this game & devs have no hope
pretty much the title, im pretty sure we've all seen the patch notes and...
how do you manage to have a 40 perk rework & still dont acknowledge camping & tunneling?
Solo survivor is hard as is but now?? its literally unplayable.
5 second BT?! are you serious... when was the last time you guys played this game? killers already waited for 8 - 10 seconds for BT for ware off and you expect them to go away because of 5 seconds??? HOLY SH-
DS got nerfed but why? I thought it was good in its current state? i guess not since BHVR WANTS players to continue camping & tunneling
I cant believe BHVR tricked the whole community to be hyped & to stick around for these (NOT) amazing changes.
after 6 years this game has proven it cant keep or maintain the player base instead BHVR feeds off the new and incoming waves of players.
so glad our support & feedback is valued greatly
congrats BHVR, pretty good job so far. this update will surely keep the player base :))
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You're overly optimistic about the purpose of the ptb. It's 90% simply an early access. Even worse because we get an out-of-date build already.
Moreover, they've been notoriously stubborn in forcing big changes down our throats whenever they put man-hours into those, despite massive community negative feedback.
What you're reading in the devs' post is going to be the live version.
no one will argue with you on that...
preetty much
nothing really changes from PTB -----> live update
Yeah but you can watch streamers playing the PTB. I definitely will
I only watch one streamer & thats suzihunter :))
dbd content creators suck except for Otz but even his videos are borring :/
almost forgot SpooknJukes, his content is hilarious
I honestly doubt the ptb will have many solo q plays, or even enough to gather proper data
And even when they have to go back it still takes them a lot to admit the mistake and fix it, the HUD and animation things were blunders on the PTB yet they still shiped them hoping people would forget after a week, people didnt forgot and kept complaining until they decided to fix it, it took them two weeks from release to fix, take on acount people were already complaining on the PTB, saying it gave them eye strain (myself included, it was AWFUL had to stop playing untilt hey changed it), they didnt care, they were right, our eyes were wrong and thats it.
P.D. I still dont know why they had to waste resources on the HUD, at first I tought it was because they were going to implement something to give info on what every Survivor was doing so Solo could get a buff which didnt impact SWF but after more than one year and nothing being added I still dont understand the change.
Try civ
If I, as the killer have gotten to end game, and everyone is on second hook, I will take as many deaths as I can manage.
If someone else, as a survivor, has made it to endgame and is still alive, it doesn't mean they deserve to escape.
I know you weren't talking to me, but your comment annoyed me.
Let palettes respawn :^)
Good luck getting to end game.
It’s just stupid to reduce the ds stun if they want to avoid tunnling! They easily could make the stun 10 seconds to hurt tunnler, but hey: „this perk is overused“ 🤷🏼♂️
All these upcoming changes do nothing against camping, cause for that it’s needed to have a chance to unhook. So why not simple: if the killer is in totale 30 seconds near than 24 meters near the hook while not in chase, the hooked survivor can selfunhooking (in stage 1&2) and get bt for 15 seconds.
I'm not sure if you are trolling or not, but well. Reading your post, I assume you are mostly playing solo survivor, which is a huge pain in the butt. in like one-third of the matches someone gives up early or worse, just straight up DC. it's painful and if you want to win, don't play it (I know, terrific advice).
1) It is sad that there are no solo Q changes, in fact, some things in the dev update seemed to actually nerf solos. I am sad about that.
2) They literally acknowledged camping and tunneling explicitly in the dev update. So you are just wrong on that one. Maybe instead of the word "acknowledge" you wanted to say "addressed", I don't know.
3) Why do you say solo survivor is now unplayable? What changed exactly what makes you feel that way?
4) 5-second BT is better than 0-second BT most of the time when I play solo. So I'm very confused why this makes you mad. It's literally a basekit 5th perk for every survivor. This is a VERY powerful buff to survivors, especially solo because you can't rely on some team members bringing perks. You also get the speed boost, which will help you to reach a safer place in those 5 seconds and you still can run other perks that help you with these if you want to. (like SB)
5) The DS nerf is laughable and very insignificant. The endgame disabling is basically fine. If you used it as an endgame crutch perk, well, your bad. It's very strong, but it should not be a 100% escape at that point. The stun duration is a bit concerning but only against blight and nurse, maybe MDR spirit. Sad, but if they keep the new OTR even slightly close to the current planned power level, it just doesn't matter
6) No one tricked anyone. Some of us just see potential in the changes. btw It seems to me that with the base killer changes they affect more the m1 killers than the S-tier insane killers, which is good.
Overall the more I read it the better it feels like killers got nerfed. Except for the 90s gen speed, killers lost ruin, pop, pain res. tinkerer got nerfed a bit. The only actual strong slowdown perk I see rn is pentimento, which is one of the best perks to encounter as a solo Q player (because you always know where the totems are)
Survivors on the other hand lost DH and IW. which, lets be honest, IW was not really needed to win anyways. Instead, they got OP off the record, which is, btw, a selfish perk, so it helps solos, if you want to bring it. DS stayed almost the same, unbreakable untouched. boons untouched (which btw is insane). Additionally, EVERYONE got 5 second BT with optionally making it 15, which you should run if you plan on unhooking.
