Proof that the Devs are not Survivor sided
The claim that the Devs are Survivor sided also includes the claim that the Devs will implement features such that the Survivors become more powerful given their implementation.
While it's easy to just point towards a list of Survivor buffs and declare that as the proof that this is the case, I don't necessarily think that's the case.
Specifically, instead of looking at things 1 patch at a time, rewind to a year ago.
Hatch couldn't be closed. EGC didn't exist.
DS worked on first down
More safe pallets
BL infinites and instant heals allowed for crazy long chases
probably a bunch of other things I'm forgetting about. But basically if you were suddenly thrust a full year into the past playing Killer would feel far worse than now.
If you go back even further the problem becomes even worse, trending all the way back to several infinite loops per map with no perks needed and no skill needed and also gens are even faster because ######### you.
The devs that brought us to this point are the same devs working on the game now. Yet there seems to be the idea that even though the game has been getting more and more balanced over time that the same devs that got us this far also are devs that want to make Killers suffer and hate progress and whatever other random idea people have.
I'm not trying to say that the problems people claim to exist don't exist. But rather, that over time the number of problems in the game has been going down and not up, and there is no reason why we should expect this trend to stop. Will all of our problems go away in one patch? No, but the trend has been positive, not negative. So try and consider the big picture before trying to call the devs biased and terrible or whatever.
Bloodlust, Entity blockers, the entire gen regression mechanic, Several killer animation speedups, the EGC and Hatch closing wouldn't have been added if the devs were truely as Survivor sided as people claim.
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Yes the game is still Survivor favored. The claim is that the Devs are not Survivor favoried and thus the game being Survivor favored is mostly due to huge initial mistakes rather than malicious intent.
I do however think the game is possible to balance, but that doing so properly is extremely difficult, hence it taking so many years.
Ok, then. Let's see YOU code an online game. Let's see YOU try to appease 2 groups of people who only stand on one of the two sides of your very specific style of game, and the people in between. You do all that, and deal with constant belittlement because one side doesn't feel appreciated enough.
It's not called being a sheep, it's called being a decent human being and using empathy!
Gamebreaking bugs should have the priority. Totally survivor bias right?
They also said multiple times that her basekit would have some changes and please show me where they insulted people.
It's time to stop the THEM vs US mentality.
You are not better than them in that case.
I play both sides equally and i'm gonna give you a non-biased opinion :
"Hatch couldn't be closed. EGC didn't exist."
This was necessary. It's not something you should put in survivor NERF, as it was creating hostage situation that wasn't healthy at all for the game. As survivor i would just run to the killer and let him/her kill me. As killer i would just wait in a corner to let the survivor find it or if i find the survivor before, i would give him the hatch or the hook depending how the game went.
"DS worked on first down"
Yus it worked on first down but you were forced to use it or have to wiggle to trigger it. I don't consider the DS change as a nerf but more as a buff, as all survivors have the same effect, they can choose when to use it and the killer cannot juggle them anymore.
"More safe pallets"
Depends on the map really. Take Ormont, it's basically a survivor sided map because of it's size and the really safe pallets, then you have Hawkins that is normal size, with a lot of pallets which are mostly unsafe.
"BL infinites and instant heals allowed for crazy long chases"
Balanced Landing "nerf" was necessary as it was the only exhaustion perk with a passive. It just got tweaked to be on the same ground as the others.
As for instant heals, like hatch they weren't healthy at all, as they were usually used to be toxic toward the killer and could be use without thinking and reward a survivor for making a mistake (like all the second chance perk (DS, DH, Unbreakable,etc))
It isn't just one bad update though, it's been continuous killer nerfs for the past 5 months. It's gotten to the point where I don't look forward to each update, because it comes with some unnecessary nerfs to killers that'll add more stress to playing them. I've even stopped buying new dlc now because the devs gut every new killer to low tier.
I forgot to mention this in my last post.
I really, really love this game (probably my favorite), i play a lot and draw a lot of fanarts.
I play both sides equally at red ranks, and saw the game gradually becoming more balanced.
But the feedback about the Hex: Ruin change didn't surprise me. I don't use Ruin for 3 weeks now and it actually let me see two things : it's one less thing to worry about but it's also more frustrating to play as killer than it use to be. As Trapper now i'm used to see 2 gens popped while i'm placing my traps or even crossed the map when i play on Ormont or Red Forest Realm. It's less frustrating for the early game, but once you caught and hook a survivor, you just need to start tryharding to even get 4 stacks of BBQ ( which is the way i win imo ) I saw myself forced to slug in order to apply pressure, or to stay closer to the hook than. When there is 4 survivors and no perk to slow the early game, it requires too much effort to pressure all the survivors at once, forcing you as a killer to tunnel/down a survivor in order to gain time, end a chase to come back to the hook, etc.
