How many killers of the NEED Ruin against Highly optimal survivors?

Acesthetiic

Not Necessarily cream of the crop.

Lets say all 4 survivors have META perks hypothetically, I.e DS, borrowed time, Dead Hard/ BL, Adrenaline, etc. Maybe a few outliers, like Iron will or Spine Chill.

No items for survivors, no Mori/offering for killer.

Killers Add ons consisting of Green/yellow/brown rarity.

Which Killer(s) need Ruin to give them a chance to win?

DeKillerKiller

The only killers who I think need it are killers that are either too weak or require setup time.

That being Trapper, Hag, Clown, Legion, Plague and Demogorgon.

EnderloganYT

Trapper because the trap gathering

Myers cause depending on the add ons (hair) it could take a while to get the stalk juice out

ohheyitsbobcat

I would honestly say none of them need ruin because against really good survivors ruin is pretty pointless and you'd be better off with a different perk. I've had a few 6-7 minute games with ruin still up as killer and survivor both.

You don't see it too often but against those groups you're just better off using something else.

If were talking standard players then I'd say they all could benefit from it but Billy, Spirit, Nurse, and Freddy are all good enough where it's hardly necessary.

Acesthetiic

@ohheyitsbobcat said:

I would honestly say none of them need ruin because against really good survivors ruin is pretty pointless and you'd be better off with a different perk. I've had a few 6-7 minute games with ruin still up as killer and survivor both.

You don't see it too often but against those groups you're just better off using something else.

If were talking standard players then I'd say they all could benefit from it but Billy, Spirit, Nurse, and Freddy are all good enough where it's hardly necessary.

Ruin is going to waste time. Even if it’s only a little bit. It makes a difference. Especially for killers like Clown and Leatherface that don’t get any pressure at all other than chasing 1 survivor at a time. If the other 3 are doing gens early on, how is a killer like that going to win? Remember, we’re taking into account that the survivors are optimal and rarely make any mistakes. Your 6-7 minute game with Ruin up would’ve turned into a 3-4 minute game without Ruin. You have to take that into account.

Jallybwan

Ruin is good for early-game pressure, but if you want a perk to help with that, just run Corrupt Intervention.

Awakey

@[Deleted User] said:

I would say all except Freddy, Hag, Billy, Nurse, Spirit due to lacking initial map pressure and specific powers.

For the person who suggested Hag needs ruin, I respectfully disagree and find corrupt intervention much more useful on her.

+ 1

thefallenloser

Here's who I think:

1. Trapper - Needs setup time for traps, and he'll still lose a few gens even with Ruin up.
2. Wraith - Easily loop-able. Other than initial surprise attacks, good survivors won't be getting hit.
3. Doctor - Doesn't have much map pressure, and is very add-on dependent for any pressure at all.
4. Cannibal - Because it's Leatherface. Of course.
5. Pig - Her traps can slow down the game for a bit, but after she uses them all it's mega gen-rush.
6. Clown - Not much map pressure.
7. Legion - Though it's debatable if Corrupt Intervention would be just as useful.
8. Ghost Face - Has no map pressure. I main Ghost Face in purple ranks and he struggles there without Ruin. He's pretty add-on dependent, and isn't fast at all. His stalking takes too long compared to how quickly survivors can reveal you. Ruin is practically essential, especially in survivors sided maps (i.e. Haddonfield, The Temple, Coldwind, etc.).

DetailedDetriment

I believe that only Freddy, Demo, Hag, Myers, and Trapper need Ruin due to them starting the game off quite slow.

Yung_Slug

@thefallenloser said:

Here's who I think:

1. Trapper - Needs setup time for traps, and he'll still lose a few gens even with Ruin up.
2. Wraith - Easily loop-able. Other than initial surprise attacks, good survivors won't be getting hit.
3. Doctor - Doesn't have much map pressure, and is very add-on dependent for any pressure at all.
4. Cannibal - Because it's Leatherface. Of course.
5. Pig - Her traps can slow down the game for a bit, but after she uses them all it's mega gen-rush.
6. Clown - Not much map pressure.
7. Legion - Though it's debatable if Corrupt Intervention would be just as useful.
8. Ghost Face - Has no map pressure. I main Ghost Face in purple ranks and he struggles there without Ruin. He's pretty add-on dependent, and isn't fast at all. His stalking takes too long compared to how quickly survivors can reveal you. Ruin is practically essential, especially in survivors sided maps (i.e. Haddonfield, The Temple, Coldwind, etc.).

Have you tried the no-stalk strategy with Ghostface? I've gotten much better results that way. Still needs ruin or corrupt intervention though.

OMagic_ManO

Only for Killers who need some help setting up the beginning of the game without gens flying by.

Aven_Fallen

Honestly, 0. But since this is not available, I go for 1, because I think Huntress needs it, because she has the worst Map Pressure.

MegaWaffle

8 is my favorite number.

Endstille

Highly optimal?

All need it.

Walker_of_the_fog_96

I think legion,trapper,clown and leatherface need ruin

thefallenloser

@Yung_Slug said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/882966#Comment_882966

Have you tried the no-stalk strategy with Ghostface? I've gotten much better results that way. Still needs ruin or corrupt intervention though.

Yeah, I don't stalk all the time, typically when the survivors don't notice me. Even so, the fact that you have to essentially ignore half of his power to get any good use out of the Killer is really poor design.

Acesthetiic

@Aven_Fallen said:

Honestly, 0. But since this is not available, I go for 1, because I think Huntress needs it, because she has the worst Map Pressure.

You don’t think Clown needs it?

Zagrid

Highly optimal survivors play to escape. They can breeze through ruin or find it within 5 seconds of the game starting.

When the survivors play like Find gen, hold m1, finish gen, find next gen, repeat till all gens are done, then leave. There are only 3-4 killers who can actually do anything against that kind of a team and they have to use some pretty insane add ons and sweat their balls off.

Don't believe me? Here is video proof. https://youtu.be/F6Nb66nPbMY 99 videos of proof and I would argue these aren't even the most optimal survivors.

Too long didn't watch. Imagine a killer only being able to get 1 kill out of every 4 games. Meaning after facing 16 survivors they only kill 1 of them. That is what happens when survivors play to escape and they are good at it. Not even great, just good.