Really?

Vietfox

I kinda get why killers hate DS or SB, but asking for nerfs on SC? Really??
Also for BT? If u dont camp/soft camp BT is not activated.
Some of u wont be happy till survivors run without any single perk.

Orion

The problem with Self Care stems from a different problem altogether, which is that injuring Survivors has no significant effect. They can heal an infinite number of times, so the only way you can truly capitalize on that initial hit is by making sure they go down and then die. Self Care is a problem when combined with looping and safe spots, since Survivors can just heal up during a chase.

Sally55

@Vietfox said:
I kinda get why killers hate DS or SB, but asking for nerfs to SC? Really??
Also for BT? If u dont camp/soft camp BT is not activated.
Some of u wont be happy till survivors run without any single perk.

You shouldn't be able to infinitely heal your self. Especially during a chase. Self care enables reckless gameplay when you should be playing smart.

Vietfox

Orion said:

The problem with Self Care stems from a different problem altogether, which is that injuring Survivors has no significant effect. They can heal an infinite number of times, so the only way you can truly capitalize on that initial hit is by making sure they go down and then die. Self Care is a problem when combined with looping and safe spots, since Survivors can just heal up during a chase.

Sally55 said:

@Vietfox said:
I kinda get why killers hate DS or SB, but asking for nerfs to SC? Really??
Also for BT? If u dont camp/soft camp BT is not activated.
Some of u wont be happy till survivors run without any single perk.

You shouldn't be able to infinitely heal your self. Especially during a chase. Self care enables reckless gameplay when you should be playing smart.

Right, cause i got 0 deaths on all my playtime thanks to SC, and the healing speed is so OP as well. XD

Orion

@Vietfox said:
Right, cause i got 0 deaths on all my playtime thanks to SC, and the healing speed is so OP as well. XD

Maybe you should reply to what was actually said.

Vietfox

Orion said:

@Vietfox said:
Right, cause i got 0 deaths on all my playtime thanks to SC, and the healing speed is so OP as well. XD

Maybe you should reply to what was actually said.

I did

Beardedragon

playing survivor is a team game, why should you heal on your own? you can run, heal, and the entire chase is basically nullified because of that. its back to square one.

EpicFailTryHard

Orion said:

The problem with Self Care stems from a different problem altogether, which is that injuring Survivors has no significant effect. They can heal an infinite number of times, so the only way you can truly capitalize on that initial hit is by making sure they go down and then die. Self Care is a problem when combined with looping and safe spots, since Survivors can just heal up during a chase.

it is especially a problem for freddy.  if they made it so they couldn't wake themselves up with self-care, he would be better off.  that may be the only help he needs.

Vietfox

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Orion

@Vietfox said:
I did

Then you shouldn't have a problem pointing out where we said Self Care guaranteed you escaped or that Self Care has an amazing healing speed.

Vietfox

Beardedragon said:

playing survivor is a team game, why should you heal on your own? you can run, heal, and the entire chase is basically nullified because of that. its back to square one.

I wish every match was a team based game xD. U fail to understand that there are many selfish survivors around, that's why i run SC. And as a solo survivor 50% of the time

Russ76

I just hope they regress SC and not an immediate drop if you stop healing.  I have played with some idiots that will run up, get you to stop healing so they can do it, and then run off.  The regression gives some balance and isn't to big of a nerf to SC in my mind, and the benefit is that if it is still over powered the devs can slowly speed up the regression till it gets to a good middle ground

Beardedragon

@Vietfox said:
Orion said:

The problem with Self Care stems from a different problem altogether, which is that injuring Survivors has no significant effect. They can heal an infinite number of times, so the only way you can truly capitalize on that initial hit is by making sure they go down and then die. Self Care is a problem when combined with looping and safe spots, since Survivors can just heal up during a chase.

Sally55 said:

@Vietfox said:

I kinda get why killers hate DS or SB, but asking for nerfs to SC? Really??

Also for BT? If u dont camp/soft camp BT is not activated.

Some of u wont be happy till survivors run without any single perk.

You shouldn't be able to infinitely heal your self. Especially during a chase. Self care enables reckless gameplay when you should be playing smart.

Right, cause i got 0 deaths on all my playtime thanks to SC, and the healing speed is so OP as well. XD

you could continuously heal over time. heal a little there, heal a bit there. specially during pallet loops.

the smiley doesnt make you sound more clever.

Beardedragon

@Vietfox said:
Beardedragon said:

playing survivor is a team game, why should you heal on your own? you can run, heal, and the entire chase is basically nullified because of that. its back to square one.

I wish every match was a team based game xD. U fail to understand that there are many selfish survivors around, that's why i run SC. And as a solo survivor 50% of the time

what do you want me to do about the fact that survivors dont want to help other survivors?

its a team game no matter how you look at it. if every survivor was meant to be a great one on one combatant, why the hell would you need 3 other mates?

playing survivor is a team experience, or its meant to be. thats why they nerf Self-care because you're supposed to rely on mates for that.

