BVHR: It is time to actually punish colluders
A quick rundown:
I was playing solo, as I normally do, in a match against a Slasher. Within the first 30 seconds, two survivors were immediately downed while I was working on a generator. The killer was running the incredibly overtuned 4-hex build — Ruin, Pentimento, and the rest.
I did my best to find openings to get them off the ground or unhooked, but the third survivor went down shortly after and was hooked. I managed to get all three off the hooks for a reset. However, within a minute they were all back on the hook or dead.
I saved two of them again, but couldn’t get the third because the Slasher was patrolling. A minute later, I went back to working on a gen, and of course the killer quickly found the others, downed both, and hooked one. No generators had been done the entire time thanks to my incompetent teammates.
I went to pick up the downed survivor, but they started wiggling their head “no,” so I left them alone. The Slasher picked them up anyway, walked around trying to find me, and dribbled them until they broke free. That survivor then ran straight to me, deliberately leading the killer to my location. They downed me, and then the two of them unhook-farmed me over and over until I died.
How is this fair? I was clearly better than my team, yet I got punished the hardest because of a toxic survivor colluding with the killer. I’m so tired of terrible, entitled survivors getting away with teaming up with the killer and never facing punishment. Both holding the game hostage and colluding (survivor with killer or vice versa) are against DBD’s ToS, yet it’s incredibly prevalent.
It’s crazy that people not only do this but that others in the community actually support it and see no issue with it. This behavior ruins the spirit of the game and spreads toxic, unsportsmanlike play. It should not be tolerated.
Killers, your objective is to kill every survivor, that’s true. But exploiting the game this way doesn’t make you good. It just makes you a tool and shows a complete lack of character. If you can’t win authentically within the rules, maybe go play something easier. Try Civ.
BVHR: I do not know what you have to do to make this stop, but you could try allocating a temporary video save file and code that allows us to directly send the log to support. Your system needs a team of manual reviewers because the amount of toxicity, exploiting and overall ToS violations that go unpunished is unacceptable.
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People are punished for this.
It is frustrating. Had someone rat me out using bond yesterday in a similar situation against a springtrap. Just got to report and hope they do it often enough to get banned.
Had 2 dead, they were on deathook and i only had been hooked once. I was getting gen work done and periodically sneaking away and avoiding springtrap when he door ported to me. Hoping for a few objective points and maybe a shot at hatch.
Springy kept leaving the other surv alone and eventually while I was hiding nearish to them I saw them come towards me and keep pointing at my hiding place for the killer. Thankfully although they still took advantage of it to kill me, the springtrap did at least punish them with a mori after.
As killer if someone ever rats out another survivor to me then the I'll give their target a pass and slap the rat on a hook.
Don't think the 4-hex build got him the two downs. Kind of sound irrelevant to the rest of the story.
Teaming is something you can report.
If someone rats someone out, I slap them down and give that person a free chance. But after that chance, tis free game on them
It is very relevant seeing as how it is the main reason why I couldnt solo any gen AND nonstop unhook players.
If you record it to bitter end yes they can be, but thats not something all do so in the end its words vs words.
Like it or not.
I dont if that guy just hides whole game and does nothing. People ratting out are bad but they arent worse as people who play lore accurate sole survivor by just hiding sll the time and doing nothing for the team. Its harder to spot but these people exist and make basicaly the other 3 survivors loose. As survivor I had some games in last two months where some just give up and hide when we were 3 alive and its terrible experience.
Can you prove that? Because it says you don't need to record for things like griefing, and I know for a fact they ban for it. It specifically says you must make an in-game report but you don't need to record. So for all we know they're backward recording those matches that get flagged.
I dont think they record matches if they did there would be some replay, how don you prove it then even from stats its not much proveable unless like same survivor or more of them doesnt unhook you in very short time window.
But even then its just words which can be very easily used and be abused for banning innocent people by just others disliking them.
Like you play with 3 man and do something they wont like so all report you for ratting out and how can you prevent ban (if the report is all they need for ban) without record of the match????
You cant thats why I think its bs because if it would work like you say then its very easy to abuse for banning innocent people.
There is nothing wrong with hiding. This game is quite literally built off hide n' seek/cat n' mouse. Stealth is just as viable as a tactic as gen rushing, pro flashlighting and looping. Stealth players pride themselves on stealth jukes, positioning, knowing killer movement and pathing, when to push a gen and when to leave, etc etc ETC. Why do you think perks like Urban Evasion, Quick n' Quiet, anti scratch mark perks, dark sense, ESP exist? You cannot blame a player for knowing how to utilize a specific playstyle so well that they never get seen, hit or hooked.
