Ruin
Make it into a permenant perk instead of a hex totem, it dosen't slow the game down that much, it still has counterplay without a totem. With a totem someone spawns on it or finds it in under a minute because all totem spawns are predetermined on maps instead of being completely random. Its the only thing killers have to slow down the game especially on large maps, and its still not that good.
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No, it should not be a non hex perk. Ruin is actually pretty strong when used by a killer who can pressure survivors effectively.
The devs just need to overhaul the entire totem system, and make totem locations much more hidden and random. Hopefully, even the veteran survivor mains wouldn't be able to find them straight away.
I think the better solution would be if there was some kind of a mini game that allowed killers to make remaining dull totems into hex totems if they accomplish something time intensive.
Or just let killers place the hex where ever they want.
I think if anything, the game should allow killers to choose their ruin 'spawn' location. Set it wherever they wanted to (anywhere reachable of course) sort of how the trapper's traps work.
The perk is good, but not when the survivor spawns right next to it, makes me cringe.
How about we make old DS baseline, I mean it has counterplay. And since Survivor Perks are weaker than Killer perks, let's also ensure Adrenaline is also baseline and not a perk. If we do that I'm okay with Hex Ruin being permanent.
I just wish most hex totems had lingering effects after they were cleansed, even if temporarily. Like cleansing Ruin would still cause it to last around 60s afterward. Stuff like that.
SURVIVOR PERKS WEAKER THAN KILLER PERKS? Hahahahahahaha
Joke, right?
I wouldn’t mind it, I really hate it when my mates look for the totem all game.
@Mister_Holdout totems can't have both more "hidden" and more "random" spawns , if the totems are forced to spawn more "hidden" that is inherently less random
people who play a long time are going to start noticing and remembering the "hidden" locations which means they will check those places first
totems spawning with more randomness means sometimes they just spawn completely in the open, maybe in a way that blocks movement, maybe even spawn in blocking a side to a generator
someone already mentioned a lingering effect , that sounds good but i would prefer a minimum time of effect so like ruin effect will last at least 3 minutes (or whatever reasonable time they come up with) so if it is broken before that time is up the effect stays until the time is up and if it is broken after that time it will just be gone
Yeah it gets sometimes destroyed to quick. But giving killers a 5th perk slot for free isn't the solution. Instead, ruin should kinda work like one of the plagues with the gens blocking them. Ruin should be blocked from the Entity for X minutes till it can get cleansed.
Some say high rank killers are still waiting for a full lobby til this day...
I was on my way from one side of the map to the other, to trap the hex and then I saw this...
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There is counterplay. It's a Hex that can be broken.
@DudeDelicious a crutch perk is a perk that rewards failure, I don’t see ruin doing that.
I agree, we should ruin the game for new players who have no idea why gens aren't progressing.
weren't totem spawn locations supposedly tweaked so that survivors couldn't simply spawn in front of them? the amount of times i've spawned effectively looking at a lit totem at the beginning of the game, or my totem is gone before 30 seconds have passed, is absurd
keep them away from generators, keep them out of open fields on asylum/coldwind maps, and hex perks won't be such coin flips, either impacting a game heavily or being cleansed so quickly they may as well not have been equipped to begin with
right now i think corrupt intervention is a much better perk for killers who need setup time like trapper and hag, and for slower killers like huntress who lack the ability to pressure larger maps effectively
Whats about Killer using Hex ruin or whatever Hex perk, that their Hex doesnt work right away until they decide to make 1 of 5 totems become a Hex perk? And certainly Killer able to see aura of all dull totems until they already set up all Hex perk. This way will lead to:
Ruin is a must on most killers with no map pressure. You speak as if all killers are as good as the top tier, which they sure as hell not. You can have all the strategy in the world but if survivors gen rush, there's not much you can do to slow down the game. Unless you have some awesome strategy that no one has come up with...
Better solution: tweak the gameplay so Ruin doesn't feel necessary on every killer outside of Nurse/Billy/Spirit at high rank. There has to be some margin for error for killers at the start of games that doesn't involve relying on a totem spawn point. Simply walking to the wrong side of the map at the start can cost you two gens.
this is the last post of yours I'm clicking on. nothing but unreasonable suggestions from u that don't take balance into consideration
This. Honestly at this point, I just walk at my ruin at the start of the game and find 2-3 survivors
This would only be yet another band-aid fix over a greater issue. If games are going by too quick due to gens being done too fast, then it's an issue with the core gameplay, not something that should be fixed with perks. And in the end, veteran players wouldn't have much trouble with it, while new players would get stomped by it. I don't think this is the best way to address the issue.
This would be a fine argument if survivors didn't have ways to negate multiple hits in a chase
@edgarpoop That'd require maps to be reworked so chases will be shorter for killers plus buffing most killers overall so their map pressure increases.
thats a bait
Maps need updates not necessary a full rework some loops take forever (crotus prenn , ironworks of misery , haddonfield , springwood , wretched shop). On some maps gens are so scattered and low-mid tier have no maps pressure because of it (clown , trapper , wraith , myers , huntress , plague etc...) those maps are (rotten fields mostly but most coldwind farm too , crotus prenn , temple of purgation , mother's dwelling).
Ruin is required to all killers that do not have movement speed based power. exception is made for legion with thanatophobia/sloppy combo. downside to ruin he marks the spawn location of survivors.
Buffing Ruin sounds like yet another band aid for bad map design.
Well if you want to consistently lose with less mobile killers then I guess not. You can have all the SKILLS in the world but that means nothing when the core issue is balancing and design flaws. I can have all the skills with killers without high mobility but if a team is set on genrushing, you're already handicapped and that's putting it mildly. Games with it and without it are night and day.