GrannyonAcid
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I play more killer then I do survivor. But when playing survivor I NEVER get camped. I don't know why this is something that is brought up so often. Killers don't camp you. I feel like it's ridiculous to believe that you all get camped 24/7 but I never do. In fact it's usually the opposite. The killer always refuses to hook me a third time. Leaves me and gives me the hatch almost every game. I'm a rank 1 survivor. But I'm not really that good at the game. I don't pallet loop or abuse spots. I just run and do my best to survive a chase as long as possible. I don't use items. So no shiny flashlight every time he tries to hook someone. I don't bodyblock the killer to try and force him to lose out on a hook. I just play the game the way I feel like it's supposed to be played. And never get camped.
Think that maybe if you stop being an ######### that you might not get camped? Regardless if you agree with the killers mentality... If everyone just started playing the game without being afraid to lose, there wouldn't be camping! Players don't camp because it's fun. They camp because you mock them or making the game boring.
.... And I noticed in a post up there. I agree. If they add this to the game I will probably camp to keep my rank lower. I don't really enjoy the toxic rank 1 gig. This will be perfect.
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@Kilmeran said:
@GrannyonAcid Oh absolutely. Years ago, Blizzard admitted that less than 10% of their player base in WoW even touched raiding, never mind the small percentage of that base 10% that were hardcore. That was why they eventually created the LFD and LFR modes, for those people. And LFR is the most used mode. And what is it? The casual mode.I played WoW from Beta until Legion (so, 2004-2018, then I left it behind and didn't buy BFA) and until LFR in 2011, I never touched a single raid in the game. From 2011-2018, I only did LFR raiding.
Blizzard made its fortune understanding that casuals are the majority. Even Vanilla WoW was marketed directly (and loudly) to the casual players. By today's standards Vanilla WoW isn't casual, but back in 2004 when the MMOs were EQ1, SWG, and all the other ultra-time sinks, WoW was very casual for that market. That's why it exploded mainstream like it did, and introduced millions of new people to the MMO genre. It's also what helped cause the first design shifts, because other studios wanted some of those new people and knew that the pre-WoW designs were not going to grab them.
I've always felt like this is why DBD never put in an unranked mode. I think they realize that ranked mode would die and everyone would play the unranked version. Mostly due to people slowly changing from ranked to unranked. Then eventually all the super elitest try hards would get sick of waiting for games and join over to casual. I'm not trying to act like I know what everyone wants. But I feel like almost everyone wants this game to be a casual fun game. And right now it's easy to rank up... Which means the players that want to enjoy the game are forced into playing with the players that take the enjoyment out of the game.
A few survive with friends bully squads... Yep... Going to queue up for unranked for awhile. So I can actually enjoy the game. I think that they should do the main game as a casual mode. Just take the ranked game mode and turn it into unranked. Then come up with an actual ranked mode. I'm not talking little pretty numbers next to your name. I'm talking about turning it into a game that people compete in. Killer gets to ban 5 thinks from the game. Survivors get to ban 5 things from the game. (Means everything. You can ban perks, maps, add ons, items. Whatever you want). I probably wouldn't partake in that game mode myself. But at least it would be there for the people that think DBD is on its way to becoming an esport.
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@Kilmeran said:
@Thetruth said:
Haven't been "rekt" at all. No doubt I'm better in anything I do versus you. Grats to being a "Vet" or a "Pro" on a game with maybe a player base of 200 players. Tell ya what though your anger is very amusingWell, it does hit 25k-30k players a day on the Steam Charts in the early afternoon, east coast time. Then drops to 13k-15k in the evenings. So, more than 200 people, but a small community, no doubt.
I don't know what console has for population. I only know what Steam reports.
DBD had a decent sized player base for sure. 25k-30k players a day is not terrible. There's plenty of people that can't get on everyday either. So let's say the population is like 70k people that actively play the game between steam and console. I promise you that 65,000 of those 70,000 players are 'casual' ... Meaning they play the game for fun and not for the competitive aspect.
Me and my friends were just having this conversation about WoW.... Not that I even play these days. But one of my friends will sit on discord and flame everyone that makes a mistake in his raid or dungeon group. And we've been trying to explain to him.... That there's a very small % of the game that actually raids or takes dungeons seriously. So rank doesn't matter. There's probably I'd say 500 DBD players that think they're good at the game.
