Featured streamers intentionally depip off stream so they don't have to play at R1?

Might_Oakk

So by chosing streamers who always talk about rank manipulation you are saying this allowed and even encouraged ?

Orion

Support the small, non-toxic ones so that they can be featured as well. Despite what people might say, everyone knows that only big streamers get featured, so help the better ones grow. Be a part of the solution, instead of being part of the complainers.

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Gunmech04

Me and my friend Kurt Stream a few times a week but we don't really have that many followers yet. We aren't a toxic group, just idiots who like to stream and play DBD

Orion

@Gunmech04 said:
Me and my friend Kurt Stream a few times a week but we don't really have that many followers yet. We aren't a toxic group, just idiots who like to stream and play DBD

Same, though I've been streaming alone most of the time and play various games. The Media Lounge is full of small, non-toxic streamers. You just have to be willing to look and support them.

powerbats

I've been watching small streamers pretty much exclusively and they're great.

HP150

Sounds like more of a problem with the ranking system than anything. People generally want to get the highest rank possible and watch other play at the highest level in other games. There's simply no rewards to do so in this game and it only results in longer queue times / more cancer games.

Make the ranked seasons longer and reward players who are in the red ranks at the end of it either with exclusive cosmetics or something as simple as iridescent shards. Then the queue times at high ranks will fix themselves and more streamers will play at them.

Orion

@powerbats said:
I've been watching small streamers pretty much exclusively and they're great.

When you're not doing it for the money, you're doing it because you want to. People who do something because they want to are a lot better than the ones who do it for the money.

Tsulan

@Orion said:

@powerbats said:
I've been watching small streamers pretty much exclusively and they're great.

When you're not doing it for the money, you're doing it because you want to. People who do something because they want to are a lot better than the ones who do it for the money.

Orion

@Tsulan said:

@Orion said:

@powerbats said:
I've been watching small streamers pretty much exclusively and they're great.

When you're not doing it for the money, you're doing it because you want to. People who do something because they want to are a lot better than the ones who do it for the money.

Getting big nowadays is equal parts luck and budget. Some of them may be good at the games they play, but so are a bunch of other people who stream and have had little to no success.

Tsulan

@Orion said:

@Tsulan said:

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@powerbats said:
I've been watching small streamers pretty much exclusively and they're great.

When you're not doing it for the money, you're doing it because you want to. People who do something because they want to are a lot better than the ones who do it for the money.

Getting big nowadays is equal parts luck and budget. Some of them may be good at the games they play, but so are a bunch of other people who stream and have had little to no success.

I´d say it has also something to do with the way a streamer plays and interacts with the viewers.

Orion

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@powerbats said:
I've been watching small streamers pretty much exclusively and they're great.

When you're not doing it for the money, you're doing it because you want to. People who do something because they want to are a lot better than the ones who do it for the money.

Getting big nowadays is equal parts luck and budget. Some of them may be good at the games they play, but so are a bunch of other people who stream and have had little to no success.

I´d say it has also something to do with the way a streamer plays and interacts with the viewers.

You'd be wrong. If you never get viewers, the way you play is irrelevant (nobody's watching), and you can't exactly interact with viewers that aren't there.
Luck and budget, that's what it (mostly) comes down to. Luck to have multiple people stumble across your stream more or less at the same time, and budget to have giveaways and other crap that attracts people regardless of content quality.

RSB

It is kinda funny, when the normal, grey player can;t derank, because it is bannable, but streamers can (hello denise).

If course not all streamers are entitled, at least we have HybridPanda and True, who play fair and are polite.

only1biggs

Nobody wants to watch a killer that hard camps every game, Orion. It's boring.

There are indeed some smaller streams out there worth watching, but the majority of the larger DbD streams are there because they are good at the game; others because of a mix of their personality and gameplay.

Not sure why bigger streamer that wants to play instead of sitting in lobby = toxic either. Odd

The issue is the rank system in general and it needs to be drastically changed or outright removed. Otherwise, lobby simulator.

Orion

@only1biggs said:
Nobody wants to watch a killer that hard camps every game, Orion. It's boring.

There are indeed some smaller streams out there worth watching, but the majority of the larger DbD streams are there because they are good at the game; others because of a mix of their personality and gameplay.