Yes, there are players who do nothing and rat in corner or locker jockey the whole match, but to say that is the majority of stealth players is not only untrue but further demonizes alternative styles of gameplay that can be just as successful as the others.
I should know, I am a stealth meg who runs UE + Sprint Burst + ESP and Open Handed.
Because DBD can see who you are and who is on your friends list and who you invited????? lmao.
Recording only reported matches for thier own internals wouldn't be something they need to show or tell anyone about. We've all suddenly gotten more messages about our reports having action taken. It's logical to assume that something in the system has changed.
And that changes something that much? What if he was ratting in reality this would in fact make it then unuseable as report.
Its still kinda stupid like some streamers can get banned by this just for fun.
Sorry but I dont believe they do until they clarify they do it, then its just speculation.
We have no info they record matches for their own use unless theres some public statement about it.
For the part of reports with actions are being taken Idk thats maybe subjective right now for you because I reported 3 people in past two months that I know were clearly cheating and got only 1 report of actions being taken.
This ingame report system only works against cheaters like killer bots that destroy survivors in loading screen or in 1 minute then against casual cheaters and even people I reported were speeding beyond,teleporting,flashy saving through walls or sabboing all hooks so I cant hook still didnt got attention only 1 of them which kinda makes this feeling of yours that it works better now (ingame report plus its feedback) very subjective.
Not to mention news about “actions being taken” can be obtsined like near month after actual report which I doubt is time they store some match record as you think.
this is a survivor mentality problem.
It’s definitely on those trolling survivors and they deserved to get banned, but trying assert blame on the Jason as well just reads as childish. All he’s doing is taking advantage of a favorable situation.
While it does make him a bit scummy, as long and he killed everyone by the end then what’s the harm? If he ended up letting the trollers go then yeah I fully agree he deserves some punishment as well.
I follow a similar policy. If a survivor is intentionally sandbagging, I’ll go for them first, but next time I see the sandbagged survivor its on sight, no special favors. While I empathize, I’m not about to start throwing just because 1-2 survivors wanna farm/gave up and are trying to troll.
They've said they don't record matches. However, they do have game stats for basically everything. So if they have a stat for survivor escaped killer grasp (especially with drops), that survivor was in chase with the killer but not hit, but a different survivor was hit and downed (especially if the 2nd survivor was close), and then the downed survivor files a report, well we're past a lot of burdens of doubt on this being collusion.
I have no idea how many of those stats they actually have, but it shouldn't be too hard to put together enough data that covers the vast majority of collusion reports (because this does seem to be one of the things they ban players over).
Of course, a video recording would probably make that a lot easier.
It wasn't because your teammates kept needing saving then?
Can we please keep post on topic? This isn't a thread about report system. Lets not derail, pretty please.
It doesn't matter who he killed and who he didn't. It is against the rules. Full stop. No if's ands or buts.
He also didn't kill the colluder, he let them get hatch for doing nothing all game but getting downed-hooked.
Also, it cost nothing to be a decent person in this game, especially if a Survivor is not being toxic and/or was being griefed.
One game isn't going to kill you to be decent.
Are you serious right now?
I couldn't do GENS because of his 4hex build.
I couldn't keep rescuing because they were throwing.
This means that despite my best effort to get a gen done, and heal, and unhook, and keep myself alive not a single gen could get done by me just as a SOLO because of the oppressive 4hex Jason build and my team.
This means that I was punished unfairly by other players lack of skill and the two colluders.
Please use the deeper part of your brain to analyze what is being said please.
If you’re having that big of a problem with hex Jason because it’s so popular use an overzealous/counterforce
I’ve been running lend a hand/inner strength/OZ/CF for the better part of 2 weeks and it’s been great, I even used to use it back in the day when thrill got buffed and it’s still the build is strong, highly recommend. You can also replace lend a hand with like calm spirit or hardened to counter face the darkness and scream users, doesn’t work on Jason though unfortunately.
and as a response to your comment to me, as I said, If he didn’t kill the teamer then he deserves punishment I don’t have a problem with that.
You can do gens through ruin only thing that makes you not to is when you and your teammates go down like flyes and thats when ruin hurts.
Full hex build is only held right now by thrill if they nerf it people sill drop them massively and go back to more stale pop,pain res etc. basicaly gen deffence which is what everybody likes.