And I mean like legit think they're good at the game. I get rank 1 on both sides so I'm like... Yeah I'm pretty decent at the game. I know rank 1 isn't super easy to achieve. With time anyone can achieve it. That's the point. But there's probably only 500 people that actually brag about being ranked 1 in DBD. And probably like 10 players in the world that are as crazy as the creator of this post. This is some scary kind of ego. This is like... This OP is probably actually going to turn into a DBD killer IRL.
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@Thetruth said:
@GrannyonAcid said:
Okay. Well it is clear that Lowbei has some serious mental health issues to work out on his own. For someone talking about other peoples egos... You sure as hell seem to have one yourself. I'm sorry to see that DBD has you so wound up in the competitive scene. That it doesn't have and never will. "Everyone here knows I only play at rank1 both sides." ... Like seriously? How many people here even know who the heck you are? Probably not many people.Lol dude hes a no one and the fact that he boasts about being a sweaty in a 20 dollar indie game like this is pathetic and desperate. but god damn its hilarious
So is this a serious topic from him or a bait post? I feel like it has to be bait at this point. I've stated numerous times that I am terrible at this game. Yet I still hit rank 1 whenever I play. I don't think anyone can be this delusional to think that hitting rank 1 in DBD is difficult.
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I totally get you. I'm 31 only. I think as you get older you start to realize things aren't as important. I kinda been like that since 25. I got ######### tendonitis in my wrists. I can't be competitive at jack #########. If I play too much on the PC my hands go numb. So there's like no way for me to be competitive really. Kind of hard to be a top player at anything when you lose feeling in your hands.
I never played Overwatch. Wasn't my cup of tea. But League of Legends for sure. And everyone gets mad and flames once in awhile. But for the most part I never let any of that ######### get under my skin. It should be easy to understand that other peoples commitment might not be the same as yours. There's just also the fact that everyone 'has a bad game.'
I take a lot of breaks from DBD. Mostly for the reason that you were stating. I'll play for two months. Then people ruin the fun for me. I get to rank 1 and hate the game. It's legit not a fun thing to do. But I'm also not going to just DC over and over again or whatever people do to derank. DBD has literally replaced COD for me. That's why I used it as an example before. It's a game that you can just let your mind go numb and relax. Stress relief. It has that feeling to it. Or at least some people like me and you agree on that. Other's I guess take it way too serious.
You should add me on steam sometime and we could SWF or something. I'm not a great survivor. Still get rank 1 all the time. But my teammates probably hate me because I ######### suck lol. - Granny on Acid - is my steam name.
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Okay. Well it is clear that Lowbei has some serious mental health issues to work out on his own. For someone talking about other peoples egos... You sure as hell seem to have one yourself. I'm sorry to see that DBD has you so wound up in the competitive scene. That it doesn't have and never will. "Everyone here knows I only play at rank1 both sides." ... Like seriously? How many people here even know who the heck you are? Probably not many people.
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@Kilmeran said:
@GrannyonAcid Yeah, I can't fathom why they made a Rank-only mode, or a Rank mode at all, for a game that is obviously never meant for an eSport or even an actual competitive scene. It would have been better to just have a hidden MMR that matched players against each other, which would still have effectively kept the High MMR experienced Vets from steamrolling new players.Instead, Behavior went this way, and it makes no sense to me.
It'd mind blowing the community that DBD has. Mental health issues is what I would say most of the community has. Back in 2016 when this game came out. It was full of infinite juke spots. Spots in every single map... 2-3 of them a map. Where you couldn't catch a survivor at all. There was no bloodlust or anything like that. Every time they got injured they would run to these spots and do the same loop over and over again. Without a possibility of getting caught. Then they'd go on your profile and say, "Get your ankles broken." "Get good kid." ... They flaunted like they were a starting pitcher throwing a perfect game in MLB.
Winning because of spots that make it so you CANNOT lose! But people still found a way to make it competitive. Stroked their ego to something they couldn't lose at. Of course not all players used them. Probably just 80%.
