My TrioQ games from this evening (the 4th could not play)
As i have stated that i was escaping a ton and many players did not believe me, here are my trials this evening.
Will update cause i will play some more.
And yes, killers rage qui a lot.
Comments
About as bad faith as you assuming how I play killer.
"For a perk to be OP it needs to transform a bad player into a great player?"
Uh, yeah? That's what gamebreaking means. If bad/mediocre players can't use it well, that means 80-90% of the playerbase will never have a problem with the perk unless they're scapegoating it due to bad play. I sincerely doubt you are playing in the MMR where survivors are using MFT to the best they can, if you are, feel free to post footage of your killer games. Though even then you still shouldn't be struggling because I see high-mmr killers doing fine in their lobbies still.
You'd have a better case for arguing that DH was OP because it was all people ran before it got nerfed solo or otherwise, and even then you'd still be wrong because its nerf didn't even change the functionality of DH'ing, only the frequency.
I've ran killers for 4 gens using No Mither and Resilience, does that mean those perks are OP too since I got a permanent vault speed boost from the jump? Obviously not, it just means my opponent didn't play very well and I played very well. If a perk is only strong when someone is good then it's a healthy perk.
And before you compare MFT to Nurse/Blight, let's be real and say that MFT does not break the game's rules like Nurse does, nor is it as oppressive as a good Blight with the best loadout.
I am far from a bad player lol, I said I was a low-mmr killer to prove a point that in low-mmr the perk doesn't warp my games, and in high-mmr, the perk doesn't warp the games there either. So again, if you're getting dogwalked as killer in the current game's climate, which you seem to be based on all the complaining, you are just not a good killer player, which is okay, just own up to it, I'm not good at killer either!
Nobody knows how many games you're winning because you're just typing anecdotal evidence that you expect us to take at face value, in truth, nothing you say has much credence unless you post objective footage because its easy to be hyperbolic and lie to support a narrative.
But hey, if all it takes is posting screenshots to be an authoritative figure on game balance then:
Killer is OP he still got 11k points despite going against a stacked SWF that ended the game pretty fast.
My post commented on the very first images.
Gamebreaking does not mean that a bad player is tranformed into a good player.
Game breaking means when a perk used by a good player extends the chase so much that the game is lost even before it started.
That is what MFT does, it extends the chase way too much.
MFT breaks the game's rule exactly as the Nurse does.
Your knowledge of the game is terrible my friend.
All tiles, all jungle gym, all loops and distance between loops, everything is designed and sized for 100% survivor speed. 103% completely breaks this design.
If you have a bolt of 15 and i give you a wrench of 14 or 16, it won't work, it is exactly the same with MFT. You do not see it, FINE, but do not come here and tell experienced players that they are wrong. MFT make some loops infinite with M1 killer and you are saying it is fair.
And about your last point, the screenshot and the "killer is op as it got 11k points"; how old are you actually ? 14 ?
I go out most of my games, in SWFs and soloQ and easily, i do not even sweat, it proves a lot, good players just escape a ton. Those players exist, it is not because you cannot achieve it that the game is balanced.
Enough talk with you.
Gotta ask - Where's your footage?
I'm interested in seeing it!
Me the liar - Samstags DBD was sonst! <3 - Twitch
Game starts at 04:51:00, i'm the Cheryl, being chased twice, enjoy, dunno what this tier B killer an do against this team :)
All gens, 4 minutes 😎
Edit : that guy is not the best Demo in the world, he has 1000h on DbD but still that is jsut an exemple, the MM put this guy against me and the others, his experience cannot be goodat all with those parameters. And well MFT + Resilience ftw
I record most of my games, what do you want to see?
A link to your Twitch or w/e would probably be easier.
I just really like watching the gameplay of people who are constantly asking for gameplay - I'm not being facetious.
I do not have twitch... and i do not record my games, i could have however but i do not even have OBS installed, i dunno why i would lie about my results, it would be weird honestly.
