Bad ideas in the PTB.

ChesterTheMolester

1. Being Hookswarmed is now punishable. FOR THE KILLER. How is it that i risk my pip when survivors are circling around the hooked survivor like flies to a turd? Why do i have to let them get away with it? 

Remove the chaser penalty or introduce a punishment for staying to close to a hooked survivor as a survivor.


2. Perks
Vigil and Streetwise need some buffs, but these are simply not gonna cut it at all. No ones care about 15 extra seconds when the bonus isnt high enough to give a ######### in the first place.

Beast of Prey is still tied to Bloodlust. That means its still bad.

3. Surprising lack of content.
No Freddy rework?
No DS change?
A single change for the spirit?
Just these few perk changes?

The_Fallen_Utopia

Maybe they are more interested in making cosmetics for a Halloween event over actually making good changes.. 

The_Fallen_Utopia

Ok not all the changes are bad but.. where's the Freddy rework? I was really looking forward to hearing more of that.. 

megdonalds

1. you care about pips and rank? you are really weird. when many survs run around the hook it's mostly in favor of the killer because nobody does gens then and mostly it ends in a clown fiesta and you get an ez 4k. that change won't even be noticeable, your argument is just pointless.
2. you can run around the map and keep refeshing leader for another 15s for your mates by just being close for a short time. that's a big buff imo and you can use the speed buffs even in chases.
   you need only bloodlust 1 for beast of pray which procs kinda fast. 90% of survs rely on the red stain, so you don't even have to mindgame much to get a hit.
3. freddy rework wasn't planned for this midchapter patch. DS change was actually promised, but who cares, it's just a fking game.

Tbh the PTB patch notes and changes are huge and pretty appreciated. there are many QOL improvements and thank god, they finally fixed even some oldschool bugs which persist in the game almost since release.

ProfoundEnding

The_Fallen_Utopia said:

Maybe they are more interested in making cosmetics for a Halloween event over actually making good changes.. 

The cosmetics were already leaked if you didn't see them. They're not all Halloween themed though, and only the killers got Halloween inspired cosmetics.

The_Fallen_Utopia

@ProfoundEnding no I haven't seen them yet. I'll look into that. Hopefully something good is there. 

ChesterTheMolester

megdonalds said:

1. you care about pips and rank? you are really weird. when many survs run around the hook it's mostly in favor of the killer because nobody does gens then and mostly it ends in a clown fiesta and you get an ez 4k. that change won't even be noticeable, your argument is just pointless.
2. you can run around the map and keep refeshing leader for another 15s for your mates by just being close for a short time. that's a big buff imo and you can use the speed buffs even in chases.
   you need only bloodlust 1 for beast of pray which procs kinda fast. 90% of survs rely on the red stain, so you don't even have to mindgame much to get a hit.
3. freddy rework wasn't planned for this midchapter patch. DS change was actually promised, but who cares, it's just a fking game.

Tbh the PTB patch notes and changes are huge and pretty appreciated. there are many QOL improvements and thank god, they finally fixed even some oldschool bugs which persist in the game almost since release.

1. I care, and the hooked survivor perhaps does as they will now definitely depip a lot more often thanks to hookswarming. 

2. I wasnt talking about leader and moving back and forth to refresh it will cost you more time than you gain with its small boost anyway.

Beast of Prey is countered by pallets and mindgames. WHICH IS THE VERY THING IT WAS MEANT TO BE USED FOR.

3. Your defense of DS is not a real argument. 
Everything can be justified using it. Including but not limited to random ban systems and hacking.

Milo

I wonder if Vigil also reduced the debuff of Broken would that be run with Delivearence... and also increase the %

megdonalds

@ChesterTheMolester said:
megdonalds said:

* you care about pips and rank? you are really weird. when many survs run around the hook it's mostly in favor of the killer because nobody does gens then and mostly it ends in a clown fiesta and you get an ez 4k. that change won't even be noticeable, your argument is just pointless.
* you can run around the map and keep refeshing leader for another 15s for your mates by just being close for a short time. that's a big buff imo and you can use the speed buffs even in chases.

you need only bloodlust 1 for beast of pray which procs kinda fast. 90% of survs rely on the red stain, so you don't even have to mindgame much to get a hit.
* freddy rework wasn't planned for this midchapter patch. DS change was actually promised, but who cares, it's just a fking game.

