Killers finally have strong perks and survivors are complaining
So I checked in on the forums today because of the rush of activity from a new killer. I checked the new perks, survivors got a meh, a situational and a a strong perk. The new killers perks sound extremely bonkers to me. I think the new hex perk is kind of overhyped as a hex build type thing and also soul guard exists. The other two perks seem kind of strong. And of course, with every new strong addition to killer or every new weak addition to survivors, people come to the forums to complain about both the weak survivor perks and strkng killer perks.
I wont deny that the killers perks are strong but to say that its “making the game unfair for survivors” or “killing survivors fun with every new update” thats just overreacting. Are killers not supposed to get strong perks anymore, according to dome posts, killers have no build variety, which is untrue but even if it is, arent these perks what you wanted to shake up the meta.
Its not like these perks are uncounterable, dragons grip looks like its made to counter gen tapping, and the other two perks are hexes, which have already existing counters in the form of soul guard and inner strength. Its not like these perks are uncounterable at all.
Getting upset that the survivor perks are meh is very funny to me because killers have gotten used to getting bad perks with every new killer ever since plague while survivors have had many arguably strong, yet overshadowed perks. I shouldnt be surprised that survivors are upset, but please, cant you just let killers finally have strong perks to work with.
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This exactly how I feel about the perk. The loss of tokens hurts any creativity in the perk and never ever mind the part where we spent half the game activating it on top of it being possible to disable and using half or more of perks slot to use it.
In general all killer perks suffer from same problem they got too many drawback.
The first perk only works for 30 seconds after kicking a gen. like why and to add insult injury, 80 second cooldown. The 3rd perk has cooldown... on a hex: totem.
I mean new killer is even more hilarious. We got a cooldown to use his power. we got a token system to limit how many dashes we can do, so cooldown on top of cooldown. On top of that, When we hit the survivor, we have to swipe his blade(Cooldown), than go into fatique(Cooldown) and the power itself has poor movement controls and bad lunge that you can easily sidestep. Its like dev said read all complaints about cooldowns and went like, "We'll show you cooldown and drawbacks". Well I think killers got the memo. Don't play new killers. Don't use new perks. I think if the killer power and killer perks had less drawback, maybe we could actually use these perks and the killer itself but who knows, wishful thinking.
The survivor already has decent perks to bail them out in almost any sticky situation. so if they get a good perk, Its more flavor and variety than competitiveness.
Sums up my thoughts for the most part as well.
"In general all killer perks suffer from same problem they got too many drawback."
This is the main point here. Between killers and killer perks these days they just stack piles and piles of negatives, drawbacks, counters and downsides on top of a mediocre effect.
For one example, I'd say at least 90% of the killer perks that have cooldowns could completely have them removed and none of them would be overpowered.
We could even apply this sentiment to a lot of killer addons as well, where they put downsides that are so harsh it ends up making it worse than the benefit it gives.
The general level of balance they seem to aim for is around rank 10 which leaves them all being extremely underwhelming when taken into a high rank game with actually good survivors that are trying to win.
Meh it would be the same if survivors got strong perks and killers got weak perks. I say on both sides keep complaining about the game, it seems they get all their ideas from community common complaints. Dragon's Grip seems their answer to survivors tapping a gen mid-chase to strop regression. Hex Undying obviously the answer to losing hex totems within minutes of entering the game. All their ideas come from the community. While I think they obviously ran out of ideas for survivor perks on this patch with Visionary being a bandaid fix to problems finding gens on maps like Midwich and Lerys it is pretty much a better Deja Vu. I'm more upset by their insistence in creating choke points by adding breakable walls every damn where on maps.
Perhaps, but I'm not so certain. I think the goal here is to force Survivors to take cleansing Totems seriously and as a result slow down the Gen-Rush that SWF has injected with steroids.
should have been basekit long time ago to be honest
This, so many perks as of recent have such annoying cooldowns and downsides, the only perk that really deserves such a cooldown was blood echo because ya know. Totally agree on restrictions being taken out to just make perks ok.