Vietfox

Orion said:

@Vietfox said:
I did

Then you shouldn't have a problem pointing out where we said Self Care guaranteed you escaped or that Self Care has an amazing healing speed.

"injuring Survivors has no significant effect. "

There u go. Might not be the same but it sounds like u are saying is OP, which is not.
I run SC cause cant trust other survivors.

Vietfox

Beardedragon said:

@Vietfox said:
Orion said:

The problem with Self Care stems from a different problem altogether, which is that injuring Survivors has no significant effect. They can heal an infinite number of times, so the only way you can truly capitalize on that initial hit is by making sure they go down and then die. Self Care is a problem when combined with looping and safe spots, since Survivors can just heal up during a chase.

Sally55 said:

@Vietfox said:

I kinda get why killers hate DS or SB, but asking for nerfs to SC? Really??

Also for BT? If u dont camp/soft camp BT is not activated.

Some of u wont be happy till survivors run without any single perk.

You shouldn't be able to infinitely heal your self. Especially during a chase. Self care enables reckless gameplay when you should be playing smart.

Right, cause i got 0 deaths on all my playtime thanks to SC, and the healing speed is so OP as well. XD

you could continuously heal over time. heal a little there, heal a bit there. specially during pallet loops.

the smiley doesnt make you sound more clever.

If u let survivors heal a bit over here heal a bit over there u just suck as a killer

Orion

@Vietfox said:
There u go. Might not be the same but it sounds like u are saying is OP, which is not.
I run SC cause cant trust other survivors.

Thank you for proving you didn't read what I wrote. I said that was the bigger problem that Self Care was a small part of. Now I know I can ignore all your comments, just like you do others'.

Russ76

Vietfox said:

Beardedragon said:

@Vietfox said:
Orion said:

The problem with Self Care stems from a different problem altogether, which is that injuring Survivors has no significant effect. They can heal an infinite number of times, so the only way you can truly capitalize on that initial hit is by making sure they go down and then die. Self Care is a problem when combined with looping and safe spots, since Survivors can just heal up during a chase.

Sally55 said:

@Vietfox said:

I kinda get why killers hate DS or SB, but asking for nerfs to SC? Really??

Also for BT? If u dont camp/soft camp BT is not activated.

Some of u wont be happy till survivors run without any single perk.

You shouldn't be able to infinitely heal your self. Especially during a chase. Self care enables reckless gameplay when you should be playing smart.

Right, cause i got 0 deaths on all my playtime thanks to SC, and the healing speed is so OP as well. XD

you could continuously heal over time. heal a little there, heal a bit there. specially during pallet loops.

the smiley doesnt make you sound more clever.

If u let survivors heal a bit over here heal a bit over there u just suck as a killer

That is incorrect.  You, as killer, respect the pallet so you don't get stunned.  As you go to break pallet survivor starts healing.  Sure I would rather see survivor attempt to get away, but that isn't what they always do.  So anyway they healed a (very) little.  Run to next pallet and repeat.  I don't think it has ever saved a survivor from me, but it adds up.  (remember survivor main so not the best killer, but I hold my own)

Vietfox

Orion said:

@Vietfox said:
There u go. Might not be the same but it sounds like u are saying is OP, which is not.
I run SC cause cant trust other survivors.

Thank you for proving you didn't read what I wrote. I said that was the bigger problem that Self Care was a small part of. Now I know I can ignore all your comments, just like you do others'.

Thx, keep complainig about any survivor perk

yeet

self care is hands down the strongest perk in the game
it needs to be gutted

Twix

While you're at it remove all the pallets in the map, remove all the windows, put all 7 generators together in a radius of 10 meters max, let the map be completely plain so the killer can see you from very far away, getting smacked in the head should immediately drop you to the ground and leave you there lying on the floor, remove the crouch button from survivors to not hurt killer's feelings, and if a survivor uses a flashlight the entity puts a mirror in front of him so he blinds himself instead of the killer, remove swf, and then maybe, and that's a big MAYBE - killers will finally be happy.

Oh, before I forget, if somehow after all of that the killer still gets destroyed give said killer the ability to immediately ban any survivor that hurts his/her feelings.

Runiver

Yet another "survivor complaint full of non-arguments"
You forgot the usual "Killers just want ez 4k" at the end of your thread to be the perfect biased survivor.

Twix

@Runiver said:
Yet another "survivor complaint full of non-arguments"
You forgot the usual "Killers just want ez 4k" at the end of your thread to be the perfect biased survivor.

I'll remember this quote after all the nerfs to survivors and buffs to killers.

Vietfox

Runiver said:

Yet another "survivor complaint full of non-arguments"
You forgot the usual "Killers just want ez 4k" at the end of your thread to be the perfect biased survivor.

That's what a perfect biased killer would say ::chuffed:

morimebabsi

I just See many salty whiny babies. Thats for me even worse than all these nerfs. You all will drown in a ocean of tears.