Tbh the PTB patch notes and changes are huge and pretty appreciated. there are many QOL improvements and thank god, they finally fixed even some oldschool bugs which persist in the game almost since release.

1. I care, and the hooked survivor perhaps does as they will now defintely depip a lot more often thanks to hookswarming. 

   1. I wasnt talking about leader and moving back and forth to refresh it will cost you more time than you gain with its small boost anyway.

Beast of Prey is countered by pallets and mindgames. WHICH IS THE VERY THING IT WAS MEANT TO BE USED FOR.

1. Your defense of DS is not a real argument. 
   Everything can be justified using it. Including but not limited to random ban systems and hacking.

But you shouldn't care, so it's your whatsoever problem and not the problem of others. So you admit you are a campy killer and whine about getting maybe only 1-pip instead of 2-pip? Well, makes sense then.
You can't just increase the %-numbers of streetwise, leader etc. for Lols because it would make SWF, toolboxes and gen rushing even stronger. Perks don't exist too have ez escapes and 4ks and you can't buff every single perk to oblivion. It's very obvious that you are unable to figure it.
I never defended DS here, LUL. If i could i would delete that perk from the game. But it seems that DS thingy is very important for your life.

ChesterTheMolester

megdonalds said:

@ChesterTheMolester said:
megdonalds said:

* you care about pips and rank? you are really weird. when many survs run around the hook it's mostly in favor of the killer because nobody does gens then and mostly it ends in a clown fiesta and you get an ez 4k. that change won't even be noticeable, your argument is just pointless.
* you can run around the map and keep refeshing leader for another 15s for your mates by just being close for a short time. that's a big buff imo and you can use the speed buffs even in chases.

you need only bloodlust 1 for beast of pray which procs kinda fast. 90% of survs rely on the red stain, so you don't even have to mindgame much to get a hit.
* freddy rework wasn't planned for this midchapter patch. DS change was actually promised, but who cares, it's just a fking game.

Tbh the PTB patch notes and changes are huge and pretty appreciated. there are many QOL improvements and thank god, they finally fixed even some oldschool bugs which persist in the game almost since release.

1. I care, and the hooked survivor perhaps does as they will now defintely depip a lot more often thanks to hookswarming. 

   1. I wasnt talking about leader and moving back and forth to refresh it will cost you more time than you gain with its small boost anyway.

Beast of Prey is countered by pallets and mindgames. WHICH IS THE VERY THING IT WAS MEANT TO BE USED FOR.

1. Your defense of DS is not a real argument. 
   Everything can be justified using it. Including but not limited to random ban systems and hacking.

But you shouldn't care, so it's your whatsoever problem and not the problem of others. So you admit you are a campy killer and whine about getting maybe only 1-pip instead of 2-pip? Well, makes sense then.
You can't just increase the %-numbers of streetwise, leader etc. for Lols because it would make SWF, toolboxes and gen rushing even stronger. Perks don't exist too have ez escapes and 4ks and you can't buff every single perk to oblivion. It's very obvious that you are unable to figure it.
I never defended DS here, LUL. If i could i would delete that perk from the game. But it seems that DS thingy is very important for your life.

1. What is one of the only 2 scenarios where camping is the best tactic? Hookswarming. If you encourage hookswarming you encourage camping. If you punish it you will see less. 

2. Im against that change because i want to camp less not more. Also calling me a campy and whiny Killer is, again, not an argument.

3. The increased amount of Hookswarming will inevitably affect everyone. I mostly play Killer but when i do play survivor i dont want to spend 2 minutes being camped thanks to my moronic teammates. 

4. Then give them anothr side effect rather than a buff thats barely worth mentioning.

5. Yes cause DS is a cheap crutch that shouldnt exist in the first place. You even admit that, you just dont play Killer enough to be really annoyed and affected by it.
Out of sight, out of mind huh?