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@Lowbei said:
GrannyonAcid said:@Lowbei said:
GrannyonAcid said:
I wouldn't flatter yourself too much. Not sure where you get these facts that the average player is bad. I don't think it's possible to sit between rank 10-20 if you play on a regular basis. I started playing DBD again after a 6-8 month break about a week ago. Already at rank 5 survivor and like rank 7 killer. Pretty much every game is an easy pip. Ranking up as killer seems slightly more challenging. But possible. Either you face really good teams or really bad teams. There's no way that in a week of coming back to the game and not even knowing what the new killers do or the new survivor perks should I be high ranked like that. Every time I face a Freddy or a Pig I freak out because I have no idea what the hell they do. I haven't learned how to avoid dream state or how to avoid Freddy. I have no idea why this pig [BAD WORD] comes charging at me out of no where. Still game is super easy to climb. The people sitting at rank 10-20 are probably people that casually play the game. Maybe a few games a week. Anyone that puts any effort into the game should be rank 1. The point is you're not good for being high rank. All you have to do is play the game a lot and you automatically get rank 1. Killer might be hard to rank up if you're new at the game... But rank like 10-20 as killer is full of survivors that just get in a closet in front of you. So even they shouldn't struggle to rank up. Survivors you can simply rank up over and over again and never get chased. There's so many AFK generator players on the game. They rank up and just crouch walk around the map and hold mouse 1. That doesn't make them a good player. Guess all I'm saying is rank really doesn't matter. I find it hard to believe that I barely know anything about the game right now and I'm "Above average." I couldn't imagine playing the game for a long period of time if I never survived or never got a kill. So I really really really... Doubt that anyone that plays on a regular basis is rank 10-20. Face it. Most of you rank 1-5's aren't even good. Myself included right now. It's just that easy to get there. So no rank doesn't matter. spoken like someone whos never even played at rank1 (accurate based on your statements) and who has no clue that rank1 play is far more challenging than rank10 or rank5 even. no its not hard. no game is hard, however “more challenging” is a factor, in any game setting. this post is for vets, not casuals. i dont expect casuals to ever get anywhere in any game. when you become more experienced, this post will make more sense.
i fully expect the average rando to take offense to this post. looks like i was right.
Didn't take offense to the post. I put an edit in to more explain my point if you didn't know what I was getting at.
Unlocked Jul 17, 2016 @ 9:18pm
Legendary Killer
Reach Killer rank 1
Rank 1 killer from the first month of the game. Back when the game was full of cheating and infinite jukes.
again, reaching rank1 means nothing. play there. the game is fluid, changes constantly, and is nowhere the same as it was in 2016. you clearly think your achievement means something, which is why you brought it up, no offense.
Kilmeran said:@Lowbei said:
Attackfrog said:
I gain blood points faster at lower ranks. Lower ranks are better for leveling my killers. And if the vast majority of players suck, and are at lower ranks, why not support the majority of the player base? everyone gains bp faster at lower ranks. grinding shouldnt be your endgame, and after a few hundred hours, your focus should shift from grinding to fun/competition in this competitive game. im not saying dont support low rank randos. most low rank randos dont often stream at all. im saying that the people you should be supporting are the ones not dcing, and actually playing at rank1, because its better for you as a viewer to see real skill, than to watch deranked swf bully low level killers. and again, if you are capable of playing at rank1, do that. you arent gaining skill by playing at rank15. bloodpoints come and go, they shouldnt be your focus. if your focus is bp, you probably arent really having fun, and definitely arent competitive. im putting this out there to help people like you, who are content to a life of mediocrity (averageness) instead of reaching your potential.
be more epic. i know its in you. no offense, but you people need to reach down there, find your balls, and use them.
But you fail to consider players like myself. I came to DBD from 2+ years in Overwatch where I did play Competitively and in the ranked matches. You know what? It finally wore away at me and helped cause me to hate playing the game. Playing Overwatch and maintaining rank went from being a fun game to being a chore. Even enjoying casual Quick Play after that was a lost cause. I just didn't want to look at the game anymore.
When I came to DBD, I specifically did so to just have fun playing a couple of my favorite horror movie Killers. I don't give a damn about Rank except as far as the queue times are concerned, and really have zero interest in playing DBD competitively. Been there and done that, and am done with it. Behavior chose to have a ranked-only mode if you want Bloodpoints, but I refuse to worry about their ranks.
I will likely only ever be mediocre in DBD, and I am perfectly fine with that. I refuse to play this like I did Overwatch.
no worries, nobody is forcing you to compete. you fit into the category i mentioned when i said that the average player doesnt like the term average, and gives themselves an excuse to not play there, instead of simply stating “i dont play dbd competitively” and leaving it there, because of ego, no offense.