I think the issue with the problem is taking the word counter play far too literally. Perks themselves are suppose to be tactical advantages that in ideal setting have very good reliability and activate single match. I think the threading goal is they're thinking every perk needs drawback thus adding more counter-play when in reality it hinders the perk from ever activating in the first place and thus never gets used in any context whatsoever. Add-on have same problem, they're also meant to be straight improvements of power ideally scaling with rarity. Perks and add-on inherently are not suppose to have drawbacks. They're suppose to advantages or disadvantages that both sides play around in a given match. I feel killer powers are suppose to be like that as well and this new killer power feels like its boggled by too many restrictions so much so that it loses any skill expression and becomes like this niche tool that might get you a hit once or twice in entire match vs good players. Killers need perks that are very reliable and powers that can work in many contexts due to the 4vs1 nature of the game. Counter-play should be organic, not explicit and your not suppose to be able to hard counter killer perks or killer powers where doing X makes Y impossible. So i guess it is rank 10 balance to in some regards but I'd like to think there is more in-depth explanation to why these killer perks are so situational and why this killer power is so heavily dysfunctional.
I agree with your point.
Instead of letting players find counter play to the different perks/addons etc they build counter play into everything because they assume the survivors are so bad that they won't be able to figure it out themselves (rank 10's basically).
A lot of hand holding essentially.
Coordinated survivors can still just body block while one person destroys it. I mean, they already do when people run Thrill with any other hex. Sooooo (Only time it wouldn't work would be bubba)
You know why? Because the survivors got absolutely nothing from this..
Visionary -
You see gen auras within 32 meters (has a 20 second cooldown once a gen is complete)- Deja Vu is better and immediately shows 3 gens off the start of the match.Desperate Measure -
+10% Healing/Unhook speed per injured/downed/hooked survivor (40% max) -Botany & Knowledge gives a base healing speed of 33% and increases item efficiency without any requirements.Built To Last -
Once per trial refill a depleted items charges by 30% after 10 seconds -Do I even have to explain how bad this perk is? It'll give a purple medkit 9 charges which isnt enough for a single heal. The only thing this might give is 1 extra flashlight blind.I agree with this.
Doesnt mean survivors should have to want to bring down these killer perks because they are strong
Yeah I agree, not only is there alot of organic counter play but to every add on and perk theres a give in take when most times the take isnt warranted.
I'm confused. Isn't Soul Guard the perk that allows you to be put into the mending state if a killer hits you within 4 seconds of you recovering from being downed?
What does that have to do with Hex Perks and how is that a counter? or am I confusing it with another perk?
Pick yourself up if your downed if someone has a hex any amount of times and also if your healed a health state (which includes picking yourself up from the perk) you get borrowed time for 8 seconds and you dont get deep wounds I think
Why are you only using the T1 version of these perks?
Undying is utterly broken. And it's not the totem swapping and keping a hex alive, it's the revealing effect.
How in the world are you meant to cleanse a potential 4 ruin totems when every time you go near one your aura is shown? You can't even cleanse dull totems first to prevent it swapping. That's obscene.
The worst part of it is that it's a build that will impact solo survivors more than anyone because at lesat SWF can coordinate 2 people on 2 different totems at once so ONE will get cleansed without a chase, solos just have to cross their fingers and hope. And then noed hits everyone because even totem hunters don't want to touch totems.
I can see Undying being used a lot but it still in the PTB thing could change.
Just for fun here is every Killer perk in the game with a cooldown:
Soul guard only activates when you get picked up (or pick yourself up) from dying state, not on other health state. And you have to mend.
I think people overrate this perk. The DS, Unbreakable, Soul Guard combination may be annoying, but I think that's more on DS and Unbreakable.
Soul Guard on its own though.. I've played it for quite some time, because I really like the concept but it's really situational. I was able to use the endurance effect twice in all the time (both in SWF!), the standing up on your own part came never in play for me. You don't see hex perks super often and even if the killer has a hex perk, he still needs to slug to make soul guard come in play:
Ruin: In my experience killer tend to slug more late in the game, Ruin might be cleansed by then.
Haunted grounds: Doesn't count for soul guard, you are only exposed, not cursed.
Devour Hope: The killers I faced just hooked the people to get the Stacks.
Thrill of the hunt: Only faced it in combination with Devour, so no slug.
Noed: I expected to see Killers with Noed who slug, but most just hooked the survivor instantly. (Maybe they just wanted to secure the kill or were afraid of soul guard, idk)
So that was my experience with soul guard, like I said, I think it's a really cool perk, but also situational. I will bring it again with the new Killer, but I'm not sure if I will have better results.
On the topic of the post: Felix's perks aren't great but complaining about the killer perks doesn't make them better. And having new killer perks that might change the meta a bit sounds good to me.
Until you realise that Undying is the nail in the coffin of a basekit Hex rework and a bandaid-fix to the Hex system in general.
Your bias is showing.
It's time for a totem counter for survs
How many times did you see it?
Soul guard might not be as strong right now but soul guard can only get stronger with the introduction of stronger hex perks, as we see rn
Or use detective hunch