BTW i leave this here for you. Thank me later.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument

Dragonredking

Not getting emblems and losing pips isn't a punishment, I wouldn't be surprise if camping increase if they push that throught.
Not piping allow people to stay at a rank they don't find frustrating, also high rank is generaly tied with increased queue time.

megdonalds

@ChesterTheMolester said:
megdonalds said:

@ChesterTheMolester said:

megdonalds said:

• you care about pips and rank? you are really weird. when many survs run around the hook it's mostly in favor of the killer because nobody does gens then and mostly it ends in a clown fiesta and you get an ez 4k. that change won't even be noticeable, your argument is just pointless.

• you can run around the map and keep refeshing leader for another 15s for your mates by just being close for a short time. that's a big buff imo and you can use the speed buffs even in chases.

  you need only bloodlust 1 for beast of pray which procs kinda fast. 90% of survs rely on the red stain, so you don't even have to mindgame much to get a hit.

• freddy rework wasn't planned for this midchapter patch. DS change was actually promised, but who cares, it's just a fking game.

  Tbh the PTB patch notes and changes are huge and pretty appreciated. there are many QOL improvements and thank god, they finally fixed even some oldschool bugs which persist in the game almost since release.

  • I care, and the hooked survivor perhaps does as they will now defintely depip a lot more often thanks to hookswarming. 

  • I wasnt talking about leader and moving back and forth to refresh it will cost you more time than you gain with its small boost anyway.

  Beast of Prey is countered by pallets and mindgames. WHICH IS THE VERY THING IT WAS MEANT TO BE USED FOR.

  • Your defense of DS is not a real argument. 

  Everything can be justified using it. Including but not limited to random ban systems and hacking.

  But you shouldn't care, so it's your whatsoever problem and not the problem of others. So you admit you are a campy killer and whine about getting maybe only 1-pip instead of 2-pip? Well, makes sense then.

You can't just increase the %-numbers of streetwise, leader etc. for Lols because it would make SWF, toolboxes and gen rushing even stronger. Perks don't exist too have ez escapes and 4ks and you can't buff every single perk to oblivion. It's very obvious that you are unable to figure it.

I never defended DS here, LUL. If i could i would delete that perk from the game. But it seems that DS thingy is very important for your life.

1. What is one of the only 2 scenarios where camping is the best tactic? Hookswarming. If you encourage hookswarming you encourage camping. If you punish it you will see less. 

   1. Im against that change because i want to camp less not more. Also calling me a campy and whiny Killer is, again, not an argument.

   2. The increased amount of Hookswarming will inevitably affect everyone. I mostly play Killer but when i do play survivor i dont want to spend 2 minutes being camped thanks to my moronic teammates. 

   3. Then give them anothr side effect rather than a buff thats barely worth mentioning.

   4. Yes cause DS is a cheap crutch that shouldnt exist in the first place. You even admit that, you just dont play Killer enough to be really annoyed and affected by it.
      Out of sight, out of mind huh?

BTW i leave this here for you. Thank me later.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument

Ehm, how old are you again, 12 or even below? That wiki and argument thingy is pretty much residentsleeper btw. To think you are the only one who have "arguments" and say other have none is also considered as 100% mature logic cough.
My killer/survivor play ratio is pretty much 50/50 and i know everything in and about this game. im very sure you don't. can i expect any other unlogical and immature thingys next?

ChesterTheMolester

megdonalds said:

@ChesterTheMolester said:
megdonalds said:

@ChesterTheMolester said:

megdonalds said:

• you care about pips and rank? you are really weird. when many survs run around the hook it's mostly in favor of the killer because nobody does gens then and mostly it ends in a clown fiesta and you get an ez 4k. that change won't even be noticeable, your argument is just pointless.

• you can run around the map and keep refeshing leader for another 15s for your mates by just being close for a short time. that's a big buff imo and you can use the speed buffs even in chases.

  you need only bloodlust 1 for beast of pray which procs kinda fast. 90% of survs rely on the red stain, so you don't even have to mindgame much to get a hit.

• freddy rework wasn't planned for this midchapter patch. DS change was actually promised, but who cares, it's just a fking game.

  Tbh the PTB patch notes and changes are huge and pretty appreciated. there are many QOL improvements and thank god, they finally fixed even some oldschool bugs which persist in the game almost since release.

  • I care, and the hooked survivor perhaps does as they will now defintely depip a lot more often thanks to hookswarming. 

  • I wasnt talking about leader and moving back and forth to refresh it will cost you more time than you gain with its small boost anyway.