Not sure why bigger streamer that wants to play instead of sitting in lobby = toxic either. Odd

The issue is the rank system in general and it needs to be drastically changed or outright removed. Otherwise, lobby simulator.

Thank you, sweetie, for your valued opinion. I'll take it into account the next time I have 2-3 Survivors swarming the hook.

Mc_Harty

Somebody asked a streamer I watched why they de-rank and he said he is unable to find enough lobbies at high ranks (since most of his watchers prefer to watch game play rather then lobby simulator). Going to high ranks actually hurts you as a entertainer in this game.

Eventually he got a smurf account just so he is able to find consistent lobbies when he is unable to find anyone. Besides rank doesn't mean ######### anyways.

Orion

@Mc_Harty said:
Somebody asked a streamer I watched why they de-rank and he said he is unable to find enough lobbies at high ranks (since most of his watchers prefer to watch game play rather then lobby simulator). Going to high ranks actually hurts you as a entertainer in this game.

Eventually he got a smurf account just so he is able to find consistent lobbies when he is unable to find anyone. Besides rank doesn't mean ######### anyways.

Newbies and people with few perks don't think ranks are so meaningless. Maybe ranks are meaningless because people derank on purpose in the first place.

Raziel

@Tsulan said:

@Orion said:

@Tsulan said:

@Orion said:

@powerbats said:
I've been watching small streamers pretty much exclusively and they're great.

When you're not doing it for the money, you're doing it because you want to. People who do something because they want to are a lot better than the ones who do it for the money.

Getting big nowadays is equal parts luck and budget. Some of them may be good at the games they play, but so are a bunch of other people who stream and have had little to no success.

I´d say it has also something to do with the way a streamer plays and interacts with the viewers.

It's easier to appeal to simpletons than people with common sense.

Mc_Harty

@Orion said:
Newbies and people with few perks don't think ranks are so meaningless. Maybe ranks are meaningless because people derank on purpose in the first place.

Ranks are meaningless because their aren't any rewards to getting to high ranks and long ######### ques.

Whats the ######### point?

Orion

@Mc_Harty said:

@Orion said:
Newbies and people with few perks don't think ranks are so meaningless. Maybe ranks are meaningless because people derank on purpose in the first place.

Ranks are meaningless because their aren't any rewards to getting to high ranks and long [BAD WORD] ques.

Whats the [BAD WORD] point?

Playing with people at or around your own skill level, actually being challenged... I know ranking up is easy right now, but that's the point of rank, with or without rewards. Rewards are just there because people are greedy.

Orion

@Raziel said:

@Tsulan said:

@Orion said:

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@powerbats said:
I've been watching small streamers pretty much exclusively and they're great.

When you're not doing it for the money, you're doing it because you want to. People who do something because they want to are a lot better than the ones who do it for the money.

Getting big nowadays is equal parts luck and budget. Some of them may be good at the games they play, but so are a bunch of other people who stream and have had little to no success.

I´d say it has also something to do with the way a streamer plays and interacts with the viewers.

It's easier to appeal to simpletons than people with common sense.

That's why clickbait works.

Mc_Harty

@Orion said:
Playing with people at or around your own skill level, actually being challenged... I know ranking up is easy right now, but that's the point of rank, with or without rewards. Rewards are just there because people are greedy.

...This is Dead by Daylight we're talking about.

You mentioned that ranking was easy. Basically anyone can hit high ranks with enough playtime. So this games ranking system doesn't signify skill at all.

So if its doesn't represent skill, doesn't give you rewards and every time you do rank up, lobbies become longer then usual, then whats the point in ranking up, when you can get more lobbies, more blood-points and more iridescent shards at lower ranks?

Basically, at this stage, there is no benefit.

Orion

@Mc_Harty said:

@Orion said:
Playing with people at or around your own skill level, actually being challenged... I know ranking up is easy right now, but that's the point of rank, with or without rewards. Rewards are just there because people are greedy.

...This is Dead by Daylight we're talking about.

You mentioned that ranking was easy. Basically anyone can hit high ranks with enough playtime. So this games ranking system doesn't signify skill at all.

So if its doesn't represent skill, doesn't give you rewards and every time you do rank up, lobbies become longer then usual, then whats the point in ranking up, when you can get more lobbies, more blood-points and more iridescent shards at lower ranks?

