Thrill of the Hunt isn't OP
Survivors still cleanse my totems ridiculously fast, and running a full Hex build doesn't impede their progress on Generators either. I don't know why people are saying it's busted, I have even been playing The Blight and still struggle against Survivors. I just don't think Hex builds are ever going to be as strong as Generator Regression and Prevention builds like Scourge Hook: Pain Resonance, Dead Man's Switch, Grim Embrace, Corrupt Intervention. And when they cleanse all my Hexes, it's like I am not even running a build. Even if Thrill of the Hunt is OP, I would figure Survivors would start running Counterforce to cleanse and locate Totems faster. What I am saying is, Hex: Thrill of the Hunt and Hex builds are still neither an easy nor guaranteed win, and should not be nerfed because the reason I lose games is because I clearly suck at the game. Therefore, even if Thrill of the Hunt gets nerfed, nothing is stopping a really good Killer from securing kills with 4 Slowdown perks. For those who say otherwise, what builds have y'all been using for Hex: Thrill of the Hunt? I have been using Blood Favor, Crowd Control, and either Undying or Ruin.
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Nice to see others finally enjoy my thrill+face the Darkness combo that I've been running for 2 years
I find it surprising that thrills numbers changed at all tbh it seemed a tad unnecessary even by my evil Pinhead standards
But you can lose the hexs, albeit very difficult but it is possible. If anything it's an issue with face the darkness or totem cleansing mechanics. But thrill perk buff is great and pretty balanced imo especially as totems don't prevent gens from being completed. It's about balancing time better, work out if it's worth spending time to deal with hex or just concentrate on gens. This will differ on the situation, killer, map ect.
Is this the new thing survivors are complaining about? Really? Hexes?????
The change to a single perk, with no testing on the ptb, or even mention in patch notes, until it was going live is being complained about yes.
Especially since that one change results in cleansing totems taking 46.666 seconds now instead of 14 without that one perk.
It's over the top, broken, and feels like it was an afterthought. And the devs have said nothing on the issue either, so it feels kind of like a big middle finger to survivors with the new meta that everyone seems to understand why it exists, yet the forums is just incessantly gaslighting into thinking that complaining about it is somehow not justified. Like your post, for example.
Ruin only regressed the gen at 1/4 the rate of repair speeds? Good. Could you imagine if killers could regress gens faster than survivors could repair them?
the philosophy of killer getting value out of perks → imbalanced suggests that a hex that is not an empty perk slot is unfair. this can be applied to all perks but for the purposes of this thread, we will stay on topic within hexes.
Hex:ruin is weak enough that the perk could be a basic mechanic where the totem is unclensable and experienced teams would still be able to escape. i have played games as killer where the totem stayed up the entire game and I still lost because the team focused gen and optimized the chase well enough to complete them. As for devour hope, i don't have much experience as killer where my devour hope stayed up and i lose but when playing survivor, there have many games in my experience that my soloq survivor team is efficient enough at generators to finish all 5 gens before devour hope triggers. if it does trigger, it is often in the end game. I know this sounds impossible or the classic "Killer played bad so you won" statement but i have fairely high consistency in being able to pull this off in soloq. Sure it is riskier
survivor don't need focus totems to defeat totems. It is not like these totems are impossible to cleanse either, just that they are not a given to cleanse every match like they typically are. you focus gens before totems when killer commits to totem defending and you can pressure to killer move away from chasing by baiting totem cleansing while doing gens in the background.
Like the comparison is when survivors finish 80% gen and killer begins hovering and camping around that gen. if you have 1 survivor pressure the completion of that gen, other survivor can go to other gens and soft-complete progression on other gens because the killer isn't applying kill pressure and is choosing to camp the gen. the logic can be applied to totems.
With all due respect, if you don't understand why it is completely broken then you really don't understand DBD. Otz showed just how broken it really is in his most recent video, it should be kill-switched until it has been fixed as it is completely game breaking with the right killer and perk combo and it isn't exactly rocket science to create a completely unwinnable scenario for survivors.
I'm 80% killer player and I say this perk is busted and needs to be nerfed.
A change like this should not have been pushed live without any testing beforehand.
A majority of players in dbd enjoy to win as fast as possible with as little effort as possible. Of course they defend something that enables them to do exactly that.
Broken or busted toys have been around since this game came out. There are always people that WILL defend something completely overtuned.
Eruption, dh, coh, thrill... the list goes on...
Thrill of the Hunt is broken on specific killers. For most killers, it's fine.
I really don't understand why BHVR seems to have a recent obsession of buffing every perk imaginable to make them meta. The reality is (in my opinion) with so many perks, some simply have to be little more than meme perks with only niche value at best.
We have all seen how different metas have become a nightmare for the game and changes have had to be made for the health of the game. So making 100+ perks meta in their own right is a recipe for a multi meta nightmare.
i suspect that the perk was tested internally extensively but was not put on PTB because controversial strength that it has. If this was put on PTB, everyone would red flag saying the perk is too strong and needs to be immediately reverted before ever reaching live servers. I like the perk because it encourages killer to use d Expose perks(Devour hope) to win over standard game-delay perks you are all accustomed by now. there is some game-delay component to totems but that is somewhat inevitable when talking about totems.
There is a vast gulf between 'Hexes should start the game cleansed' and 'Hexes should be completely impossible to cleanse'.
