Gens continue to go by too quickly and no real fix in sight

Wraff

Seems like a easy fix but still nothing is done. Who knows why.

Survivor: Take Ruin!

Any Killer worth their salt knows the average life expectancy of Ruin is somewhere between 3-30 seconds because Totem's are terribly hidden and in Red Rank? Ruin barely does anything.

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thesuicidefox

Increase the rate at which gens regress to 50% progression speed (currently 25%) and have a 10% regression penalty when you kick a gen by default (like a baby Pop Goes The Weasel). Then put an upper limit to the max progression speed you can have (40 seconds should be the fastest a gen could ever be completed). That would slow the game down enough to the point it's not necessary to add new mechanics/objectives.

Nightmare247

So what is your suggestion? The worst part of any trial is sitting and pressing space bar. I don't think increasing the time it takes will help at all, let alone it is boring to do that to survivors.

You could mix it up so that other buttons are used rather than just space bar so it mixes it up a bit. You could also add different objectives, but please don't just add repair time because people think it goes too quick.

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feffrey

ZombieGenesis said:

I think "gen rushing" is just as frustrating for most survivors as it is killers. I think most survivors really want an exciting and tense experience and instead what they get is game where they spend a good chunk of their time...doing nothing. Just sitting there holding down a button and, occasionally, hitting a skill check. It's boring. There need to be secondary and possibly tertiary objectives added to the game for both killers and survivors. Something that gives both sides a sense of accomplishment that doesn't come from escaping or killing.

speak for yourself I like Gen rushing it quite boring chasing survivors that you know will loop you

redsopine1

Id say run hl with ruin and dh that wild force them to abandon gens ruin just slows dow n and obvious target hl causes more checks and no sound and dh makes it mandatory to hot totems or be Mori

George_Soros

Ruin does buy you some time though. I usually get at least one hook before generators start popping. That itself can make it worth. You just have to protect it.
And @ZombieGenesis , I completely disagree with doing gens being a boring task. You have to be constantly alert: is someone hit? Do I hear a heartbeat? That hooked guy over there, should I go for the save or keep repairing? I say it's far from "doing nothing".

Tsulan

George_Soros said:

Ruin does buy you some time though. I usually get at least one hook before generators start popping. That itself can make it worth. You just have to protect it.
And @ZombieGenesis , I completely disagree with doing gens being a boring task. You have to be constantly alert: is someone hit? Do I hear a heartbeat? That hooked guy over there, should I go for the save or keep repairing? I say it's far from "doing nothing".

I assume you are playing low ranks. On high ranks, I see the killer chasing someone, I do peacefully gens. No pressure, no alert, just holding m1 and pressing occasionally space.

Orion

@Tsulan said:
I assume you are playing low ranks. On high ranks, I see the killer chasing someone, I do peacefully gens. No pressure, no alert, just holding m1 and pressing occasionally space.

This. I've had Survivors repair a generator right next to me while I was carrying one of them to the hook, because they know I can't do anything about it. Dropping the one I'm carrying takes too long, I can't hit them or they'll wiggle out, and with so many LOS blockers (Pale Rose map), they'd be gone by the time I actually hooked the one I had. It's yet another feature that puts the power in the Survivors' hands.

Tsulan

@Orion said:

@Tsulan said:
I assume you are playing low ranks. On high ranks, I see the killer chasing someone, I do peacefully gens. No pressure, no alert, just holding m1 and pressing occasionally space.

This. I've had Survivors repair a generator right next to me while I was carrying one of them to the hook, because they know I can't do anything about it. Dropping the one I'm carrying takes too long, I can't hit them or they'll wiggle out, and with so many LOS blockers (Pale Rose map), they'd be gone by the time I actually hooked the one I had. It's yet another feature that puts the power in the Survivors' hands.

Ironically the game is more fun on low ranks. When survivors don´t really know what to do. I die way more often on low ranks than on high ranks. But it´s more fun. Since the game isn´t over in 4 minutes.

Orion

@Tsulan said:

@Orion said:

@Tsulan said:
I assume you are playing low ranks. On high ranks, I see the killer chasing someone, I do peacefully gens. No pressure, no alert, just holding m1 and pressing occasionally space.

This. I've had Survivors repair a generator right next to me while I was carrying one of them to the hook, because they know I can't do anything about it. Dropping the one I'm carrying takes too long, I can't hit them or they'll wiggle out, and with so many LOS blockers (Pale Rose map), they'd be gone by the time I actually hooked the one I had. It's yet another feature that puts the power in the Survivors' hands.

Ironically the game is more fun on low ranks. When survivors don´t really know what to do. I die way more often on low ranks than on high ranks. But it´s more fun. Since the game isn´t over in 4 minutes.