Edit : however i will give you an advice, check what
choke pointscheckspots in DbD are (jungle gym/shack mostly), understand the concept and apply it to any building, any tiles. Use MFT + Resilience .Once you have understand how the choke points are working, all your chase will be extremely ez, unless against the Nurse or Blight of course.
ADVANCED CHECKSPOTS GUIDE #1 - YouTube
BEGINNER CHECKSPOTS GUIDE #2: SHACK - YouTube
BEGINNER CHECKSPOTS GUIDE #1: TL WALLS - YouTube
With those videos, you will understand why it is impossible to win as killer against a good team.
Oh, I'm not asking you for anything, to clarify.
Asking the other person.
Nobody asks you to record 500 games.... but record AT LEAST a few to prove this is not bs. Right now this thread is just bait. 0 evidence of anything you claimed but random screenshots. And what are you claiming even? Seems like you still lost a bunch of matches.
Why can't you install OBS and record it? This is your thread. Seems like a lot of people here are interested to see your escapes.
Me personally, I'd love to see your solo streaks. I hope you're motivated. Funny coincidence, AlbyAround started a soloQ streak series this week, with Sole Survivor etc. The games were so bad, not only he kept losing the streak at 2-3, but the last game made him so angry that he decided to cancel the series entirely (it featured 2 teammates DC'ing at 5 gens and the last one cooperating with the killer). He also deleted some of the VODs because it was "unfun and unwatchable". The rest of the night he was talking about TCM...
I don't stream, my vods are from Shadowplay. I will upload some games with edited audio to youtube since I was already planning on doing so for some friends anyways.
If you're able to find reasons to talk down my perkless Trapper, no Gen slowdown/tunnel against 4 players swf and still 4K. People would be able to say the exact same reasons to your screenshots why you escaped.
Average DBD killer.
Squadettes, haha
Of course you did not camp the save at all when all of them end up with 10k points right ? 😘
If you're barely winning 50% of your games, you aren't high MMR, it's mathematically impossible.
Likewise, high MMR lobbies don't exist in any real form. Saying, "I'm high MMR" means nothing. It has no bearing on the skill of your opponent.
Sorry for the delay, got busy today.
Here you go, three full VODs. I should note that none of the footage is particularly impressive so feel free to roast me if you want. I still maintain that showing footage adds weight to one's words more than screenshots do, especially since it shows match context.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgUK2Z-TVJs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R7GTXsHPJQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brhCkhJz6HgTo everyone saying saying that they won because of matchmaking or because they ran some meta perks and the killer didn’t… yes, that’s how this game works.
You can win most of your games on BOTH sides because matchmaking is so awful it will pair you up with players outside of your skill rating or pairing you with people running meme perks while you run full meta.
I’m not saying that I think this game is survivor or killer sided, I think it’s pretty balanced currently, but yes the games that this person posted are indeed possible and are very common. This doesn’t show that they are low MMR even if the killer might be because matchmaking is broken.
I’ve gone on 30 game win streaks as killer and still get paired with new players. I’m not the best survivor but I still escape most games and still get paired with killers with less than 200 hours.
These screenshots don’t show anything about the state of game balance, but saying “you only won because matchmaking sucks” is meaningless because a large portion of your games are going to be similar to this.
If you don’t run meta, you can’t really complain if you lose to someone running meta. Yes you can still win most games without meta perks because matchmaking and the average player are awful, but if you play with someone at your skill level or higher that is running meta, don’t be surprised when you lose.
If you actually think you are going against meta SWFs or god tier killer players every game, then I’m sorry but you probably aren’t as good at this game as you think you are.
TL;DR - yes they may have won because of bad matchmaking, but that’s also why everyone else who finds this game easy is winning so much. If matchmaking worked correctly then people would see that this game is probably pretty balanced right now.
Updooted.
I'll take a look, today!