I was not posting my rank achievement to brag. In your previous post you decided to call me a casual. You said that I sounded like someone that has never played at rank 1. And then I just throw that there to say... Hey I'm not a casual and I have always been top ranked. And then you act like I was bragging. And you went and changed the title of the threat to Vets only. Which seems really stupid. You have no idea on here whose new and who just started playing. Why do you care so much how others play the game? Are you the DBD police?
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@Kilmeran said:
@Lowbei said:
Attackfrog said:I gain blood points faster at lower ranks.
Lower ranks are better for leveling my killers.
And if the vast majority of players suck, and are at lower ranks, why not support the majority of the player base?
everyone gains bp faster at lower ranks. grinding shouldnt be your endgame, and after a few hundred hours, your focus should shift from grinding to fun/competition in this competitive game.
im not saying dont support low rank randos. most low rank randos dont often stream at all. im saying that the people you should be supporting are the ones not dcing, and actually playing at rank1, because its better for you as a viewer to see real skill, than to watch deranked swf bully low level killers.
and again, if you are capable of playing at rank1, do that. you arent gaining skill by playing at rank15. bloodpoints come and go, they shouldnt be your focus. if your focus is bp, you probably arent really having fun, and definitely arent competitive.
im putting this out there to help people like you, who are content to a life of mediocrity (averageness) instead of reaching your potential.
be more epic. i know its in you. no offense, but you people need to reach down there, find your balls, and use them.
But you fail to consider players like myself. I came to DBD from 2+ years in Overwatch where I did play Competitively and in the ranked matches. You know what? It finally wore away at me and helped cause me to hate playing the game. Playing Overwatch and maintaining rank went from being a fun game to being a chore. Even enjoying casual Quick Play after that was a lost cause. I just didn't want to look at the game anymore.
When I came to DBD, I specifically did so to just have fun playing a couple of my favorite horror movie Killers. I don't give a damn about Rank except as far as the queue times are concerned, and really have zero interest in playing DBD competitively. Been there and done that, and am done with it. Behavior chose to have a ranked-only mode if you want Bloodpoints, but I refuse to worry about their ranks.
I will likely only ever be mediocre in DBD, and I am perfectly fine with that. I refuse to play this like I did Overwatch. I've decided as of tonight to not even chase the teachable meta-perks, because I'm just not going to sit here and look at Bloodpoints and what a [BAD WORD] grind that is for a new player.
Nothing wrong with anything you said. I think a lot of players are like that. DBD to me and a lot of people I feel is just one of those games that you are supposed to play for fun. It isn't suppose to feel like a grind. It's not about being really good at the game. It's like CoD... Call of Duty is something barely anyone takes competitively. But they like it cause you can just throw it on after work or school and play casually. DBD has the same feel to me. There's not supposed to be a competitive scene. Players just always feel like anything with a ranked mode has to be competitive.
Taking the ranked mode out of DBD would be great. At least a change I would enjoy. It would feel good to have players of all skill levels. You can have the rank 1's that pallet loop and 'break your ankles' for a few minutes mixed in with mediocre players. So that it doesn't become a terrible experience. I'm hating my life as I climb the ranks. I don't want to get back to rank 1 either. It just becomes a nightmare. The games aren't fun.Killers talk #########, survivors talk #########. People act like this is a game like League of Legends where it takes skill. There's literally a very small ceiling for skill level in DBD.
So play the game how you feel. Don't let this kid tell you what to do. Maybe a non competitive queue would be a godsend. This game might actually grow its player base. No one wants to be learning this game with how toxic the community is. Give players that are just playing the game for fun a chance to do so. Without getting flamed.
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@Lowbei said:
GrannyonAcid said:I wouldn't flatter yourself too much. Not sure where you get these facts that the average player is bad. I don't think it's possible to sit between rank 10-20 if you play on a regular basis. I started playing DBD again after a 6-8 month break about a week ago. Already at rank 5 survivor and like rank 7 killer. Pretty much every game is an easy pip. Ranking up as killer seems slightly more challenging. But possible. Either you face really good teams or really bad teams.
