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They need to deal with the fact most games are done in the first sixty seconds of a match. Killers snowball super easy and a lot of them just aren't that fun to play against.

in Will the devs ever do anything about removing self from game on first hook? Comment by Sarrif July 19, 2024

@VomitMommy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3762633#Comment_3762633
Yeah the fix is still simple, even if you don't like it.
It's not a fix, if it breaks another things.
I can see there's no hope for any productive conversation here and any amount of evidence or examples will be brushed off or ignored.
They just need to be good ones, but you don't have that.
they are more or less hot garbage and not worth the time investment to use in most cases due to how easy they are to counter and how little value they give in return.
We still use CoH in SWF and most games I lose is because of Exponential... Well, that's more about the type of groups that use it rather than perk itself.
CoH is 8 seconds saved (so 16 in total) for each heal there. It's amazing for bodyblocking against tunneling.
So I'll digress, we have different wants for the game, I prefer a fast pace game where things are happening and you prefer something more akin to chess.
I want good chases from my games. Your idea of game limits that a lot.
Wanna fast paced game? Alright, let's see how players would like remote hooking basekit. We could lower overall gen time with that change. That's definitely going to be fast paced, basically nothing but chase.

I'm just not interested anymore as these are just verifiably untrue to anyone with experience actually playing survivor. Circle of healing actual time saved is going to be a lot less in real games as it takes multiple survivors being there healing together. So instead of two survivors healing somewhere else they have to run and move into the boon to get value out of that and that's assuming they aren't far away enough for it to be a net loss in time save as they then also have to move back to objectives from the boon.

Anyway, have fun but this is kinda boring at this point and I've made my point so peace out. Congratulations you win the internet argument I'm done.

in Let me disable spectator mode. I don’t want SWF players to spectate me. Comment by Sarrif July 18, 2024

@VomitMommy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3762622#Comment_3762622
Then have some basekit unbreakable features, again you are creating issues with very simple and obvious solutions.
Hell no, that just creates even more issues. As long there are things where slugging is only counterplay, or there are powers requiring slugging to be effective, nothing as basekit unbreakable should touch basekit.
"Fix is simple, just give meta perk basekit". What an idea...
Anyway, I mentioned several other basekit mechanics killers have to catch up, why are you singling out only one of them?
Alright
resource depletion via pallets breaking
Not a catch up mechanic. That's simply progression of the game.
Survivors get to deplete generator charges, is that catch up mechanic because of it?
for every gen popped there's no need to patrol another quarter of the map roughly speaking.
For every gen popped there is bigger area where survivors can run without worrying about hindering teammates.
If I chase killer there, then killer is screwed. Even he hooks me there then there is very little pressure from this, because he can't stay unless he is planning to lose...
So it's not like survivors don't get any advantages from finished gens. They just created "safe" area for them to chase/heal/boons.
So again, not a catch up mechanic.
And basekit 5% gen regression.
To some extent yes, but at cost of nerfing all meta slowdown perks and 3-gen feature was introduced.
But it works whole game same, so what exactly is about that to catch up. Catch up mechanic should increase in effectiveness, or be used only when needed, no?
So you wanna butcher all gen speed perks for few % increase when survivor dies? I highly doubt survivors would accept that.
3-gen was basically catch up mechanic / playstyle for killers and that got nerfed.

Yeah the fix is still simple, even if you don't like it.

Second, I can see there's no hope for any productive conversation here and any amount of evidence or examples will be brushed off or ignored. Take your mention of using boons for example, they are more or less hot garbage and not worth the time investment to use in most cases due to how easy they are to counter and how little value they give in return.

So I'll digress, we have different wants for the game, I prefer a fast pace game where things are happening and you prefer something more akin to chess. I respectfully dislike that kind of game.

in Let me disable spectator mode. I don’t want SWF players to spectate me. Comment by Sarrif July 18, 2024

@VomitMommy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3762586#Comment_3762586
I don't know why you think I would not be okay with a balanced and fun game.
Because it's terrible idea
Slowing gens down means 3-gen and slugging on rise. I don't think anyone would enjoy that.
If you increase speed whenever survivor dies, then there was kinda no point on killing that survivor, when it often increased survivor's efficiency on gens.
Bloodlust is a catch up mechanic dude
Catch up mechanic for chase, which many killers can't access. It's there literally only to fix weak killers and broken loops. It's not something to be used in every game no matter what.
What you are talking about is catch up mechanic for the result of whole game, which would be kinda difficult to not get use of.
You think it would improve behavior SWF and soloQ? If they feel like survivor wasn't good enough when he gets hooks, they actually have valid reason to let him die on hook. That sounds as terrible idea to me.