What probably made me realized the game was in favor of survivor at this time was the Patch Notes. It clearly is stated that the balance is made around new players and especially new survivors. That a new survivor would ruin the progress that a veteran player made on a gen (which just describe rank 1 survivor playing with their r20 friends, which shouldn't be possible in the frist place) That 80% killers use Ruin in red ranks but doesn't address the reason why. It's definitly not about an Emblem but more about not playing 5 minutes games and also countering "bad" map design, like huge maps.
I previously said i didn't use Ruin for 3 weeks, and during those weeks i tried different killers
High mobility killers with good map pressure are not affected at all or rarely :
Low mobility killers and setting killers suffers in early game :
There is the rest of the killers that i didn't test (Hag, Leatherface,Doctor,Legion) or don't play (Nurse , Billy, Ghostface, Huntress, Myers)
Necessary nerfs are only different from non-neccessary nerfs in terms of impact and quality.
A nerf being necessary is not a counter argument to a nerf being a nerf.
@NuclearBurrito and i never said it was.
Last I saw the survivor nerfs were 2x longer than killer nerfs.
Nice try
Citation needed
1 = a buff
-1 equals a nerf
A graph showing the amount of points each side have got. The lower the bar the lesser amount of points. Survivors are blue and killers are orange. This graph takes buffs and nerfs into account.
Clearly you can see which one has been nerfed more
Good post. Survivors have definitely been nerfed more, and killers have definitely been buffed more. This visual representation of it is fantastic IMO.
If this graph was up to date, it'd count nurse rework as 1...
Just comparing the quantity of tiny changes doesnt really work.
Yes yes. Killer bias etc.
This is one I've made in the past since the mid chapter that introduced Hallowed Blight. I haven't made one in a while
But I can simply keep it brief.
2019 nerfs for survivor:
Fast vault nerfs
MoM nerf (deserved)
BL nerf (meh)
Insta heal rework (deserved)
EGC
2019 nerfs for killers:
Legion update
Nurse Update
Oni change ( >( )
2019 buffs for survivors:
Pallets now spawn 8m on average from each other
2019 buffs for killers:
EGC
GF update
Demo change
There's much more that I can't think of from the top of my head atm.
I'll let you know when I find more but still just looking at this list tells you that survivors are still being nerfed more and more. The devs are clearly not survivor sided
*Counting EGC as a nerf*
Found the guy that doesn't understand the difference between a nerf and a gameplay overhaul. It was a nerf to both sides.
The EGC can be broken down into a series of individual gameplay tweaks, all of which can be evaluated in terms of buffs and nerfs.
The collapse itself is unequivocally a Killer buff.
Hatch closing is a big buff
Killer being able to open the game is a very small buff (due to Bloodwarden)
Killer not being able to hatch grab is a nerf when a Key exists and irrelevant otherwise
Hatch spawning with 4 or 5 gens is a Killer nerf
Overall a significant Killer buff.
Your first point, endgame and hatch, is not a killer buff.
That's more about ending standoffs and holding the game hostage, ON BOTH SIDES, not as a help to killers.
Ok buddy. I didn't know that a gameplay overhaul could not be deemed as an overall nerf.
Because that is exactly what EGC is. The only benefit survivors got was the killer not being able to grab from hatch escapes anymore. If you're telling me that killers closing the hatch and a 2 min timer before instant death regardless of what hook stage you're on isn't a survivor nerf then I don't know what to tell you
That's WHY there was a buff. The impact is what makes something a buff or not
I agree 100%. Everyone who is dissatisfied with the changes simply loves to win easily, and does not like the struggle for victory.
I think doing this took a lot of effort.
But honestly if you want to divide survivor and killer even more, thats the way to go. Breaking down these things into points without any meaning makes no sense for me. You even had things in there like "killer perks buff", like whats that? And how did you seperate killerbuff from survivor nerf and vice versa?
I think if you want it for a personal overview or to keep track of changes for yourself its fine. But I wouldnt recommend putting this in any kind of discussion in the forum.
Well it doesn't really need a meaning does it? If several perks have been changed or buffed to become stronger in any way shape or form then it's easier to just state it.
Many of them don't need explaining at all. These are literally the changes that have happened over the years. These aren't my opinions...
It depends on what you want to do with your papers. So why did you list several perk changes under one point?
I think just a list with changes would be better. You could also seperate the changes into categories.
Well its clearly influenced by your opinion by distributing point.
He's got a rather disingenuous list there lmao.
And popping that hatch closed activates end game perks like Adrenaline. The only way you can consider it a nerf is if you considered standing at the hatch for 3 hours intended gameplay meaning you not only have a disingenuous list, but also have no idea what to actually consider a nerf.
The alternative to closing the hatch and giving them adrenaline is them just escaping or a hatch standoff with them probably still escaping, so it's a buff.
Not even a buff, it's just a straight side grade that made for better flow instead of me standing on hatch for 3 hours until the survivor got bored and gave up
No, it's a direct buff. Now you can force a win, since in theory they can wait until the end of time making it a true 50/50 with the standoff scenario.
The Hatch close scenario is significantly better odds.