Good Luck in your matches @_@
Nothing Omega Wild / Meta, but you played decently and seemed to have fun - the music is definitely a good touch.
Solo Queue is fun for those moments you can dip without feeling bad for the people left behind to die ;3
Guys, as screenshots mean nothing for you all and as many called me a liar, i have recorded (streamed actually) all my trials of the end of this afternoon and evening.
This morning i have played 4 trials, escaped all 4 of them.
High skill - no talking - soloQ :( - Twitch
High skill - no talking - soloQ :( - Twitch
1st is soloQ only.
2nd is some soloQ and then duoQ.
Nothing fancy, there are some good chases, some trials without any chase at all or pretty much. This is the high MMR experience.
I know you will say those killers are terrible but they all play META, for those i could see the playtime they all had between 1500h and 3000h.
Same for the survivors i was matched with.
Whatever, enjoy :)
Appreciate the effort, we're getting somewhere.
But there are still massive holes in your VODs, so we don't know what happened in between / if you deleted some games. How do we know you didn't just discard the games where you lost?
I'll be honest I highly doubt you can get 50% escape rate with the way you're playing, and I still suspect something fishy. 4 wins in a row would already be nice, but lucky streaks happen. Next time tell us in the thread when you start to stream, so we can check afterwards that you didn't delete VODs (or PM me then I'll confirm in the thread that you didn't cheat). Ideally record like ~10 games in a row, if that's not unreasonable.
Trollin’ Trollin’ Trollin’ 🎼
1. Here is a screenshot of my stream record for yesterday, nothing has been deleted in-between the two streams, i was just eating. It is 8 games in a row, 8 escapes, 100% escape rate. You can add 2 unexisting games if you want and think i would have lost them, anyway it would still be a 80% escape rate. The 3 extra minutes were testing OBS to see how it goes.
2. For the last 20 games i have played, i have died 3 or 4 times, it is a 75/80% escape rate. Believe it or not, that's my result in soloQ. Also, i have a life and i do not play 10 to 15 games in a row without pause even when playing with my SWFs, believe or not once again, some ppl have a life outside of DbD 😘
3. "the way i play" as you say is the most effective way to play the game at high MMR. To win at that level, there is no place for the shiny fancy greedy looping where you blind the killer at every pallets and when you greed the hell out of a loop for entertainment, taking the risk to get hit. I play safely, a mix of stealth/strong safe loop/hold W gameplay and i sit on the good gens (solo-gening + preventing 3 gens situations).
4. Looping a Spirit for 1 minute while injured and without using a single pallet
Looping a Wesker for 1m30 while being injured at the end of the trial (less pallets left)
Looping a Nemesis for 1 minute while being injured at the end of the trial (less pallets left)
Do gens when not in chase
Perfectly use checkspots everywhere on the map
Perfectly time the stealth gameplay
Know when to drop or save pallets
Perfectly know all timing to the point i know if i can reach a loop and when i can change the loop i'm in
Many great mindgames and good decision making in the games i have played
--> Random survivor player from the forum that barely escape in soloQ : "the way you play is terrible, you are a liar"
5. if you think the way i play is bad, you should re-think how effective is the way you play the game cause if your escape rate is under 50% in soloQ, the problem is on your side and you clearly have skill/mindgame/poor decision making issues. In the chases listed above, the reality is that you would have fallen in 20 seconds as 90% of the playerbase
6. the survivor player that posted his videos above me play exactly as i play, using checkspots extensively. He is more greedy cause he wants to do cool videos on Youtube but off-recording, if he plays for the win, i'm pretty sure he is less greedy.