  Beast of Prey is countered by pallets and mindgames. WHICH IS THE VERY THING IT WAS MEANT TO BE USED FOR.

  • Your defense of DS is not a real argument. 

  Everything can be justified using it. Including but not limited to random ban systems and hacking.

  But you shouldn't care, so it's your whatsoever problem and not the problem of others. So you admit you are a campy killer and whine about getting maybe only 1-pip instead of 2-pip? Well, makes sense then.

You can't just increase the %-numbers of streetwise, leader etc. for Lols because it would make SWF, toolboxes and gen rushing even stronger. Perks don't exist too have ez escapes and 4ks and you can't buff every single perk to oblivion. It's very obvious that you are unable to figure it.

I never defended DS here, LUL. If i could i would delete that perk from the game. But it seems that DS thingy is very important for your life.

1. What is one of the only 2 scenarios where camping is the best tactic? Hookswarming. If you encourage hookswarming you encourage camping. If you punish it you will see less. 

   1. Im against that change because i want to camp less not more. Also calling me a campy and whiny Killer is, again, not an argument.

   2. The increased amount of Hookswarming will inevitably affect everyone. I mostly play Killer but when i do play survivor i dont want to spend 2 minutes being camped thanks to my moronic teammates. 

   3. Then give them anothr side effect rather than a buff thats barely worth mentioning.

   4. Yes cause DS is a cheap crutch that shouldnt exist in the first place. You even admit that, you just dont play Killer enough to be really annoyed and affected by it.
      Out of sight, out of mind huh?

BTW i leave this here for you. Thank me later.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument

Ehm, how old are you again, 12 or even below? That wiki and argument thingy is pretty much residentsleeper btw. To think you are the only one who have "arguments" and say other have none is also considered as 100% mature logic cough.
My killer/survivor play ratio is pretty much 50/50 and i know everything in and about this game. im very sure you don't. can i expect any other unlogical and immature thingys next?

You were the one who failed then called me a whiny Killer main that apparently wants survivor perks to be buffed to be more viable. 

Also changing subject does not change reality.

megdonalds

Just keep talking to yourself and to your own "arguments", i'm fine with that.

sixty4half

I dont care about the chaser mechanic.  If they want me to constantly only get +1 pip and take longer to red ranks, that's on them.

I play to kill victims, not worry about some arbitrary ranking system that has changed a half a dozen times already and will change in the future

Wolf74

@ChesterTheMolester said:
1. Being Hookswarmed is now punishable. FOR THE KILLER. How is it that i risk my pip when survivors are circling around the hooked survivor like flies to a turd? Why do i have to let them get away with it? 

Remove the chaser penalty or introduce a punishment for staying to close to a hooked survivor as a survivor.

Is that just about the gain of emblem points?
I could live with that, since ranking up as a killer isn't beneficial anyway.

But in general it is an unfair mechanic, that should just force the killer to give free unhooks.

Peasant

I mean when no gens are done and I can hook two survivors near each other what am I supposed to do, leave? If defending my kills punishes me and helps me stay in easier and more casual ranks then by all means:
"PRAISE BE UNTO MATHIEU, LORD OF NERFS!"

CallMeRusty420

stirs coffee and looks at the thread

Still trying to treat the symptoms of the imbalance I see. How disappointing.

Eninya

@ChesterTheMolester said:
1. Being Hookswarmed is now punishable. FOR THE KILLER. How is it that i risk my pip when survivors are circling around the hooked survivor like flies to a turd? Why do i have to let them get away with it? 

Remove the chaser penalty or introduce a punishment for staying to close to a hooked survivor as a survivor.

lol Then nerf/remove Barbeque & Chili. This is literally why people run towards the hook, so they're inside the deadzone for it.

HP150

I agree with all of your points except lack of content.

After watching Telltale Games go under, I'm going to start cutting BHVR a bit more slack. They're not the largest developer in the world and from what I can tell Dead by Daylight is currently their only real money maker, especially after Death Garden hard-flopped. It makes sense for them to put more focus on cosmetics than they previously had. I'd hate to see DBD meet an early grave, despite how much ######### I usually give the devs.