Then have some basekit unbreakable features, again you are creating issues with very simple and obvious solutions. Anyway, I mentioned several other basekit mechanics killers have to catch up, why are you singling out only one of them?

in Let me disable spectator mode. I don’t want SWF players to spectate me. Comment by Sarrif July 18, 2024

@VomitMommy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3762297#Comment_3762297
Bloodlust is killer specific thing, bloodlust doesn't really work for most killers and waste tons of time to use.
Your catch up mechanic equivalent would mean slowing survivor's repair speed for each gen finished as long they are all alive. 3-gen would be back on menu...
You fundamentally misunderstand the situation, people tend to want to play the game.
Amount of survivors to DC or suicide on first hook suggests otherwise...
You fundamentally misunderstand the situation, the situation where SWF snitch on soloQ has nothing to do with gen speed.
Even if you would finish all gens for them, you would have groups to do this. It's not about escaping for them, it's about that survivor not escaping.

Bloodlust is a catch up mechanic dude, literally there for killers that can't chase properly. And yeah if there's four survivors with little to no hooks I'd be okay with having gens go slower or giving more to the killer. I don't know why you think I would not be okay with a balanced and fun game.

Second yeah some people do DC or suicide on first hook but from what I see most of the times that's from the other survivors just kinda wasting time watching paint dry while they were in chase.

in Let me disable spectator mode. I don’t want SWF players to spectate me. Comment by Sarrif July 18, 2024

@VomitMommy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3760560#Comment_3760560
Oh really? Tell me then.

Catch up mechanics or alternative win conditions. There's no way two survivors could repair gens against a competent killer and god forbid there's more than one gen to fix. This is what causes people to hide for a half hour hoping the other will die because the match is objectively hopeless except for the hatch.

If you reduced the gen times per survivor dead that would not only fix the tunneling issue but also solve situations like this where the only real option is to wait for your teammates to die or sandbag them.

Catch up mechanics are already in the game for killers. They have blood lust for when killers are sucking at chases, resource depletion via pallets breaking, and for every gen popped there's no need to patrol another quarter of the map roughly speaking. And basekit 5% gen regression. So there's not really any reason not to have catch up mechanics for survivors as well at this point.

You fundamentally misunderstand the situation, people tend to want to play the game. If there's no chance at winning the normal way then they resort to stuff like this, not the other way around.

in Let me disable spectator mode. I don’t want SWF players to spectate me. Comment by Sarrif July 17, 2024

@VomitMommy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3760312#Comment_3760312
There will always be hopeless situations on both sides. You can't really fix it.

Nope, there's plenty of things you can implement to prevent that from happening.

in Let me disable spectator mode. I don’t want SWF players to spectate me. Comment by Sarrif July 16, 2024

The only solution is to stop treating all killers the same. Broken and overpowered killers need stuff like 60 second gen times while slow and more balanced killers could probably do with stuff like basekit corrupt or longer gen times.

in I don't think the gen rush problem can't be adressed Comment by Sarrif July 15, 2024

I'd say keep it at revive 1 survivor in exchange for one hook state. Being able to revive everyone is a bit too strong though it would be good to encourage killers to not tunnel as much.

in Invocation perks reviving sacrificed Survivors Comment by Sarrif July 13, 2024

I'm a bit more hesitant for Mastermind but your right, main reason Billy sucks now is because you can outplay him five times in a row but still end up loosing because there's no real penalty anymore for him missing a chainsaw besides a like 0.5 second animation.

Blight is still a blight on the game and while he does technically have a cool down it's not really noticeable to any extent.

in Killers that can quickly transverse the Map should need to reload their powers. Comment by Sarrif July 9, 2024

@[Deleted User] said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3754865#Comment_3754865
I would go further and say full server side validation.
It could be delayed for what i care (to secure a smooth gameplay). But it would surely keep a lot of cheaters away, as it would detect when someone did something that should be impossible.

Say less, fully with you there.

in If you could add ONE THING to the game, what would it be? Comment by Sarrif July 9, 2024

@Neaxolotl said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3752688#Comment_3752688
Fun is certainly not an objective opinion

So, to be clear you would be fine if survivors just could never die even if they mess up?

in My take on Billy Comment by Sarrif July 5, 2024

Sever side hit validation.

in If you could add ONE THING to the game, what would it be? Comment by Sarrif July 4, 2024

@Neaxolotl said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3752678#Comment_3752678
You will and absolutely can capitalize on it, just not indefinitely

Still not fun

in My take on Billy Comment by Sarrif July 1, 2024

@danielmaster87 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3747997#Comment_3747997
You're not supposed to last against him forever, even though that's usually what happens. Without Bamboozle, what loop can he easily get you at? Basically nowhere.

