Has there ever been a perk that's as busted as current day Eruption?
I think even old Ruin Undying was nowhere near as bad. Every past OP perk I can think of on either side had some form of counterplay. Original Ruin needed you to hit all skill checks. Old Ruin could be cleansed.
Eruption has no counterplay whatsoever. It triples as a slowdown, regression, and info perk. It's a stronger slowdown perk than dedicated slowdown perks. It's a stronger regression perk than dedicated regression perks. It's a very good info perk on the level of other meta info perks.
Survivors want to do gens. An efficient survivor will spend every second not in chase on a gen. Any gen kicked by Eruption becomes a trap for survivors. Any survivor working on it will reveal their exact location to a killer on a down (which is less predictable than a pick up, like Thrilling). They're also made useless for a whole 25 seconds (which is stronger than Deadlock, which only locks one gen for 30 seconds for 4 times in a match, allowing a survivor to heal, bless totems, or cleanse). On top of this, any generator kicked will lose 10% progress instantly (which is only 5% less than Pain Resonance, which requires finding one of 4 hooks on the map and only affects a single generator).
I think it's very telling that Nightlight had Pain Res as the top killer perk last week but currently has COB and Eruption sitting at the top and still climbing. It's also very telling that the top 5 most used killer builds include COB and Eruption. This perk is absurdly strong. I understand it was necessary to give it a small buff to give it some viability (I'd argue there are other perks more deserving, like Oppression), but Eruption needs to be nerfed into the ground. It is unacceptable for this perk to continue to exist in the game in its current form.
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As busted? Idk. But more busted I know a few: Off the Record, Circle of Healing, old Decisive Strike, old old Decisive Strike, old Dead Hard, current Dead Hard, Unbreakable, old Iron Will, Deliverance, old Mettle of Man, Prove Thyself, reworked Boil Over, Windows of Opportunity, Adrenaline, OG Self-Care, Lithe, Sprint Burst, Exponential, old Borrowed Time and old Spine Chill.
Eh...OTR is fine. It's strong, but it has counterplay.
New Dead Hard is also okay. Occasionally it can be bloody annoying, but I honestly still prefer Lithe.
What's OP about Windows?
If all these perks are ok, then Eruption is also okay since it has much more counterplay to it.
I'm curious how Windows is 'busted'?
I'm in favor of the incapacitated part of Eruption getting nerfed. The 10% regression on a down makes it a long range Jolt that requires set-up and only effects the gens you set up on, which is fine imo.
I would personally increase the regression to 12%, but reduce the Incapacitated duration to something miniscule like 5 seconds. Alternatively, the duration can go down to 10 seconds, and the scream is removed (killer no longer gets info + regression, and only regression).
(Trixie voice) *Oh honey*
SWFs cam handle eruption decently well because you know when your friends are going to go down. Old Object and even Pain Resonance (back when it made you scream) used to be like this, where you could circumvent some pretty big mechanics with good communication.
So... basically any survivor perk with a moderately decent effect is busted?
Nah, some of the perks on this list legitimately were busted. Pretty much anything with "old" prefacing it was legit pretty busted.
Definitely some odd choices here, though. OtR, WoO, new DH, and Adrenaline are pretty darn questionable on this list lol
Dude the perk is fine. I'm playing M1 killers and it's a nightmare without meta perks.
Read through this discussion and y'all really getting so worked up and cheeky about one perk 💀
Busted? No, basically only Off the Record, CoH and Dead Hard are truly busted. However, more oppressive than Eruption? Sure.
For this long? Dude, Dead Hard was left alone for YEARS. How long has it been since Eruption was buffed? July?
Your "this long" complaint is 5 months.
That is a long time to deal with that perk. DH has nothing to do with this, so I'm not even going to talk about that.
You are acting as if this perk is single handedly breaking this game. It's not. Not even close. I haven't even encountered it in my last fifteen games.
Just because you haven't seen it in "your last 15 games" doesn't mean others are having the same experience. I'm seeing it in almost every game I play. I do believe it's busted and needs a change soon.
You think that way about any killer perk with more than a 15% pick rate.
It blows my mind that people think any part of this post has proper argumentation to back it up. "25 seconds isn't even that long" is demonstrably untrue. 25 seconds is nearly 1/3rd of a gen.
Then again it's 6 seconds of regression... if you want to talk about progression then bring up regression
Call of Brine and Overchareg when Overcharge got the buff in the ptb meta change 600% regression.
The Incapacitated used to be 16 seconds and it was worthless. The only change it should get is the effect can only be applied for 45 seconds to a gen. If you don't down somebody in that time, then the effect is gone. If it procs, then it enters cooldown.
