where you are on the map which can be sometimes take upwards of a minute which by default is too long and he can kinda punish cocky plays like bodyblocking or going for an unsafe save. But first who is gonna bodyblock against a trickster and you can only punish bad saves if you have cut thru u and if there isn't many LOS blockers or pallets nearby.
Trickster is the worst killer in the game and I'm surprised people still think he isn't.
some streamers think trickster is ok that seems to me what you are parroting
stop saying that your opinion is so "Original" .trickster may not be the worst killer to me or you but he is still a killer with so many flaws that make him boring and not unique
To the people who say "Oh Tricker's actually super good, you just have to get good with him":
Would you at least agree that he should be changed from "EASY" to "HARD"? The whole point of that difficulty stat is to help people get a feel for how tough it is to use the power effectively and play around the killer's innate weaknesses. Bubba revs his chainsaw and runs faster, getting 1-shot downs. He is EASY to play. Nurse moves slower than survivors and has to precisely measure out her blinks or suffer a self-inflicted pallet-stun. She is HARD to play.
Trickster moves slowly, has a power that gets shut down by more than half the loops in the game, is heavily map-dependent, requires continual hits, fades away, requires reloading, slows you down, is inaccurate and gets more inaccurate the longer you throw, and charges up a bonus power that goes away if you don't use it within 10 seconds and actually makes you WEAKER if you do.
If some people can play around ALL those weaknesses to reliably down survivors, that's great. But that is not a feat that your average person can do just by picking up and playing the character 2-3 times. That is the definition of a HARD killer. If the Devs intended Trickster to be an EASY killer, they failed spectacularly.
the thing is that he is a very hard killer that doesn't have a very good reward your better off practicing with huntress and you'll do way better
Sorry @Leachy_Jr im going to have to agree with brokensoul on this
personally, I think trickster is a bad killer but I don't think he is the worst killer trapper is the worst but I still think trickster is a painful weak killer
I know that happens, and some people do parrot streamers but "trickster is bad" and "swf is a problem" aren't brand new opinions or things people would be incapable of concluding themselves, whether they're right or not. There's streamers who say trickster is good, you could be accused of just going along with one of them.
the only killers that coule even be argued to be in a worse spot than him would be Trapper for being so laughably weak and Twins for being such a fundamental design failure.
and given Trickster is the newest Killer out of all, he really should not be in the spot he is in right now - especially not since all the feedback about him (that usually contains solutions on how to fix his issues) has been the exact same ever since the PTB.
and no, this has nothing to do with people just "not playing him enough" or "not being good enough at aiming" - because anyone who actually took the time to play him and learn his power ended up realising very quickly that there is literally no reason for anyone to play him over Deathslinger, who does everything Trickster does just in much, much better.
so the only ones defending his current state either havent played him enough to realize that themselves yet, or are simply in denial over it.
I can give you a simple more accurate reason you don't see "Nerf Freddy" posts anymore. Cause he actually got a nerf so less people play him. Look at Billy, I used to see him quite a bit but now I've played against 2 since his rework. Billy's rework didn't fundamentally change anything with how he plays just makes it slightly harder to feather and curve. It's the same with Fredward, I used to play against a lot of them but I've only played against 2 since the midchapter.
im not trying to say he is god awful to the point he is so bad that you can one down with him I'm saying that he is bad and in need of some buffs
the ideas for buffs you have in mind are good but most people hate going against him already you think a stronger version of him will make the surv experience better
plus his power will still be boring and not have anything to do with music. there is no reason for him being a kpop star and would like actually see a reason why he is a kpop star
You do realize that Deathslinger's whole loop of Aim->Shoot->Reel->Swing->Wipe->Reload takes a very long time, right? That's why Deathslinger has Deep Wound in his kit. It's there to offset his downs taking a while to get.
If the terrain cooperates, Trickster can get downs *way* faster than Deathslinger. That's why you might go for Trickster over Slinger. Slow and reliable vs fast and unreliable.
the time it takes me to shoot and reel someone in twice as Slinger around any loop is much less than hitting 16 shots as Trickster.
the only time where trickster might be faster would be in a deadzone, which means the survivor is dead anyway due to deadzoning themselves, regardless of the killer.
and im not going to pick Trickster over Deathslinger just because he might down someone slightly faster in one specific scenario that is entirely reliant on the survivor screwing up to ever happen in the first place.
The only way Deathslinger would get 2 shots off before Trickster can get 16 knives off is if you're at a spot where Trickster keeps having to put his knives away. Also it's not just dead zones that make Trickster incredibly lethal. Any kind of short loop that you can shoot or throw over, Trickster will get a down faster. Will that happen frequently? Well, that's up to your ability to deny Survivors access to tiles you can't handle.
Also frequently if you shoot in a dead zone as Deathslinger, the Survivor will be able to use the injury speed boost to get behind something. Against Trickster you can't just hold W away post injury because the dude is still throwing knives. I have 100% had people go down vs me on Trckster because they tried to just hold W post injury to get away and it failed miserably.
I'm not gonna say that Trickster is better than Deathslinger. Deathslinger's downs are consistent enough that he's considered mid-high tier for a reason. But... there are reasons why someone might want to play Trickster over Deathslinger.
i do agree with you that some people overreact about how bad this killer but he is still an extremely bad killer
if you like his power that's good, I'm just saying that a lot of people don't. i do think he needs buffs but what I meant was people probably won't kile going against the trickster when he is strong since people already don't and he's extremely weak. his power I kinda like old legion being extremely spammy
I don't play Piggy but I play a little Trapper and Myers and I play a lot of Legion. Trickster is easily worse than they are. His power isn't that strong, like Trapper strong but with 110% speed. He's Slow AND weak. Just making him full speed killer would be enough of a fix.
so in short your argument boils down to "i can down people much quicker when there is no cover for them" - alias when they are in a deadzone.
thats nice and all, but Slinger is much quicker at downing them at quite literally any loop there is.
even the short autohaven loops have been buffed to the point where Survivors can take cover behind the truck to avoid your shots (and lets not forget the zigzag survivors can run to make you miss shots even in deadzones that further increases the time it takes you to down them), so you dont really have much of a point here.
but you are right with one thing:
there is a reason why someone would pick Trickster over Deathslinger. That reason being said person being bad at aiming and rather having 70 shots in a non lethal machinegun over one shot in a very lethal rifle and / or not being confident in their reeling abilities (which, lets face it, is not a hard thing to do)
It's not just that. Trickster can punish mistakes harder than Deathslinger can. For example, one time I had two injured Neas go up onto the box shaped catwalk on Hawkins with the window opposite the stairs. I just stood half way up the stairs and started throwing knives. One fell to knives, the other vaulted into me and got M1'd. Getting both of them as Deathslinger would have been insanely difficult.
Deathslinger is better overall than Trickster because he needs much fewer and less serious mistakes to get things done. However, if Survivors do mess up against Trickster, he can wreck them harder than Deathslinger can. Honestly the only Killer who can punish mistakes harder than Trickster is Bubba.