Runiver

@Twix said:

@Runiver said:
Yet another "survivor complaint full of non-arguments"
You forgot the usual "Killers just want ez 4k" at the end of your thread to be the perfect biased survivor.

I'll remember this quote after all the nerfs to survivors and buffs to killers.

Sure do.
More nerfs are coming for survs since they're quite deserved since day 1 for the sake of making the game truly competitive and not a meme land.
Expect some map reworks and such to come, especially the semi-infinites, to have more mindgames and vision breaking for survivors than they currently have, because that's what is possibly coming in the mid-term for this game, along with some low-tier killer well-deserved buff.

@Vietfox said:
That's what a perfect biased killer would say ::chuffed:

Oh noes, the "NO U" argument, I lost.

Twix

@Runiver said:

@Twix said:

@Runiver said:
Yet another "survivor complaint full of non-arguments"
You forgot the usual "Killers just want ez 4k" at the end of your thread to be the perfect biased survivor.

I'll remember this quote after all the nerfs to survivors and buffs to killers.

Sure do.
More nerfs are coming for survs since they're quite deserved since day 1 for the sake of making the game truly competitive and not a meme land.
Expect some map reworks and such to come, especially the semi-infinites, to have more mindgames and vision breaking for survivors than they currently have, because that's what is possibly coming in the mid-term for this game, along with some low-tier killer well-deserved buff.

@Vietfox said:
That's what a perfect biased killer would say ::chuffed:

Oh noes, the "NO U" argument, I lost.

The only other change the game needs is a complete rework of the map, DS nerf, a balanced hatch change, and Bloodlust removed. Nothing else, at least not in my eyes.

Dragonredking

@Twix Pretty much my thought too. Maybe a little change about SC to make it not as predominant. but it might not be necesary.

Runiver

@Twix said:

@Runiver said:

@Twix said:

@Runiver said:
Yet another "survivor complaint full of non-arguments"
You forgot the usual "Killers just want ez 4k" at the end of your thread to be the perfect biased survivor.

I'll remember this quote after all the nerfs to survivors and buffs to killers.

Sure do.
More nerfs are coming for survs since they're quite deserved since day 1 for the sake of making the game truly competitive and not a meme land.
Expect some map reworks and such to come, especially the semi-infinites, to have more mindgames and vision breaking for survivors than they currently have, because that's what is possibly coming in the mid-term for this game, along with some low-tier killer well-deserved buff.

@Vietfox said:
That's what a perfect biased killer would say ::chuffed:

Oh noes, the "NO U" argument, I lost.

The only other change the game needs is a complete rework of the map, DS nerf, a balanced hatch change, and Bloodlust removed. Nothing else, at least not in my eyes.

SB could use some conditions, like other exhaustion perks.

GolgiNea

@Russ76 said:
I just hope they regress SC and not an immediate drop if you stop healing.  I have played with some idiots that will run up, get you to stop healing so they can do it, and then run off.  The regression gives some balance and isn't to big of a nerf to SC in my mind, and the benefit is that if it is still over powered the devs can slowly speed up the regression till it gets to a good middle ground

This is a great solution!

Orion

@Russ76 said:
I just hope they regress SC and not an immediate drop if you stop healing.  I have played with some idiots that will run up, get you to stop healing so they can do it, and then run off.  The regression gives some balance and isn't to big of a nerf to SC in my mind, and the benefit is that if it is still over powered the devs can slowly speed up the regression till it gets to a good middle ground

Just don't stop healing in that situation. That said, I like your suggestion, if regression is faster when the Survivor is moving.

Twix

Runiver said:

@Twix said:

@Runiver said:

@Twix said:

@Runiver said:
Yet another "survivor complaint full of non-arguments"
You forgot the usual "Killers just want ez 4k" at the end of your thread to be the perfect biased survivor.

I'll remember this quote after all the nerfs to survivors and buffs to killers.

Sure do.
More nerfs are coming for survs since they're quite deserved since day 1 for the sake of making the game truly competitive and not a meme land.
Expect some map reworks and such to come, especially the semi-infinites, to have more mindgames and vision breaking for survivors than they currently have, because that's what is possibly coming in the mid-term for this game, along with some low-tier killer well-deserved buff.

@Vietfox said:
That's what a perfect biased killer would say ::chuffed:

Oh noes, the "NO U" argument, I lost.

The only other change the game needs is a complete rework of the map, DS nerf, a balanced hatch change, and Bloodlust removed. Nothing else, at least not in my eyes.

SB could use some conditions, like other exhaustion perks.

It already has a condition, you can’t run or you’ll trigger it. You wanna make it an actual nerf to SB and not to the other Exhaustion perks? Then make it so you don’t recover Exhaustion while performing an action instead of while running. This makes it so that you can sprint with any Exhaustion perk from gen to gen, but if you sprint to a gen with SB you won’t recover. 

(Quick explanation as I have to go, hopefully you understand what I mean)