There's no way that in a week of coming back to the game and not even knowing what the new killers do or the new survivor perks should I be high ranked like that. Every time I face a Freddy or a Pig I freak out because I have no idea what the hell they do. I haven't learned how to avoid dream state or how to avoid Freddy. I have no idea why this pig [BAD WORD] comes charging at me out of no where. Still game is super easy to climb.
The people sitting at rank 10-20 are probably people that casually play the game. Maybe a few games a week. Anyone that puts any effort into the game should be rank 1.
The point is you're not good for being high rank. All you have to do is play the game a lot and you automatically get rank 1. Killer might be hard to rank up if you're new at the game... But rank like 10-20 as killer is full of survivors that just get in a closet in front of you. So even they shouldn't struggle to rank up. Survivors you can simply rank up over and over again and never get chased. There's so many AFK generator players on the game. They rank up and just crouch walk around the map and hold mouse 1. That doesn't make them a good player.
Guess all I'm saying is rank really doesn't matter. I find it hard to believe that I barely know anything about the game right now and I'm "Above average." I couldn't imagine playing the game for a long period of time if I never survived or never got a kill. So I really really really... Doubt that anyone that plays on a regular basis is rank 10-20.
Face it. Most of you rank 1-5's aren't even good. Myself included right now. It's just that easy to get there. So no rank doesn't matter.
spoken like someone whos never even played at rank1 (accurate based on your statements) and who has no clue that rank1 play is far more challenging than rank10 or rank5 even.
no its not hard. no game is hard, however “more challenging” is a factor, in any game setting.
this post is for vets, not casuals. i dont expect casuals to ever get anywhere in any game.
when you become more experienced, this post will make more sense.
i fully expect the average rando to take offense to this post. looks like i was right.
Didn't take offense to the post. I put an edit in to more explain my point if you didn't know what I was getting at.
Unlocked Jul 17, 2016 @ 9:18pm
Legendary Killer
Reach Killer rank 1Rank 1 killer from the first month of the game. Back when the game was full of cheating and infinite jukes.
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I wouldn't flatter yourself too much. Not sure where you get these facts that the average player is bad. I don't think it's possible to sit between rank 10-20 if you play on a regular basis. I started playing DBD again after a 6-8 month break about a week ago. Already at rank 5 survivor and like rank 7 killer. Pretty much every game is an easy pip. Ranking up as killer seems slightly more challenging. But possible. Either you face really good teams or really bad teams.
There's no way that in a week of coming back to the game and not even knowing what the new killers do or the new survivor perks should I be high ranked like that. Every time I face a Freddy or a Pig I freak out because I have no idea what the hell they do. I haven't learned how to avoid dream state or how to avoid Freddy. I have no idea why this pig ######### comes charging at me out of no where. Still game is super easy to climb.
The people sitting at rank 10-20 are probably people that casually play the game. Maybe a few games a week. Anyone that puts any effort into the game should be rank 1.
The point is you're not good for being high rank. All you have to do is play the game a lot and you automatically get rank 1. Killer might be hard to rank up if you're new at the game... But rank like 10-20 as killer is full of survivors that just get in a closet in front of you. So even they shouldn't struggle to rank up. Survivors you can simply rank up over and over again and never get chased. There's so many AFK generator players on the game. They rank up and just crouch walk around the map and hold mouse 1. That doesn't make them a good player.
Guess all I'm saying is rank really doesn't matter. I find it hard to believe that I barely know anything about the game right now and I'm "Above average." I couldn't imagine playing the game for a long period of time if I never survived or never got a kill. So I really really really... Doubt that anyone that plays on a regular basis is rank 10-20.
Face it. Most of you rank 1-5's aren't even good. Myself included right now. It's just that easy to get there. So no rank doesn't matter.
EDIT: And incase you didn't get my point... Eventually those low rank players are going to have to rank up and play against better players. Not that I believe there's a huge skill gap between rank 10-20 and 1-10. But certainly people that are 1-10 have more time played. They've gathered general knowledge of the game. It's okay to beat up on the new killers or survivors. I mean they literally force us to once a month when they reset rank. It just puts everyone back to rank 20 and the newbs get burned for days. It helps them learn. People are doing them a favor by giving them a look into what is in their future. A lot of players that don't want to be meme'd on by sweaty survivors might quit the game. Probably best for them to do it before they invest the time.
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I am assuming this 'encounter' wouldn't last long. My answer would have to be Hag & Spirit. Just because they're not human.