I understand getting used to new things and changes many times is challenging and hard, because we got used to the old so much, but I am not exactly sure what makes you so upset. The only actual thing which you pointed out is 5 second BT, like it's a bad thing.
stop pushing the narrative that people dont like change, its weird & NO THEY FAILED TO ACKNOWLEDGE since its still the same
two of the most boring aspects of survivor got buffed:
-more gens & buff to tunneling & camping
tell me why should a killer should not camp when this update hits? I know I wouldnt since I can just slap deadlock on my build along with regression & NOED. also this rework was SUPPOSED to shake up meta but:
before update: need BT & DS
after update: still need BT & DS
this was a chance to really let us use new perks and such but im failing to see why I should? a 5 second BT??? is that really reliable?
I dont use DH or IW so I dont care for those perks, looping has always been easy in this game. say what you want but facecamping & tunneling is 80% of the gameplay already & making it more appealing does not help at all.
literally just make it a 10 second DS
and for people who says thats to long, its very COUNTERABLE if you dont tunnel
im tired of this community acting like facecamping & tunneling gets punished by gens since we all know thats a different story in soloQ
i just played against tunneling & camping spirit & nurse and its insane that people actually believe that casuals just have to adapt & get good.
not everyone strives to be the ultimate comp DBD player :))
There was literally a section called "Camping and Tunnelling" in the notes. Did you even read it?
did you even read that I just answered this :))
It was a terrible answer. They did acknowledge it. And made several changes to the game, even at a basekit. You not thinking it is enough does not mean it didn't happen, or get "acknowleged."
"it was a terrible answer." lmaoo
please go into detail why im wrong
coddling and continuing to give these devs a pass is just no.
one game.
one game mode.
literally not asking much here just the bare minimum.
They did more then the bare minimum. They gave you half a BT basekit. That is GIGANTIC. To see here and look at that and try to say with a straight face that the developers did not acknowledge the issue with tunnelling is not even an opinion, it is just objectively wrong.
whatever you say hon
for years i cant understand those complains about camping. i belive you call camping when there are 1 gen left with 90% and surv is hooked nearby. So strategic and logical desicions are considered by you as camping. You just want walk for free and unhook.
i remember people when people compalined about camping when exit gates are open and one of surviviors is on hook. Like you have to walk away or go for a bait.
Translation: you got nothing. You are just big mad.
yes i am punching my computer screen as we speak
It's a known scientific fact from psychology that people statistically don't like change. Basically humans rely a lot on habits, and changes force us out of the comfort zone and cause stress, but whatever :D
I googled it in case my English was bad. To acknowledge means "To admit the existence or truth of. To express recognition of; make notice of." Since they literally had a whole paragraph named "camping & tunneling", we should all agree that they did acknowledge these aspects. I still believe the word you want to use is "addressed".
In terms of tunneling, I believe adding the 5 second BT to every survivor on any team is a huge help both with tunneling and camping. DS got barely changed, but the real game-changer of course is Off the record. I believe hardcore tunneling was already not the best strategy in high MMR matches, now it's just straight-up a bad idea. Especially with other things, like the new WGLF perk granting endurance too. Focusing 2 or 3 survivors heavily is of course still the go-to strategy, which in the current realities of the game would be extremely hard to change.
In terms of camping, I have to agree with you. the 90-second gen time looks scary, and they did not touch the ultimate dumb build perks, like deadlock. I do believe this can be a huge issue. On the other hand, trading hooks should be easier with basekit BT + Off the record should help with that EXCEPT against Bubba. But Bubba is a huge problem himself, unless the first survivor loops him for at least 60 seconds (+ the time for him to actually find that survivor), there is little chance to win.
So yeah, camping is something that I think they should look at 100%
Let's see the meta changes. Just because you don't run DH and IW it doesn't really matter in terms of the meta. You are not the meta, obviously.
BT is still strong, but not nearly as mandatory.
DS is strong, but you can use OTR instead.
Is there going to be an absolutely huge meta shift on the survivor side? I think no. maybe some players will play endgame builds, but that's it.
On the killer side, there is much more potential for huge changes
I think it's a brave patch and a very big one. Is it perfect? absolutely not! Is it better than most of BHVR's patches? yeah, by far. I hope they do address camping more. Currently, if all survivors after spawning sit on gens, even if the first guy goes down relatively quickly, you can get a 3man escape. But the gen speed changes can indeed be crucial for this in case of a Bubba especially. Against most other killers you can trade at the last second and win an insane amount of additional time.
Ohh, also sidenote: they should make Kinship not suck in Solo Q. that'd be really good
im not saying your wrong about your change & phycology but this is a video game and dont see how they correlate??
its just opinion is all.
ofc hardcore tunneling is bad when you go against good survivors who know how to loop. the problem is when those strats are used on casuals/ baby survivors & soloQ in general. its like almost 3-4K every time in my situations.
and 100% i can predict that this update will:
form a new meta & cycle begins again
they need to address baseline game mechanics more because its the same thing after this patch.
band aid over band aid fixes & we're still using perks to fix the issues within the game.
all BHVR did was swap out perks and inserted new ones into Meta so like??
is there really a difference? cause i dont see it