Full hex build are problem if devour hope or blood favor are in them, they make chase basicaly super hardcore and kinda force you to cleanse but theres solution THE COUNTERFORCE if you have just run it it will help you delete hex builds even comp teams have one guy always running it mostly in recent year due to hex build being aviliable.
Idk what build he had you say hex but thats way to wide word thats like you meant ex and said woman. If it was like thrill,ruin,darkness from knight and penti or undying then even this has counter for undying killer must keep the cursed survivor injured so others scream but if he goes down or heals the hex deactivates and even if it works theres some chance some other survivor will scream instead of you. Gens can be powered through ruin easily you just need teammates that dont go down in few seconds so people dont leave gens they work on I have played with build I mentioned as legion on black banquete and still even with fast chases through poison I get aroun half of my matches rushed hard even with survivors not doing totems because ruin isnt so bad as blood favor or devour hope and can be played around or just run one of few perks that helps you to do totems faster, hex builds still have flaws.
Running through Ruin is doable if it was just Ruin in the mix and my team was present. But like I said multiple times, they werent. So Every time I had to go patrol area to get a safe heal/unhook, my gen progress would go back down to 0.
Also. Requiring a specific build to counter a specific strong Hex Build fine in itself, but that people committing to full Hex build outside certain Killers are not as common as those not.
As I stated, my build is UE + ESP + SB + Open Handed, which rewards stealth jukes, immersion, aura reading with some mobility.
There were four Hexes, Ruin and Penimento. I think one may have been Undying. Honestly cannot remember the fourth.
People are missing the broad point of what I am saying. This is not an arguement to specifically the perks are the reason. This post is entirely about team colluding. Not a debate about perks or the killer pick itself.
There ar eperks to counter hex builds like counterforce or for your mates the leader from dwight so you dont need to run whole build to get through full hex build you just need time plus one of these perks or two and thats not so bad investment for deleting killers whole perk setup.
You didnt still answered what was the hex build? I be there was ruin,thrill and maybe undying and last I can guess.
To your relief hex builds will be less good because thrill will get nerf from 12% per token to 10% which is 10% in total. They will still be probably good option for high mobility killers that can protect them or the ones that have some sort of slowdown with their power like pinhead but they arent busted. Trust me if your teammates or you dont fall like flies you can rush gens through ruin if its just ruin backed by other perks, if theres knights hex then its harder but still doeable because for it to work killer must injure someone and leave him so totem is working. If theres some other very strong hex like devour or blood favor you have to go for totems thats why equiping one or two perks isnt that bad like counterforce alone just deletes these builds all you need is to get one totem with what 20% fater cleansing speed and then you get another bonus for cleansing and info for another totem and if you get second then its just bye bye for the killers totems wven with thrill.
I debate with you around totemsIdk whats your main plot rats will exist and devs like them plus I dont believe there is any good way to tell it was them from stats the devs have and conspirations form people like cogsturning that devs record all games are wild it wouldnt be possible or we would have clear info from them about it or news like " report system will be added".
So saing he is cheating in ingame report where they can look at stats and check if something happened like speed of that survivor went to insane number without any perk or heal in few seconds this they can chesk if they want I believe but someone leading killer and ratting out will be way harder and banning people just because someone filled ingame report is wild because thats very easy to abuse the trust isnt there like one time people just said she is witch and we all know what happened to that person few hundred years ago so thinking it works just like that (reports for teamming with killer withoutm backing record or pics) is wild.
When the thread is about punishing players for working with killer of course the report system will be involved.
Seems fair, long as the rat gets punished.
My friend I did answer it.
>There were four Hexes, Ruin and Penimento. I think one may have been Undying. Honestly cannot remember the fourth.
You put a lot of words to your post but after you stop talking about hexes, the rest is incredbly incoherent and reads like a schitzophrenic ramble. I can barely make any sense of 98% of what you are saying afterward.
Yes, but it was starting to derail and take prescedent over the actual topic.
In the end, I submitted a report in game and then one with full details about their accounts with verifable proof, so I hope they get punished.
With any luck they will do, provided they do it often enough.
Sorry but your post looks like it has no one particular point just few points/topics scramblet in it like hex builds are op and suck to go against, main plot the people ratting others to the killer, killers being bad and not giving you free escape and taking free downs/kills.
Its full of this and main parts are your dislike of hex build (you realy dont know if thrill was there? thats main hex that makes these build possible buddy) and build you described is the one where wehn you dont go down super fast and you stick to gens you can rush it and deal with it without doing any hex totem.