Basically, at this stage, there is no benefit.

Rank is not an absolute indicator of skill, but anyone with a brain knows that a rank 1 player with 3000 hours is not comparable to a rank 20 player with 30 hours. Experience does matter. Anyone who deranks is doing so for an easier game, no matter their excuses.

Mc_Harty

@Orion said:
Rank is not an absolute indicator of skill, but anyone with a brain knows that a rank 1 player with 3000 hours is not comparable to a rank 20 player with 30 hours. Experience does matter. Anyone who deranks is doing so for an easier game, no matter their excuses.

Why say it is then?

Ranks are a indicator of skill but they aren't.

And you're right. Experience does matter and anyone who deranks is just trying to find easy games.

Raziel

@Orion said:

@Raziel said:

@Tsulan said:

@Orion said:

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@powerbats said:
I've been watching small streamers pretty much exclusively and they're great.

When you're not doing it for the money, you're doing it because you want to. People who do something because they want to are a lot better than the ones who do it for the money.

Getting big nowadays is equal parts luck and budget. Some of them may be good at the games they play, but so are a bunch of other people who stream and have had little to no success.

I´d say it has also something to do with the way a streamer plays and interacts with the viewers.

It's easier to appeal to simpletons than people with common sense.

That's why clickbait works.

It's also why such streamers have no actual value and should not be considered as examples for anything other than irresponsible propagation of toxicity.

Orion

@Mc_Harty said:

@Orion said:
Rank is not an absolute indicator of skill, but anyone with a brain knows that a rank 1 player with 3000 hours is not comparable to a rank 20 player with 30 hours. Experience does matter. Anyone who deranks is doing so for an easier game, no matter their excuses.

Why say it is then?

Ranks are a indicator of skill but they aren't.

And you're right. Experience does matter and anyone who deranks is just trying to find easy games.

Ranks are one of various indicators of skill, but you mustn't rely on rank alone to ascertain someone's skill. To rely on any one thing (play time, character level, prestige, etc.) to try to ascertain skill is foolish, but to ignore those things is equally foolish.

Orion

@Raziel said:

@Orion said:

@Raziel said:

@Tsulan said:

@Orion said:

@Tsulan said:

@Orion said:

@powerbats said:
I've been watching small streamers pretty much exclusively and they're great.

When you're not doing it for the money, you're doing it because you want to. People who do something because they want to are a lot better than the ones who do it for the money.

Getting big nowadays is equal parts luck and budget. Some of them may be good at the games they play, but so are a bunch of other people who stream and have had little to no success.

I´d say it has also something to do with the way a streamer plays and interacts with the viewers.

It's easier to appeal to simpletons than people with common sense.

That's why clickbait works.

It's also why such streamers have no actual value and should not be considered as examples for anything other than irresponsible propagation of toxicity.

That's why developers need to start uplifting small streamers. Big ones already get enough from their money trees viewers.

Raziel

@Orion said:

@Raziel said:

@Orion said:

@Raziel said:

@Tsulan said:

@Orion said:

@Tsulan said:

@Orion said:

@powerbats said:
I've been watching small streamers pretty much exclusively and they're great.

When you're not doing it for the money, you're doing it because you want to. People who do something because they want to are a lot better than the ones who do it for the money.

Getting big nowadays is equal parts luck and budget. Some of them may be good at the games they play, but so are a bunch of other people who stream and have had little to no success.

I´d say it has also something to do with the way a streamer plays and interacts with the viewers.

It's easier to appeal to simpletons than people with common sense.

That's why clickbait works.

It's also why such streamers have no actual value and should not be considered as examples for anything other than irresponsible propagation of toxicity.

That's why developers need to start uplifting small streamers. Big ones already get enough from their money trees viewers.

You mean the same developers that said "not all killers are meant to be competitive" and told us to play Civilisation?

Orion

@Raziel said:

@Orion said:

@Raziel said:

@Orion said:

@Raziel said:

@Tsulan said:

@Orion said:

@Tsulan said:

@Orion said:

@powerbats said:
I've been watching small streamers pretty much exclusively and they're great.