Yeah and that's not fun. If the killer ######### up massively then the survivor should be able to capitalize on it.

in My take on Billy Comment by Sarrif July 1, 2024

@Xernoton said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3747925#Comment_3747925
Ahh yes, because the killer gains map wide aura vision and the only counter is to go into the basement. After all Weave Attunement doesn't have any restrictions and is permanently active. You definitely cannot pick up the item again and the range isn't restricted either. This is truly one of the comparisons of all time.

Yeah it goes give map wide aura vision on some maps like hawkins or rpd. And even on more open maps the counter for survivors is to go and find an item and then waste time taking it to a dead zone all while your aura is revealed or you are oblivious.

in Weave without franklins Comment by Sarrif June 26, 2024

Yeah you hit the nail on the head. The issue with Billy now is that even when you outplay him and he misses you there's only like a 0.5 second cooldown before he can m1 you or try to insta down you again so it never feels like you can do much against him even when you do outplay him.

in My take on Billy Comment by Sarrif June 25, 2024

@LordGlint said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3747935#Comment_3747935
The entire point of this thread was Weave by itself. I'm not trying to argue the strength of a combo. If I say it's super duper amazing broken if combined with stuff and agree with you... can we then get to the topic? The trigger for this perk basically requires survivor cooperation or for me to tunnel someone so their item ends up on the ground. Can you reasonably think of a scenario where this perk functions by itself?

Okay fine, it functions by itself by hard countering chest builds and draumaturgy.

in Weave without franklins Comment by Sarrif June 25, 2024

@LordGlint said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3747925#Comment_3747925
That would be a terribly underwealming survivor perk if it took a basement camping Bubba to function, lol
Edit... reread your comment and saw my misunderstanding. My point being, the perk by itself is almost entirely useless since it requires survivors to willingly ditch their items. Is there any scenario where weave by itself would be functional? Not even GOOD, just... work.

Okay and? If something weak when combined with another thing is broken then it does not matter if that one thing is weak if when combined with another perk it's broken. Going back to my example it does not matter that the hypothetical perk I gave does nothing unless you use it for all four perk slots, the effect is still incredibly strong.

in Weave without franklins Comment by Sarrif June 25, 2024

Let's say survivors had a perk where the only way to counter it was for the killer to go to the basement for a minute and just wait around and until they did that their aura was permanently revealed. Let's say this perk somehow took up four slots as well, would that be okay balance wise?

in Weave without franklins Comment by Sarrif June 25, 2024

@Reinami said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3743060#Comment_3743060
I actually think they also need to do something for survivors to basekit deal with camping and tunneling. Yeah.
They should give kindred basekit among other things, but probably need to create a mechanic that deals with tunneling basekit, then nerf/rework perks like OTR and DS.
Sorry, did you think i was an "us vs them" kind of person and don't realize both sides have problems?

Honestly yeah, it's shocking but in a good way.

in Scott Jund's idea on how to fix Base Generator Regression - what do y'all think? Comment by Sarrif June 20, 2024

@Archol123 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3743060#Comment_3743060
Top mmr does not really mean much, because it is not the same as top level players... Let's just say there are only a hand full of killers that work well against really good survivors...
Well fairly obviously we need buffs to the basekit of many killers, the weaker ones... I don't really think that is comparable to those perks you mentioned though.

I think you are just not playing some killers well if that's what you think.

in Scott Jund's idea on how to fix Base Generator Regression - what do y'all think? Comment by Sarrif June 18, 2024

@Deathstroke said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3742084#Comment_3742084
What catch up mechanic killer has?

The later in the game the more killer sided it gets. There's less pallets, less places you need to patrol, resources against certain killers, and even if you play terribly as long as you get one person on hook at end game you can get a minimum of one kill though probably two or more if you run NOED.

in Sacrificing self for teammates is expected now? Comment by Sarrif June 18, 2024

@Reinami said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3742655#Comment_3742655
I like how billy is suddenly in this list these days, and blight still is despite massive nerfs.
But did you miss the part where i said to basically cut gen defense perks in half? The point is to do the thing they do with killers, when something like say:
Hey, deathslinger reload time feels bad when you don't have the addon, so now instead the reload speed being 2.8 seconds and the addon lowers it to 2.3 seconds, the default is 2.6 seconds and the addon still lowers it to 2.3 seconds.
So the idea is, if you take the perks, its probably about as strong as it was, and if you don't it doesn't feel bad. How you translated that into "i can't believe you want to buff nurse" is beyond me.
The fact that there is only a handful of competitively viable killers at top mmr, yet there are 30+ killers, is a big problem. We need to be fixing the 30+ killers that need to be fixed before we worry about the couple of ones that are too strong.

No, there's plenty of killers that are viable at top mmr. It's just there's a handful that have a guaranteed 100% winrate at high mmr because their powers are fundamentally overpowered.