7. you are now checking on youtube what a checkspot is cause you have no idea of what it is
It is insane that after all the content i have provided you still believe i'm lying. This shows 3 things about yourself :
- you are immature thinking a 35 years old guy has nothing better to do than lying about a video game
- you might be the kind of person that lies a lot, that is why you think everyone else would behave like you
- you are delusional regarding your real skill level and you believe that you are way stronger than what you actually are
I have proved enough here, you are an entilted player, refusing to accept the plain truth, you are not as good as you think and some ppl are way better. If you are loosing most of your games in soloQ, you can blame your teammates or the matchmaking, you are obviously the weak link cause if you were better, you would carry the game, at least by taking chases.
this is exactly what I was talking about, you provided them with a photo, they said that the photo is not proof they need a video, you made a video they say that the video is not proof
People on this forum need to realise, the game does not distinguish between solo and swf, there is only one survivor queue.
As long as the devs do nothing about this, it doesn’t matter if results of a swf or a solo get posted. Sad but true.
I totaly belive that you get a high escape rate with a 3+swf against a lot of killers.
But that doesnt mean the conclusion you draw from that is right.
If you escape that much with swf, and we have an average kill rate over 60%, that only shows how little solo survivors escape in comparison with swf.
And did anyone ever argue that swf is the most broken thing in the game? I doubt it.
But still, the game is balanced in favor of the killer when going against solo players. SWF can just compensate that easily because of the enhanced information flow and coordination.
Also, bringing balance decisions from symetrical teamgames as an argument to not balance around solo in an asymetrical game is kind of strange, since they are not comparable.
Also, i played a few killer games this moring, and all of them were 4ks. Does that prove anything? Of course not, the numbers are way too small. And so are yours.
the average killer rate of 60% was a year ago when the killers had cob overch and eroption
a year has passed, the killers lost a lot of toys and the survivors got a new hud
you can't use statistics from a year ago, especially when there have been so many changes
We've told you multiple times that screenshots prove nothing.
Anyway, regarding your claim that "This is high MMR gameplay", let's examine how your killers play.
The spirit that you "looped for 1 minute", apparently doesn't know how to pick a survivor at a window:
https://clips.twitch.tv/FuriousCrepuscularQueleaPartyTime-bUibu3MHe1o6B-GEWhile we're at it, let's also look at the hook stages in this clip.
We're at 2 gens, and that spirit has exactly 4 hooks on 4 different survivors.
I think anybody who plays soloQ can tell you, killers like this are rare. Definitely not the majority of your games. That Spirit is not trying to win, she's trying to be the nicest killer in DBD.
And yet, almost every single of your killers played like this. Out of 8 games, 7 featured no tunneling at all, with killers unexplainably dropping chases and handicapping themselves to hook every single survivor, not killing anyone before 5-8 hooks.
Game 7 was the only one that featured any sort of tunneling and that wasn't hardcore tunneling at 5 gens.
None of the games featured camping.
I don't know if your streak is legit or not, but regardless, this was extremely lucky matchmaking, and you know it very well, that's why you're so defensive about recording it again. You won't be able to sustain games like this on an extended period of time.
10 games in a row would be like 2-3 hours of streaming, that's too much to ask? For someone who says that "you have a life outside of DBD" you sure like spending a lot of time on these forums.
The first thing I requested in this thread was that when you record the streak you keep the whole VOD, and you must record at least 10-15 games, I asked for that before you even started streaming.
This is a funny thread.
I don't know who prompted you to prove your escape rate, but the underlying problem has gone right over your head.
Consensus has always been that Solo Queue is too difficult, and SWF is too easy.
Whether it is Archive Challenges, Rage Quitters, AFKs, Matchmaking, and whatever else...Solo comes with all this baggage that SWF does not need to worry about. The gap between Solo and SWF is so wide that the outcome of any given trial feels arbitrary--particularly from the Killer's POV.
Ye, i cannot believe it, if we continue this way they will ask to look at me playing for 50 games in a raw being behind my gaming chair 😂
That's not the only point discussed here.
The global point is : good survivors will outplay a good killer most of the time, being a SWF or 4 soloQ players.
The game is balanced around average soloQ players/barely average SWFs.