When you're not doing it for the money, you're doing it because you want to. People who do something because they want to are a lot better than the ones who do it for the money.

Getting big nowadays is equal parts luck and budget. Some of them may be good at the games they play, but so are a bunch of other people who stream and have had little to no success.

I´d say it has also something to do with the way a streamer plays and interacts with the viewers.

It's easier to appeal to simpletons than people with common sense.

That's why clickbait works.

It's also why such streamers have no actual value and should not be considered as examples for anything other than irresponsible propagation of toxicity.

That's why developers need to start uplifting small streamers. Big ones already get enough from their money trees viewers.

You mean the same developers that said "not all killers are meant to be competitive" and told us to play Civilisation?

I mean developers in general, not just these devs.

Mc_Harty

@Orion said:
Ranks are one of various indicators of skill, but you mustn't rely on rank alone to ascertain someone's skill. To rely on any one thing (play time, character level, prestige, etc.) to try to ascertain skill is foolish, but to ignore those things is equally foolish.

Last I checked you're the one that brought up rank as a measurement of skill.

All I'm saying is that there are more cons then pros to ranking up in this game.

Orion

@Mc_Harty said:

@Orion said:
Ranks are one of various indicators of skill, but you mustn't rely on rank alone to ascertain someone's skill. To rely on any one thing (play time, character level, prestige, etc.) to try to ascertain skill is foolish, but to ignore those things is equally foolish.

Last I checked you're the one that brought up rank as a measurement of skill.

All I'm saying is that there are more cons then pros to ranking up in this game.

One of them, yes. You're more likely to find opponents of your skill level if you don't derank than if you do. That's one of the reasons why people shouldn't derank.

And all I'm saying is that the system can't work if people abuse it.
It's like driving. You have people on the far left lane who cut across 2 lanes of traffic because they want to go to the far right lane and vice-versa, causing massive back-ups behind them, whereas if they'd just gone to the lanes they actually wanted/needed, traffic would flow more easily.

Rank can't work while people intentionally derank, no matter what the devs do. If the streamers don't like their rank then they can stop playing well.

Raziel

@Orion said:

@Mc_Harty said:

@Orion said:
Ranks are one of various indicators of skill, but you mustn't rely on rank alone to ascertain someone's skill. To rely on any one thing (play time, character level, prestige, etc.) to try to ascertain skill is foolish, but to ignore those things is equally foolish.

Last I checked you're the one that brought up rank as a measurement of skill.

All I'm saying is that there are more cons then pros to ranking up in this game.

One of them, yes. You're more likely to find opponents of your skill level if you don't derank than if you do. That's one of the reasons why people shouldn't derank.

And all I'm saying is that the system can't work if people abuse it.
It's like driving. You have people on the far left lane who cut across 2 lanes of traffic because they want to go to the far right lane and vice-versa, causing massive back-ups behind them, whereas if they'd just gone to the lanes they actually wanted/needed, traffic would flow more easily.

Rank can't work while people intentionally derank, no matter what the devs do. If the streamers don't like their rank then they can stop playing well.

In a game where, when all survivors die (which means the killer got a full victory), and then EVERYONE can rank up, how do you decide who really won, and why are the survivors pushed up in rank so that this killer has a chance to face them again when he is clearly better?

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only1biggs

@Orion said:

@only1biggs said:
Nobody wants to watch a killer that hard camps every game, Orion. It's boring.

There are indeed some smaller streams out there worth watching, but the majority of the larger DbD streams are there because they are good at the game; others because of a mix of their personality and gameplay.

Not sure why bigger streamer that wants to play instead of sitting in lobby = toxic either. Odd

The issue is the rank system in general and it needs to be drastically changed or outright removed. Otherwise, lobby simulator.

Thank you, sweetie, for your valued opinion. I'll take it into account the next time I have 2-3 Survivors swarming the hook.

They swarm the hook after you've hard camped them into oblivion..they're trying to save the guy lol
You're delusional, boring, humourless and not good at the game

They should just do gens and leave, but then that's even less fun than trying to help each other against a terrible killer like yourself.

Have fun cupcake. You're a meme x

Seanzu

Half the vocal killer mains on this forum have admitted to intentionally deranking so they can have it easy, it's not just a streamer thing, and we should stop looking solely at streamers and instead look at the entire community the constantly derank and disconnect shouldn't be happening at all, you get to a rank, you play at that rank.