It was never worthless. Not even back then. The meta simply changed from Ruin Undying to gen kicking, and current Eruption got overtuned far too much in an attempt to incentivize moving away from passive reg. It simply synergizes too much with other strong gen kicking perks, and is too strong on its own accord. 16 seconds is a long time. 25 seconds is an even longer time. Incapacitated is too strong of a status effect and needs a hard nerf.
Yes, mettle of man when it came out, 4 of them every game, was nice experience. before the exhaustion got changed the good old sprint with vigil so u had sprint in chase every couple of seconds was also nice.
Eruption is strong, a little overtuned even, but there have been perks in the past way more busted than current Eruption.
Original Ruin, Original Dead Hard, Original Decisive Strike -and- after it's first rework, Original Mettle of Man, Original Undying, Original Object of Obsession, Boil Over right after it's rework.
Also Original Keys and Moris.
Eruption by itself is just destroying solo Q teams since they cant know when someone is gonna go down
easy way to change that perk while not making the perk useless , simple:
"when putting someone into the dying state , any gen affected by eruption will apply the next effects:
- 30% debuff to repair speed actions for 20 secs
-survivors will be affected by the hindered status effect during that time aswell
No more BS of being forced to do nothing during that time...and also a secondary effect for people that dont want to deal with the 30% debuff and instead prefers to leave the gen.
Exactly! Incapacitated needs to go! It makes absolutely no sense to ban my every action for 30seconds because I was doing my primary objective as survivor - a gen!!!
It would be the same to ban killers hits for 30 seconds because they downed a survivor. It is st**id.
I simply love how everyone just loves acting high and mighty on a discussion thread for no reason.
Having just come out of several solo queue survivor games that lasted more than 20 minutes, one of which against a Nemesis on Haddonfield, who tunneled a survivor out of the game within the first minute, and then refused to move from a 3-gen zone or the remainder of the game, using only gen regressing perks, I can say that while it might not be bannable now, at the rate this is going, it might be soon enough, and yes, this perk should be nerfed, or significantly reworked.
First things first: you cannot compare the experience of a solo queue player at mid MMR with that of either higher MMR SWF players, or that of killers of any MMR themselves. Sure, you love the perk as a killer, you don't mind it in SWF teams with good communication and the right perks. As for newer players (those without the right perks to counter for example), and solo queue players, the perk feels wildly different. You don't have any way of communicating efficiently with teammates, and you can't just counter it like it's no big deal. The fact that it happens on a down makes it extremely hard to predict, without the injured teammate communicating about when they are about to go down. As things stand, there are no perks that actively prevent Eruption from happening, and very little ways of countering it, if any. All of you higher MMR/SWF players in general, as well as the killer mains, who defend the perk, need to get off your high horses, and realize that you don't represent the most of DbD's community.
Let's not forget that the video Otzdarva made to explain gen rushing takes into account a perfect situation where the killer doesn't interrupt the survivor repairing the generator. Let us also remember that the way most streamers and content creators play does not reflect the way the average player will play the game. The very childish reaction of telling people to "get good" or learn to play around it will not solve the issue at hand. Just like the old Dead Hard, and arguably the newer version, it's not only a matter of skill, as the perk is not easily countered. And even then, being forced to bring the exact same perks in every single match takes away all the fun, and frankly, the point of the game itself. I don't want to have to bring gen-rushing perks to every match, or Blast Mine, or Repressed Alliance, just because 90% of the killers I'll face have the same exact, idiotic gen-kicking build.
There are quite a few ways to change it to make it less oppressive. First, it could be made to only work upon hooking survivors so it's more predictable. The traps could have a time limit, like Blast Mine or Wiretap, and expire after a set amount of time, to prevent abuse of the perk on multiple gens. There could be an upper limit to how many gens can be affected at the same time, which would evolve as more gens are completed by survivors. Regardless, it needs some changes, and soon.
Vanilla and 1.02 NO-ED
I am a survivor main and I agree that slow moving killers need good gen regressing perks. What I think is the problem is for some killers they are way too strong like any other perk. Perks should have different affect for different types of killers. Nurse can blink from gen to gen and use overcharge on 4 gens while pig will sweat her pants and maybe do it on 2... not mentioning nurse on small map and pig on big map. It shouldnt be that the same perk is OP for one and this is the problem
i mean
no one really cares if trapper, twins or half of the killers are undertuned.
they only care if there's a perk that makes playing any of them actually viable.
just like no one really cares if we've already settled into a meta where most survivors are still running DH, or if circle of healing is ridiculous overpowered.
but god forbid survivors, who can queue together in a party of 4 and share the killer's location, his perks, everything about what he's doing, and strategize, are forced to deal with a single perk. like it's just laughable.
the amount of bully squads and BM i've dealt with over the years while playing killer makes me have little sympathy for the other side. how often have killers been helpless in this game's history? most of it.