DemonDaddy

Not a fan of the emblem change. Don't care about the camping aspect, people will do this regardless. I'm more concerned how this will effect perk playstyle like devour hope and make your choice. Survivors (especially bp farmers) will start rushing to the hook the moment somebody is up. Expect to see this stop activating as you wont be getting far enough before an unhook occurs. 

Seanzu

@The_Fallen_Utopia said:
Maybe they are more interested in making cosmetics for a Halloween event over actually making good changes.. 

Yea because you really want the art team working on killer/survivor changes, lol.

The_Fallen_Utopia

SenzuDuck said:

@The_Fallen_Utopia said:
Maybe they are more interested in making cosmetics for a Halloween event over actually making good changes.. 

Yea because you really want the art team working on killer/survivor changes, lol.

If you saw the comment after that one I was saying that as a joke.. of course I know that's not their reason. 

Dreamnomad

@ChesterTheMolester said:
1. Being Hookswarmed is now punishable. FOR THE KILLER. How is it that i risk my pip when survivors are circling around the hooked survivor like flies to a turd? Why do i have to let them get away with it? 

Remove the chaser penalty or introduce a punishment for staying to close to a hooked survivor as a survivor.

1. Perks
   Vigil and Streetwise need some buffs, but these are simply not gonna cut it at all. No ones care about 15 extra seconds when the bonus isnt high enough to give a ######### in the first place.

Beast of Prey is still tied to Bloodlust. That means its still bad.

1. Surprising lack of content.
   No Freddy rework?
   No DS change?
   A single change for the spirit?
   Just these few perk changes?

1.) That is a gross exaggeration. If you hook someone and survivors start hookswarming then you will still get a bunch of bloodpoints and emblem progression for knocking them around. This is clearly just meant to be a light slap on the wrist for hard camping. If you aren't hard camping then you won't notice this change at all.

2.) Not every perk is going to be a meta perk. These are all changes in the right direction though. If it isn't enough then they might revisit them in the future. But progress is still progress.

3.) Personally, I think they made quite a few changes for one patch. The change to healing alone is actually a pretty massive change for the game. I for one, appreciate the effort they put into developing the game.

shadowsfall42

I'm okay with a lot of the changes, (It's really nice to hear they're spreading out hooks better) but the chaser one is annoying. I can already barely leave the hook before they're saved plus camping the hook when the exit gates are opened is now gonna punish me? Are you joking? What else am I supposed to do? Because if I leave the hook, I lose that sac, if I stay I might not pip. 

And I'm really disappointed that all they did with the spirit was decrease the CD on her ability. I get being cautious with buffing her, but after an underwhelming initial ptb before release and on release being more underwhelming, I'm a little confused. The CD buff was good, but I don't think it's enough.

DeadByFlashlight

@ChesterTheMolester said:
1. Being Hookswarmed is now punishable. FOR THE KILLER. How is it that i risk my pip when survivors are circling around the hooked survivor like flies to a turd? Why do i have to let them get away with it? 

Remove the chaser penalty or introduce a punishment for staying to close to a hooked survivor as a survivor.

1. Perks
   Vigil and Streetwise need some buffs, but these are simply not gonna cut it at all. No ones care about 15 extra seconds when the bonus isnt high enough to give a ######### in the first place.

Beast of Prey is still tied to Bloodlust. That means its still bad.

1. Surprising lack of content.
   No Freddy rework?
   No DS change?
   A single change for the spirit?
   Just these few perk changes?

Invulnerability for the unhooked guy, easier unhook animation and now emblem punishment for the killer.

Yes, the direction is obvious

You forgot to mention the sabotage buff and the slugg nerf together with less hooks on the map, that might become "interesting"

slingshotsurvivor

megdonalds said:

1. you care about pips and rank? you are really weird. when many survs run around the hook it's mostly in favor of the killer because nobody does gens then and mostly it ends in a clown fiesta and you get an ez 4k. that change won't even be noticeable, your argument is just pointless.
2. you can run around the map and keep refeshing leader for another 15s for your mates by just being close for a short time. that's a big buff imo and you can use the speed buffs even in chases.
   you need only bloodlust 1 for beast of pray which procs kinda fast. 90% of survs rely on the red stain, so you don't even have to mindgame much to get a hit.
3. freddy rework wasn't planned for this midchapter patch. DS change was actually promised, but who cares, it's just a fking game.