One of the excuses someone gave on here (someone who is constantly talking in anti-SWF chats and killer buff conversations) is that theres a new killer coming out and there is no way they're going to play against rank 1 with a new killer. Well, rank reset happened before she released so it was obvious this killer main just wanted to derank because they're having a hard time at rank one and just aren't very good.

Tzeentchling9

The streamers I watch at least have the decency to play the whole match through and then DC when they could have just run out the exit gate. I think as far as non toxic streamers, it's more about providing more content than Lobby Simulator 2018 and less about bullying noobs.

βLAKE

Yeah I appreciate the lesser known streamers more because every time I end up in a game with a big time DBD streamer they dc, grief or farm all for the sake of entertaining themselves or their stream so yeah fk em and support the small streamers instead.

P.S.
Prior to the new ban rules it was pretty sad that the devs didn't lift a finger against big time streamers even if they performed the bannable action on stream.

NextKillerSpongebob

Just camp them a bit and bait other survivors with a killer that can one-shot pretty easily. Like huntress with add-ons or MM or the best on being Leatherface with Insidious

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Boss

If you like ranking up and since getting to rank 1 can literally be done in 2-3 streams, i can understand people wanting to go back and experience the ladder-climb all over again.

Orion

@ZombieGenesis said:
I've been noticing a lot more streamers DCing when they encounter situations they don't like and it's very disappointing. I won't name names here but yesterday the two streamers I watch regularly did it a few times when encountering Freddy and The Nurse. One of them is a DbD featured streamer.

That's when you know you should stop watching them. At some point, you have to take a stand, or admit you are part of the problem.

Visionmaker

Is it against the rules to intentionally depip? Cause if it was, I'm sure half of the community would be banned by now.

It'd be one thing to do it on stream (because it encourages people to do the same), but if it's off stream, I don't see the problen

ACEvHEARTS

HybridPanda is the most nontoxic streamer of the Fog Whisperer bunch, IMO. He has a good attitude about the game and takes his losses gracefully. I think I’ve only seen him DC 3-4 times since I started watching him a year ago. And it’s usually because someone is lag switching or cheating and he wants no part of that. 

Seanzu

@ACEvHEARTS said:
HybridPanda is the most nontoxic streamer of the Fog Whisperer bunch, IMO. He has a good attitude about the game and takes his losses gracefully. I think I’ve only seen him DC 3-4 times since I started watching him a year ago. And it’s usually because someone is lag switching or cheating and he wants no part of that. 

Agreed, and he's a cutie.

DeadByFlashlight

@Might_Oakk said:
So by chosing streamers who always talk about rank manipulation you are saying this allowed and even encouraged ?

The fact that she plays survivor in a 4 man SWF makes it even more ridiculous.

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ACEvHEARTS

ZombieGenesis said:

@ACEvHEARTS said:
HybridPanda is the most nontoxic streamer of the Fog Whisperer bunch, IMO. He has a good attitude about the game and takes his losses gracefully. I think I’ve only seen him DC 3-4 times since I started watching him a year ago. And it’s usually because someone is lag switching or cheating and he wants no part of that. 

I use to think the same till I saw him quit yesterday because he was playing against a Freddy. Sadly that cost him my sub.

He quit because the randoms on his team were DCing though. He could have stuck it out of course, but he does it so rarely that I can’t fault him. Sometimes it’s just human nature to say “screw it, this match is DOA.” As long as you don’t do it all the time. 

ACEvHEARTS

SenzuDuck said:

@ACEvHEARTS said:
HybridPanda is the most nontoxic streamer of the Fog Whisperer bunch, IMO. He has a good attitude about the game and takes his losses gracefully. I think I’ve only seen him DC 3-4 times since I started watching him a year ago. And it’s usually because someone is lag switching or cheating and he wants no part of that. 

Agreed, and he's a cutie.

That Senzu guy is pretty great too! ::chuffed:

Gunmech04

IF you guys are looking for a pair of idiots to watch you should watch me and my friend Kurt on Sundays when we do Drunk by Daylight lol. It gets pretty nuts. My twitch name is the same as my profile name on here