Low MMR soloQ survivors struggle and high MMR killers struggle.
Screenshots prove nothing while i have provided you videos of 8 games in a row, your bad faith is infinite. You are not good enough to escape in your trials, we understood it, now move on. 6 years i play this game, my DbD sessions are all like this, i escape between 70 to 80% of the time, you can cry as much as you want.
I will make it easier for you - everyone else have easy killers but you only face hard tunneler right at the start every game. Does it sound legit ? No, you are delusional.
From the Spirit clip, she was just outplayed by everyone. It seems rare for you cause you do not play at that level, that's all. As i have said earlier, when i was in a good spot to start a chase with her (and not when she comes back on a dead zone save to get easy downs as shown here), being injured i gave her a 1 minute chase without using any pallet, you would have go down in 20 seconds and you know it.
And now you come to the point that the game is totally unbalanced UNLESS the killer tunnels right at the start. PRICELESS 😂
From now on, i will ignore everything you say, there is no point to talk with you, you just bring toxicity here.
I think good for you regardless because you're obviously succeeding. The problem with these types of threads though is that anyone who is having a rubbish time and sees that their beliefs about the game being tough are being challenged, then this triggers a response where the individual needs to seek justification for you being wrong amd them being right. Maybe they'll note it's the killer, the perks, the prestige, but no matter what you show there will ALWAYS be a way for someone to discredit you. In fact, evidence allows them to looo for more info.
Basically, this thread will do nothing to deter detractors, not will any other. As SoloQ, I'm on a 60% win-rate with randomised perks, items, add-ons and offerings, but there will always be someone who will look at it and go "No way they can be better than me! They're lying!" and get salty.
Every trial is too random to compare. Maybe I'm a good player! Maybe I'm a bad player, but take on worse players! Maybe I'm lucky with RNG! Maybe I'm on a lucky or unlucky streak. There are so many variables. However, personally, I believe you're doing well so well done and keep it up!
SoloQ is not difficult at all unless for bad players.
Check Trutalent streams, he escapes a lot in soloQ.
Once again you are delusional. Bad players play badly and do not escape. Good players paired with other good players play well and escape.
When you play soloQ you must play safely, moving from the gens when you hear the heartbeat if you do not have a clear view on the killer. In SWFs you will get the info before hearing the heartbeat, that is all what changes now, the HUD gives you way enough informations to play pretty well in soloQ even though you need to have a good gamesense.
60% with random perks is impressive.
I have a friend that plays like you, always switching perks between each trial and he is really really good, better than i actually am considering he does not run META and achieve almost the same success as i am.
I think that at the end of the day, once you have played 100 trials, everyone end up at the MMR they belong.
Sure you can have bad teammates (had a griefer yesterday morning) or an extremely good Blight/Nurse or a DC/kill on hook etc... On 5 games the impact is huge, on 100, 200 or 500 trials, all those events are negligible and everyone end up at the MMR they belong. The only common factor in all those trials is the concerned player, if he is loosing most of his 500 trials, he is ths weak link.
Ppl that refuse to admit it are jsut delusional and are just too arrogant to open their eyes and accept that they need to improve and thus they will neve improve.
Thank you. I'd say that one reason your friend is good at the game is because he actually makes it fun for himself. By changing up the builds and effectively experimenting, he'll find more creative and sneaky ways to get some perks to work, whilst not having the meta means he needs to rely more on his skill than a perk. If he's having that sort of fun, then no doubt he will be really good if he plays enough.
Also, sometimes I have had a perk in the mix which, if I had not had it earlier, may have cost my survival or kills and it really does go down to the minute details: For example, if I had not had Deja Vu once, then that was the difference between getting the final gen done or the killer stopping me, or Spies from the Shadows helped me find a survivor I would otherwise have not done so. It's all down to the little details, alongside enjoying the game and playing it against yourself, rather than killers or survivors.