Tbh the PTB patch notes and changes are huge and pretty appreciated. there are many QOL improvements and thank god, they finally fixed even some oldschool bugs which persist in the game almost since release.

This:
"Tbh the PTB patch notes and changes are huge and pretty appreciated. there are many QOL improvements and thank god, they finally fixed even some oldschool bugs which persist in the game almost since release."
👆👆👆👆
❤️❤️❤️❤️

Tsulan

Eninya said:

@ChesterTheMolester said:
1. Being Hookswarmed is now punishable. FOR THE KILLER. How is it that i risk my pip when survivors are circling around the hooked survivor like flies to a turd? Why do i have to let them get away with it? 

Remove the chaser penalty or introduce a punishment for staying to close to a hooked survivor as a survivor.

lol Then nerf/remove Barbeque & Chili. This is literally why people run towards the hook, so they're inside the deadzone for it.

Oh yes, nerf BBQ. The number 1 perk that reduces camping. 
I mean, what could possibly go wrong...

xxaggieboyxx

megdonalds said:

@ChesterTheMolester said:
megdonalds said:

* you care about pips and rank? you are really weird. when many survs run around the hook it's mostly in favor of the killer because nobody does gens then and mostly it ends in a clown fiesta and you get an ez 4k. that change won't even be noticeable, your argument is just pointless.
* you can run around the map and keep refeshing leader for another 15s for your mates by just being close for a short time. that's a big buff imo and you can use the speed buffs even in chases.

you need only bloodlust 1 for beast of pray which procs kinda fast. 90% of survs rely on the red stain, so you don't even have to mindgame much to get a hit.
* freddy rework wasn't planned for this midchapter patch. DS change was actually promised, but who cares, it's just a fking game.

Tbh the PTB patch notes and changes are huge and pretty appreciated. there are many QOL improvements and thank god, they finally fixed even some oldschool bugs which persist in the game almost since release.

1. I care, and the hooked survivor perhaps does as they will now defintely depip a lot more often thanks to hookswarming. 

   1. I wasnt talking about leader and moving back and forth to refresh it will cost you more time than you gain with its small boost anyway.

Beast of Prey is countered by pallets and mindgames. WHICH IS THE VERY THING IT WAS MEANT TO BE USED FOR.

1. Your defense of DS is not a real argument. 
   Everything can be justified using it. Including but not limited to random ban systems and hacking.

But you shouldn't care, so it's your whatsoever problem and not the problem of others. So you admit you are a campy killer and whine about getting maybe only 1-pip instead of 2-pip? Well, makes sense then.
You can't just increase the %-numbers of streetwise, leader etc. for Lols because it would make SWF, toolboxes and gen rushing even stronger. Perks don't exist too have ez escapes and 4ks and you can't buff every single perk to oblivion. It's very obvious that you are unable to figure it.
I never defended DS here, LUL. If i could i would delete that perk from the game. But it seems that DS thingy is very important for your life.

Lol "perks don't exist to have ez escapes" lmao ds sprint burst deadhard balanced landing lithe self care borrowed time... using at least one exhaustion with bt self care and ds sounds like a pretty ez escape to me 

xxaggieboyxx

DeadByFlashlight said:

@ChesterTheMolester said:
1. Being Hookswarmed is now punishable. FOR THE KILLER. How is it that i risk my pip when survivors are circling around the hooked survivor like flies to a turd? Why do i have to let them get away with it? 

Remove the chaser penalty or introduce a punishment for staying to close to a hooked survivor as a survivor.

1. Perks
   Vigil and Streetwise need some buffs, but these are simply not gonna cut it at all. No ones care about 15 extra seconds when the bonus isnt high enough to give a ######### in the first place.

Beast of Prey is still tied to Bloodlust. That means its still bad.

1. Surprising lack of content.
   No Freddy rework?
   No DS change?
   A single change for the spirit?
   Just these few perk changes?

Invulnerability for the unhooked guy, easier unhook animation and now emblem punishment for the killer.

Yes, the direction is obvious

You forgot to mention the sabotage buff and the slugg nerf together with less hooks on the map, that might become "interesting"

One step forward 2 steps back...