The backlash you describe would have been absolutely justified.
Devour hope is not supposed to be up indefinitely. A good amount of killers and perks can make it almost impossible to cleanse the perk. If stacked in a complete hex build, it becomes way too overtuned.
People here are not complaining about thrill + devour.
They are complaining about:
Even with old thrill a build like this offered a very good amount of game delay because devour can't be ignored by any means just like pentimento.
Its too much with new thrill.
I like variety in builds and I very much like hex builds. My second favourite killer perk in dbd is huntress lullaby. This is not how these builds should be buffed.
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To be fair, highlighting a problem doesn't necessarily require a solution to be provided. There have been suggestions and topics for years on how to make hex perks more effective/less spawn RNG reliant, including but not limited to: -
I think it's fair to say buffing cleanse time is probably the least interesting of all of these.
The issue I see with it is, even if we take the stance TotH makes hexes balanced (which it doesn't when you see all the horrible builds that are popping up on various killers such as Singularity, but we'll assume it does), that would make it the case that Thrill of Hunt makes totems viable by pushing cleanse times to over 3 times their base cleanse speed.
This makes the perk mandatory for hexes to be viable, and without hexes are still not viable…. which is still ass from a design perspective.
why? the killer commits to a particular perk archetype and expects to get decent rewards from the archetype. Radianthero and Firellius are telling me that when you commit to this archetype, your should still have poor reward where survivor is entirely in control for your perks being relevant.
I just find it baffling. In most other games, the entire community will start to complain unanimously if something is blatantly unbalanced, but because dbd promotes an "us vs them" mentality, there are players that genuinely try to defend obviously broken stuff simply because it benefits their preferred side. It's insane.
Hexes are perks with powerful effects that can be removed. That is the high risk / high rewards aspect they are designed around.
Current Thrill eliminates the risk, because you either can't cleanse the totems or you are forced to spent an unreasonably long amount of time doing so. It isn't balanced.
That's not what I've been saying at all! I've only said that the current situation is not okay. I've never been opposed to hexes getting buffed in a normal, fair way. Making a busted hex-defense perk that can make it physically impossible to cleanse hexes without Counterforce is just not it, also because, as mentioned, it makes that defense perk mandatory.
I actually did make suggestions about buffing hex perks a long time ago. You need to be more mindful of what I'm actually saying, because you're projecting a strawman onto me.
You almost never do that either.
How can you buff hexes?
These are just a few ideas.
the dev did something similar to what i wanted for hex builds. in my opinion, removing hexes is too easy and too time efficient for survivor. what i suggested was adding an extra life for undying to re-kindle itself. they buffed thrill of the hunt instead which resulted in survivors being less time efficient in for removing hexes.
Pls dont put words in my mouth without tagging me. Thx.
Asks for ideas. Continues to ignore them.
I am responding to your first comment.
"You almost never do that either."
1.) I dislike, that devour can do absolutely nothing when it gets found before it reaches 3 stacks. The mori feels outdated at this point and is literally just overkill. Tone down the overkill mori and make it more consistent. Nothing wrong with that in my book.
2.) Hexes are supposed to be high risk high reward. Perks like devour showcase that. They are supposed to be fragile. A lot of the hexes have the high risk but low reward. Therefore increase the reward to warrant the risk.
3.) More totem spawn locations means more time survivors have top run around looking for themn because the spot are not that obvious. Some spawns are downright laughable. Swamp spawns are either in plain sight or on the edges of the map.
4.) I want a basekit version. Using a specific perk to make it not gone before I can physically be there is not good design. Survivors can spot the totem and memorize the location but I want killers to have a fighting chance to defend it at least at the start of the match.
5.) Ruin is a hex. Can we stay at discussing them and not base regression?
Calm Spirit?
If TotH reduces your interaction speed by 70% and Calm Spirit increases that penalty by 30%, do you actually get -100% interaction speed, thus rendering the interaction impossible?
How a game plays out when the killer runs Ruin Devour TOTH + FTD/Undying. People hop on a few gens → see killer is 99% using the new cheese build → get off gens because devour will end the game instantly → ruin regresses all gens → spend minutes of gen time cleansing → killer has 6-8 hooks by the time you cleanse or they get devour and you insta lose.
VERY WRONG it might be niche on some of the killers but if you have any type of mobility/quick chases ruin is insanely strong
no. it is multiplicative of the 70%. it is like 79%-79.5% decrease to cleansing speed.
Oh, okay, so it merely increases the cleanse time to 66.7 seconds.
Would've been an absolute BHVR moment if it did stack additively though.
I ain't reading all these comments, but I will say this. Hex: Thrill of the Hunt should be nerfed, simply because it is genuinely impossible against The Singularity. Kind of like why aura reading perks have to be balanced around The Nurse. Still, kind of bummed that Hex: Thrill of the Hunt can't be strong. Like it's finally worth running but the only time it's worth running is when it is busted. A shame really.
The only Hex you need to worry about is Devour Hope, the rest can be perfectly ignored. And without a decent antigen, the game will most likely end before Devour Hope even gets the necessary tokens. This build is only working for the same reason that Pentimento works, people waste time pointlesly cleansing totems.
Instead of nerfing Hex: Thrill of the Hunt, what if Counterforce was buffed instead?