When survivors encourage killer tunneling
Braced for the downvotes but here we go. Try reading the full post before you knee jerk react.
Don't get me wrong, I don't like hard tunneling some killers just use it as the fallback or baseline playstyle, and they suck. Lots of killers tunnel because it's expedient, it's an excellent crutch for new/bad killer players and for mid/low skill survs it's basically a guarenteed loss and really sucks to play against. Tunneling someone out at 4-5 gens is proper maidenless behaviour. But mid-late game a tactical tunnel is often necessary.
Thing is, if you have a survivor team with 2 good chase runners who can out skill the killer, won't give an inch and 2 weak chase runner who the killer can down. What is going to happen? Prizes for the correct answer.
When I play killer, if I identify a survivor who can string a chase out and chain pallets, vaults, loop efficiently, 360 effectively etc then I won't commit to a straight up chase with them because it'll lose me gens. Double that if they're obviously trying to encourage chase, beckoning, clicking etc. I don't consider myself a particularly sweaty killer (I will often let 1 or 2 survs go per match) but I'm not going to double down on chases that will lose me the game. I'll wait until either they misplay for a save or unhook, or when I'm at a point where I have control of the game and can chase and down them at my leisure.
My Point is if you can outskill the killer and you stick the figurative boot in by never letting them hit you, then you're encouraging that killer to go after weaker members of the team. At which point you either rush gens as hard as possible and sacrifice a team mate to get out. Or you over commit to trying to wind up the killer and give them free pressure by not doing gens, throwing the game.
Sometimes to need to encourage the killer to go after you, not by antagonising them but by making them think they can get you. Walk around injured as an enticing target, make deliberate misplays to feign that you're bad at chase, even (shock horror) just full on deliberately take a hook.
Special mention for those particular individuals who deliberately take an endurance protection hit when you've just been unhooked then complain when you get tunneled straight away. Honestly what did you expect?
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Not to mention that in comp play, certain perks are banned as well.
Everytime SWF gets brought up its the most boring conversation ever.
Potential =/= reality.
SWF >potentially< being the strongest in an environment where a fraction of a fraction plays means nothing if the vast majority of players will never hit this level.
Additionally, someone has to be the strongest. And these arguments always fail to describe why its bad that swf is the strongest. It's not some grand revelation to state that four brains > one.
What I love is when a survivor obviously has Decisive Strike and they go out of their way to get "value" from the perk. I eat it, then hard tunnel them out. It's intended to be a defense against the killer tunneling you, but if the killer is not tunneling you and instead you are trying to "force" value… well, you're literally asking to be tunneled at that point, so I will oblige.
"what does that have to do with anything"- these are the best of each roles somewhat balanced to allow for the games to actually go fourth. Both sides are nerfed so that the games are interesting to watch, some would argue one side more than others, but most well known tournaments (European pro league, Lawless trial and the invitationals) Are run with the best of the best past qualifiers.
"even if we were to take it into account, how often does it happen?more than 50%? what do hook states look like?"- how often do you go against top tier killers? If we're talking about the probability of these events occuring we shouldn't even be talking about top tier nurse/hillbilly since you'll see them once every blue moon. But we are, we are talking about the best of the best, and so we must talk tournaments since thats the best example of top tier killer vs top tier survivor.
Now then, the other question you asked there that actually had any merit, what do hook states/stats look like. You know what, ill compile the dbd league 2026 results for you so you can see what happens in each, hook states and all. If i go to the effort to do that, and it shows exactly what i was saying, would you then, finally, accept that the best killers lose to the best survivors?
No, because it has nothing to do with the conversation. If we have a 1k killstreak Blight on video, if we have stats that show that Survivors by design lose more often than not, why would anyone have any reason to go "yeah, well Survivors do pretty well in an incredibly restrictive closed competition"?
The stats take the average survivor vs the average killer, not the best of both.
If your point is on average killer is stronger than all types of survivor, sure I'd agree considering 60% of the playerbase is soloqueue, and comp swf is like 1-10% at best.
But thats not what you were responding to, and is an entirely seperate conversation. You've derailed it from "best survivors vs best killers" to the average, and have made our past 3/4 comments useless because you couldn't comprehend basic english.
And if, i hope your not but it sounds like it, your trying to say "stats say survivors lose more often by stats so survivor is weaker", stats also say nurse is weak so i guess she needs a tonne of buffs. Oh wait no, because one stat taken in a vacuum doesn't help us come to any reasonable decisions.
TLDR: The conversations you responded to, and I reiterated repeatedly, were talking about the best in each roles, not the average, and you have failed to contribute anything to that matter and only now are pivoting to an entirely different and not widely debated topic to make it seem like your comments were worthwhile. Either you didn't read anything said and were responding on autopilot, because your poor feelings were hurt, or you've shifted the goalpost from the original conversation to one nobody was talking about. Almost everyone says soloqueue is weaker than killer, and that takes up 54%-58% according to their most recent stats, so this will largely shift the stats. However, that does not mean the strongest survivors are weaker than the strongest killer.
Oh brother. And here I thought I was saving you time by not compiling things and you insult me. 😵
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I'm merely pointing out you have contributed nothing to the discussion you have repeatedly replied to, and repeatedly point out things that have nothing to do with the conversation, which the nicest interpretation of that is that you cannot understand what I'm saying rather than you being intentionally obtuse and derailing the point for your own gain. This is the most generous interpretation of what your doing, if you'd rather me label you as being a bad faith actor, disingenuous or a troll I can do that, but I took it as a misunderstanding that you have failed to understand the point of the conversation multiple times despite my repeated shift back to it.