If I seen the rest of the characters I'd just assume that it was a normal human wearing some kind of costume to ######### with people. I'm not one to really stare at someone. So I'd just be like... Hey that's a really convincing costume and go on my day. So running into the Hag or Spirit would be like... Okay that's not a ######### costume. That's a ######### creature and it wants to ######### kill me.
The encounter chase wouldn't be long. I'm assuming that I'd just die within 20 seconds. Unless this killer is actually not that strong and I can man handle him/her. There's no pallets laying around in normal places IRL. Even if there was.... They'd be the worst case defense. Dropping them isn't going to help. You'd have to hope for a chep pallet and be able to throw it towards them. Chep pallets are the heavy as ######### pallets.
My house personally has air conditioners in most of the windows. Ones that barely fit in there. So there's no way of getting through most of my windows. Also depends on how many stories this building is. Jumping out of a building is never an option. I don't know. I'm over thinking this. I'm just literally dead as ######### within 20 seconds. So the mechanics of these killers ain't going to matter. First impression would be everything. I'd never be able to figure out Leatherface was wearing a mask. Or that the Hillbilly wasn't just some nice dude that got into a terrible accident.
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@RESTtheASSASSIN said:
@GrannyonAcid said:
Well getting rewards isn't even in the game and probably won't. Games over 2 years old. And I don't get the argument about getting better rewards for playing longer. I think games are trying to avoid that approach. It's really bad for the game. "Hey! You live in your parents basement and have never held a job, you get rewarded!" Why would it be fair to be like... "Hey! You work a full-time job and have two kids to raise. You don't get as much! How dare you take care of your family. Should disappear on them to get more rewards!"Sounds personal to you... I get paid to play... sorry your career path won't allow it.
Not personal to me at all. I have plenty of time to play video games. I'm just also willing to look at the big picture for other people. I have tons of friends that game and have a ton of responsibilities. I feel bad for them. I know they'd love to play just as much as I do. I'm just not selfish enough to think I should get better rewards because I have it easier.
My career path isn't optimal for gaming. There's no such thing as playing on a computer in my job. No doubt in my mind that I would feel rewarded getting to sit at a desk all day and play games.
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Just don't let SWF get to your head. Play the game like you would against anyone else. Have fun. Let them bully you if they choose. Sometimes it can be a bit challenging. But the next game might be better. I personally don't mind when they gen rush. That's the best result. They do the gens in 3 minutes and open the door and get out. I just hate the bullshit. The instant flashlights and body blocking that avoids you getting to hook people. Instant medkits and other crutches that prevent you from finally getting a kill when you earned it. In the end ranking up doesn't matter. And if you get to kill one of them you know they're going to be upset.
Probably the best feeling when you get a kill on a SWF player. Get to the end-game chat and they start flaming you with whatever excuse they have for dying. Enjoy those moments. They're sweet.
I've always been able to reach rank 1 survivor and killer really easy. I play killer a lot more because it's enjoyable when the game feels fair. I jump on survivor when I'm just not getting anything done as a killer. I don't enjoy repairing generators. When I survive I personally try to get chased during the game. It's not because I don't 'fear' the killer. It's because surviving isn't important. I want to be useful to my team. I'm not even good at looping. I always get hit when I try to loop. I'm just pretty decent at moving around the map to get a 3-4 minute chase out of a killer. Feel like if you can all do that one time in a match... easy win. These SWF teams are literally spending multiple hours just holding mouse 1. Start feeling sorry for them. Don't let them get into your head.
I can get bullied and looped all day long by the best SWF teams. When I catch them by surprise and 4 kill them or take two of them down and get flamed for it. It makes all those other games worth it.
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Well getting rewards isn't even in the game and probably won't. Games over 2 years old. And I don't get the argument about getting better rewards for playing longer. I think games are trying to avoid that approach. It's really bad for the game. "Hey! You live in your parents basement and have never held a job, you get rewarded!" Why would it be fair to be like... "Hey! You work a full-time job and have two kids to raise. You don't get as much! How dare you take care of your family. Should disappear on them to get more rewards!"
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I've never had a team use a key on me before. So I don't really think that this could be that big of an issue. This might happen once every 500 games? I'm not sure on the stats. I think there's just a lot of other things that are busted and actually make an appearance in the game.