That was rank 15.

Tsulan

@Orion said:

@Tsulan said:

@Orion said:

@Tsulan said:
I assume you are playing low ranks. On high ranks, I see the killer chasing someone, I do peacefully gens. No pressure, no alert, just holding m1 and pressing occasionally space.

This. I've had Survivors repair a generator right next to me while I was carrying one of them to the hook, because they know I can't do anything about it. Dropping the one I'm carrying takes too long, I can't hit them or they'll wiggle out, and with so many LOS blockers (Pale Rose map), they'd be gone by the time I actually hooked the one I had. It's yet another feature that puts the power in the Survivors' hands.

Ironically the game is more fun on low ranks. When survivors don´t really know what to do. I die way more often on low ranks than on high ranks. But it´s more fun. Since the game isn´t over in 4 minutes.

That was rank 15.

We just had a rank reset. The first week after rank reset is still mixed up with high ranks.

Orion

@Tsulan said:

@Orion said:

@Tsulan said:

@Orion said:

@Tsulan said:
I assume you are playing low ranks. On high ranks, I see the killer chasing someone, I do peacefully gens. No pressure, no alert, just holding m1 and pressing occasionally space.

This. I've had Survivors repair a generator right next to me while I was carrying one of them to the hook, because they know I can't do anything about it. Dropping the one I'm carrying takes too long, I can't hit them or they'll wiggle out, and with so many LOS blockers (Pale Rose map), they'd be gone by the time I actually hooked the one I had. It's yet another feature that puts the power in the Survivors' hands.

Ironically the game is more fun on low ranks. When survivors don´t really know what to do. I die way more often on low ranks than on high ranks. But it´s more fun. Since the game isn´t over in 4 minutes.

That was rank 15.

We just had a rank reset. The first week after rank reset is still mixed up with high ranks.

Or they deranked. Anyway, the Spirit's "counter" is quite simple: jungle gyms and always sprinting. She can't catch what she can't see, and she can't mind game people who know exactly when she's using her power.

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Chi

You need to learn how to pressure survivors.

powerbats

@ZombieGenesis said:

@George_Soros said:
And @ZombieGenesis , I completely disagree with doing gens being a boring task. You have to be constantly alert: is someone hit? Do I hear a heartbeat? That hooked guy over there, should I go for the save or keep repairing? I say it's far from "doing nothing".

I stand immediately corrected. Some people just want the easy gens and nothing else. If you think doing a gen and waiting for an alert the game gives you with big flashing lights is "being constantly alert" then I actually feel bad for you.

Same, I don't want to sit there holding m1 for 80 seconds or so repeatedly and yawning while I wait for terror radius or premo to go off.

I just had 1st match on Rin's map and man that was scary and against a Rin. That was really terrifying partially doing to never having played it before.

But the devs have talked about adding things so it's not so boring and gen rush isn't such a big deal anymore, but hopefully they'll change the maps more and add in more stealthy style options.

George_Soros

Lol @ZombieGenesis , I guess it has to do with me just being too old for games. I really just wanna be left alone to do my generators and get out. Nothing of that being chased s@@t , it always ends bad for me anyways.

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George_Soros

@ZombieGenesis said:
@George_Soros LOL No, I get that. Now I want an old man survivor who can't tea bag but can shake his cane at the killer.

Lol yeah exactly. I think we need more diversity. Aside from survivors aged 80+, I always wanted an extremely obese one - perhaps one with a scooter? And one with Down syndrome.

Eninya

There's no real secondary objectives, and certain killers force me to rush generators outright, whereas I have some more freedom to try and cleanse totems against others. The latest killer is like a cooler version of Wraith, but goes to highlight the problems with the game design.

Map size can't be adjusted because mobility on Hillbilly is busted, and he's a busted killer in general. Maps are already edging towards a compression, with The Game and a few other small maps in general. Smaller maps give everyone an advantage, but also make fixed-ranged killer mechanics far stronger, such as The Doctor.

The game needs systemic change, not just something to generator times.

redsopine1

Orion said:

@Tsulan said:
I assume you are playing low ranks. On high ranks, I see the killer chasing someone, I do peacefully gens. No pressure, no alert, just holding m1 and pressing occasionally space.

This. I've had Survivors repair a generator right next to me while I was carrying one of them to the hook, because they know I can't do anything about it. Dropping the one I'm carrying takes too long, I can't hit them or they'll wiggle out, and with so many LOS blockers (Pale Rose map), they'd be gone by the time I actually hooked the one I had. It's yet another feature that puts the power in the Survivors' hands.

Maby but it sure is satisfying's to whack em let a guy go and have injured ones