Second, basekit buffs are insanely more powerful than nerfing a handful of perks because that opens up perk slots. Would you be okay if all survivors got basekit off the record and sprint burst but made the perks a lil bit weaker?

in Scott Jund's idea on how to fix Base Generator Regression - what do y'all think? Comment by Sarrif June 18, 2024

Because he's got too much going for him and him like a few other killers (nurse, billy, and spirit) are the main reason why killer perks can't be too strong or get nerfed. For example while stacking slowdown perks on say trapper is okay it's incredibly oppressive on killers like these.

in Why is Blight so hated? Comment by Sarrif June 18, 2024

@Reinami said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/417711/scott-junds-idea-on-how-to-fix-base-generator-regression-what-do-yall-think
I think it is bad because it creates yet another number that BHVR will horribly balance. They'll see that nurse has a low kill rate and her number will be high.
The thing that really just needs to be done is what they do with killers where addons become/feel "required" buff the basekit, and nerf the perks.
If killers had say:
10% base kick regression
200% base regression
30 second base corrupt
30 second base corrupt on hex totems
Time to kick gens becomes 2 seconds instead of 2.7
Nerf all the gen defense perks by about 25%-50% (depending on the perk) or just reworking ones that need it.
Things would be in a better spot, and this would be a good start to fixing stacking 4 gen defense perks, and gen defense being required for the balance of the game.

Wow that's a terrible suggestion, no offense but killers like billy, nurse, and blight should never get any kind of buffs.

in Scott Jund's idea on how to fix Base Generator Regression - what do y'all think? Comment by Sarrif June 17, 2024

@Neaxolotl said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3742285#Comment_3742285
Luckily the items tells you you are in radius, after you know that it's extremely easy to find the items and move it around
Definitely one of the easiest perks to counter for two perk combo
You are effectively killing an already mediocre perk, BHVR gonna do that anyway but still a bad idea

Indoor maps and keys exist. If we nerfed anti camp because of indoor maps we can nerf a perk.

in How Do You Feel About Weave Attunement? Comment by Sarrif June 17, 2024

It's too much when combined with franklins especially in solo q where it's essentially up to each person who drops their item to deal with it. As it stands free permanent aura reading with minimal counter play besides hope you remember the exact spot you got hit at after escaping chase is not that good. Personally I'd just have it where after two minutes on the ground the aura reading disables for that specific item.

in How Do You Feel About Weave Attunement? Comment by Sarrif June 17, 2024

It's a good idea, we need to break the idea that all killers should be treated the same.

in Scott Jund's idea on how to fix Base Generator Regression - what do y'all think? Comment by Sarrif June 16, 2024

You're entirely right. There's no survivor catch up mechanics in the game unlike with killers, so there's not really any reason to do anything but hide and hope the other person dies first.

in Sacrificing self for teammates is expected now? Comment by Sarrif June 16, 2024

@PreorderBonus said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3741586#Comment_3741586
To be fair, you can counter it. You can predict if Vecna will try to do it, and you can also watch his model because he raises his hand right before spawning the skeletons. Sometimes it's super obvious and easy to counter. For example, in a short loop, if Vecna is standing on the pallet and you're on the other end, he's definitely going to try it.
It's hard to say right now because this "tech" was discovered pretty recently. Not only is Vecna new, but playing this way is even newer (less than a week). I've played against Vecnas who did this, and I haven't been hit by it yet. The counter is literally just crouching in spots where it makes sense for Vecna to try this move.

Okay but he raises his hand and when you crouch they just m1 you but they still have their power… so?

in If Vecna gets his FOTD nerfed, he will be one of the weakest killers in the game Comment by Sarrif June 16, 2024

Yeah survivors have been in need of a lot of basekit buffs for awhile now to compensate but I don't think that's gonna happen sadly.

in Solo queue is not very fun right now Comment by Sarrif June 16, 2024

I mean it should be nerfed if it's uncounterable. If he can just get free hits then that's obviously not okay. Would you be fine if they brought back old brand new parts and survivors can just insta pop four gens?

in If Vecna gets his FOTD nerfed, he will be one of the weakest killers in the game Comment by Sarrif June 16, 2024

Yes

in Is Billy better than Blight now? Comment by Sarrif June 15, 2024

They are nerfed because they should be. As long as perks have the same effect for every killer it's never going to be fair that a nurse, blight, or billy can stack four slowdown perks and practically have a gaurenteed 4k every match.

in I dont get the logic Comment by Sarrif June 15, 2024

It's better to have unavoidable pallets than the hot garbage that's reworked haddonfield and whatever the heck that one pallet is on the new map.

in Am i the only one who thinks gideon meat plan have way too many unavoidable pallets? Comment by Sarrif June 14, 2024

@radiantHero23 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3740021#Comment_3740021
"I was literally in a 4man swf."
Thaf means you win automatically?

It means that we should have had a few escapes statistically.