Hatch Rework/Replacement Ideas Thread
Remove the Hatch from the game. Once the last Survivor is left the Exit Gates are powered and start to open themselves a third as effectively as a Survivor, completely opening themselves after 60 seconds (Time might be too long or short?). The Exit Gates' Auras are permanently revealed to the Survivor as well as the Killer.
My reasoning for wanting a change is hatch haunting is unfun RNG for both sides IMO. These changes remove some of the power from the Survivor up front by removing the RNG free escape, but give them more power against Killers that camp the exit gates. Forces the Killer to haunt for the Survivor and forces the Survivor to come up with a plan to escape. Requiring more thinking ahead on both sides.
What do you guys think of my idea? I'd love to hear your guys' ideas or if you even think Hatch needs to be changed.
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This basically rewards you for sitting in a locker the whole game waiting for your team to die. You're basically guaranteed an escape if you are uninjured.
Leave the hatch as it is. This game is based around our hopes of escaping.
Any mechanic that gives the last Survivor something rewards you for hiding to be fair, I'm sure you have had a teammate not save you because they are sitting on hatch before.
hatch is fine as it is, gates just need some spawn work to make it so they dont spawn too close or too far
if anything needs to be done to hatch its the interaction they have with keys.
also this idea is awful a survivor will just hide literally anywhere on the map until gates spawn and just escape through the one the killer isn't at, if its not a killer that can one shot the survivor is basically given the escape and can run right through them.
True, hard to come up a solution to that, maybe a short killer instinct at the start to get the ball rolling. Though I think it might become to hard for the Survivor. Also what would you change on how hatch works with keys.
basically that but take values with a grain of salt of course they can be adjusted.
the problem with hatch is there is no interaction with the killer, once it's found that's it you lost that survivor along with any friends they brought along.
edit: also before anyone response of course this is a nerf how can anyone in the right mind think keys are anywhere near balanced. same for mori's but this isn't about that.
The hatch spawns at the start of the match
Killer can always see the hatch with a yellow aura
If the killer stands too close to the hatch for too long then will relocate and its aura will be hidden for a time
This could be a cool idea, if that were the case I'd totally run diversion and try for the mindgames!
Also how about this:
Lockers can not spawn within 36 meters of the exits. I think that could help nerf the survivors ability to camp
That would make it even easier to escape as survivor tho. You can just hide and then rush through once the gates are open if you have 2 health states and nothing can be done
I kinda like the hatch the way it is now.
It's no where near as annoying as it was before. Don't fix what isn't broken i say
The final survivor having to run out one of two very wide open gates every single game would make their movements simultaneously very predictable and very difficult to stop, which doesn't sound like it would result in fun for anyone. The randomization of the hatch adds tension to a part of the game (tracking down one final annoying straggler) that would otherwise be pretty rote and boring.
You gonna remove mories too? They're equally broken and unfair to the other side. If one goes, the other one needs to as well. What actually needs to happen is ebony and green mories need to be canned, and so do hatch spawn locations and maybe keys. They could just change how the key works but idc take it out of the game. I want Cheese by Daylight to be over. 50% of my games are against ebony mories because they hand them out like candy
If the survivor is trying to make a hatch escape then you pretty much already won as a killer. If you removed the hatch, what would you expect solo survivors to do? Maybe their team gave up early or the killer just dominated one weak link and snowballed. Is it really a solo's fault that they can't control their teammates actions?
The one thing they should change about hatch, is how keys work. The only time hatch frustrates me is when multiple survivors are searching for a key and you have no way to stop it as a killer. I would make it so that keys take time to unlock the hatch, at the least 5 seconds, at the most as long as a door. This stops the BS moments where you are about to catch someone but they got lucky and randomly stumble on the hatch, while you are powerless to stop them.
I like my idea of having crows fly in the direction of the hatch once it spawns. It is a little thing, but it would greatly increase the odds for both killer and survivor to find the freaking thing. I also hate that the hatch spawns so close to the doors usually. The doors usually spawn way to close together and then placing the hatch near them gives the killer an unfair advantage.
Another idea is to make the hatch spawn directly between the first two generators done. This would mean players have to be mindful of what is happening in the game. Right now you just kind of have to run around mindlessly looking for the hatch which aint fun.
I like both of your ideas. The crow one especially. Maybe when the hatch swings open nearby crows would be scared and fly away instead of towards that would be a flavorful reason.
Hatch:
spawns closed. Never opens on its own.
Survivors can take 15 seconds to open hatch (includes loud notification when nearing the end vaguely similar to exit gate opening) when appropriate requirements are met (some sort of indication appears/disappears from hatch texture).
Keys do not automatically open hatch but rather allow it to be opened prematurely. (Key is used to allow survivors to open hatch. Once the key is consumed, the hatch takes 15 seconds to open. Stays open for 5 seconds and then automatically closes regardless of how many survivors are left in the match).
Killers can close the hatch. Does not trigger EGC. Completing a gen allows for the hatch to be opened again.
Hatch grabs return.