What Happened to Talbot Grimes?

I just finished the collection entry Doors Unknown, and I am...really confused. What happened to Talbot Grimes once he came into the realm of the Entity? Can he still think? Was his original Blight form ever real, or did he immediately become the True Blight? If anybody has any theories, I'd be glad to hear them.

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  • That's what I'm curious about too, it seems to me he became the True Blight first, but its possible that it was only a temporary transformation, and then he stuck himself with the serum in Father Campbell's chapel, different clothes too btw, and became the Blight we have as default.

  • Another thing is in the entries it says Talbot tears his eyes out, but in the video his eyes are still intact. Just how much of what happened was a fever dream and how much was real?

  • @TapeKnot said:

    Another thing is in the entries it says Talbot tears his eyes out, but in the video his eyes are still intact. Just how much of what happened was a fever dream and how much was real?

    Most of this tome is a fever dream, the Entity was totally screwing with him.

  • Well I had been following the events since 2018. I had a few ideas when he first came out as a killer and made this post:

    @BSNightflow said:

    If you haven't read the new killer's story, here it is:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/183776/descend-beyond-character-lore

    About the Opium War I

    I found the Blight's (aka the Alchemist's) story heavily linked to the Opium War. More accurately, on a remote island of India, he experimented on the captured soldiers (and maybe citizens) of the Opium War I, who undoubtly were Chinese during the 1840s. As a college student from Beijing, China, I was shocked due to these reasons:

    1) Talbot Grimes is a war criminal to some sort. True, Nazi doctors and sort can be a popular antagonist stereotype in horror games, yet a DBD killer is not an antagonist, but a character I'm about to purchase, use, and at least feel some empathy for;

    2) His story is not that necessary to explain his powers and perks, nor does it correspond very well with the Hallowed Blight lore of 2018 and 2019;

    3) Unlike the story of Doctor or Trapper that are obviously fictional, the Opium Wars are actual hystorical events and has a very specified death/injured name list of both sides. It's the kind of topic you may want to be careful with when you write for a online video game which has a rather large fan base;

    4) The Wraith's story also mentioned the wars of Africa. However in that story, Philip was a young victim of war, not a perpetrator.

    And that's why I've been having mixed feelings toward the Blight's release.

    About the Rawalpindi Experiments

    Since I never heard of any English army conducting human experiments during the Opium Wars, I decided to read more documents.

    During further research, I learned about another set of inhumane experiments that likely took place during WWII, the Rawalpindi Experiments, in which English institutes exposed unwilling Indian soldiers to mustard gas to learn the effects of this infamous weapon. I think this may be one of the "real" inspirations of the Blight's story. And the altering of time, from WWII to the Opium Wars, is probably due to the developer's fear of touching "more sensitive" political matter. Nonetheless, I'm still a bit offended.

    What do you think?

    Still, I agree all his logs are mainly his life of trauma and illusions experienced over and over again.

    Pretty much a character living up to one design concept.

  • The Archive cut scene is a mental thing and it shows what's going on as the serum is taking over his mind slowly but surely, turning him into a feral monster. Talbot lives through the pain he has brought, he suffers from his guilt, and the ruin brought by his ambition.

    The pit of corpses is Talbot trying to escape the Entity, the flower that made him fall is an allusion to the addiction he developed which make him fall.

    It represents how Talbot is trying to gain control over his mind and how he is trying to escape the monster that is the Blight, but he is deeply buried and need help if he have a chance to be pulled out from the Blight.

  • My guess is that the true blight is another talbot grimes. The lore states that there is a multiverse, and who's to say the entity isn't playing favorites with talbot and making multiple blights?

  • @chieften333 said:

    My guess is that the true blight is another talbot grimes. The lore states that there is a multiverse, and who's to say the entity isn't playing favorites with talbot and making multiple blights?

    Blight form change to True Blight because the Cankers blossom within him, the Cankers turn into Pustulas during the Entity yearly blight but it dies after the event is over. The serum in Blight veins reacts during the event and turn him into True Blight, but he goes back to being normal Blight after event end like how it is with Pustulas. The Entity deal with the same thing each year.

  • It would be weird for this to be non-canon or another Talbolt, given that has never happened before and all of the archives have been about his journey, so it wouldn’t make much sense.

    @Gruo said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1696472#Comment_1696472

    Blight form change to True Blight because the Cankers blossom within him, the Cankers turn into Pustulas during the Entity yearly blight but it dies after the event is over. The serum in Blight veins reacts during the event and turn him into True Blight, but he goes back to being normal Blight after event end like how it is with Pustulas. The Entity deal with the same thing each year.


    The inconsistency is that we saw the events in which Talbolt transforms into the normal Blight, and they must have happened before, so it wouldn’t make sense to have him just revert to normal Blight when he has to become the normal Blight yet. He could regress back into a human, but I don’t think that I like Talbolt being in the void, becoming a Killer as True Blight, going back to a human and to the Void and then becoming a Killer again. Just feel redundant.

    As mentioned above, I think this is a mental illusion that shows him subjugating to the power of the Flower and the Entity, maybe he eventually becomes True Blight physically later, as it said in the description, due to an overdose of serum, but this is him succumbing to the need of the flower to become a killer.

    And the Blight can still think and act, even if he is mostly a drug-addict in a never ending high moment, because we know that he is experimenting with survivors, that he uses the cane to fool people and even in the True Blight descriptions, he question if he is under control of the Pustula now.

  • @Khorzad said:

    It would be weird for this to be non-canon or another Talbolt, given that has never happened before and all of the archives have been about his journey, so it wouldn’t make much sense.

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1696612#Comment_1696612

    The inconsistency is that we saw the events in which Talbolt transforms into the normal Blight, and they must have happened before, so it wouldn’t make sense to have him just revert to normal Blight when he has to become the normal Blight yet. He could regress back into a human, but I don’t think that I like Talbolt being in the void, becoming a Killer as True Blight, going back to a human and to the Void and then becoming a Killer again. Just feel redundant.

    As mentioned above, I think this is a mental illusion that shows him subjugating to the power of the Flower and the Entity, maybe he eventually becomes True Blight physically later, as it said in the description, due to an overdose of serum, but this is him succumbing to the need of the flower to become a killer.

    And the Blight can still think and act, even if he is mostly a drug-addict in a never ending high moment, because we know that he is experimenting with survivors, that he uses the cane to fool people and even in the True Blight descriptions, he question if he is under control of the Pustula now.

    I'm with you about the mental thing. Was explaining the physical changes because the Entity changes too during it is yearly blight and it make sense because the flower he is using is from the Entity.

    I see Talbot and Blight as different characters (other skins description point to Talbot real self being deeply buried in the Blight, which may explain what is happening in this tome). Talbot despite his faults, still had his humanity and still wanted to do good despite his obsession. Blight on the other hand show nothing of that, he is more of a crazed beast instead of a man and the way he behaves show that perfectly.

  • My theory is that he became the True Blight first, but it was a limited thing.

    After the Entity's Blight ended, the pustula had no more control over Talbot, but his unstable mind wanted to retain that power, so he started injecting himself with the serum in the hopes that he could regain that power, to no avail.

    Most of what was going on in Doors Unknown was a fever dream while the Entity toyed with him, working him into the Killer it wanted. The dragon, the monks, the pile of corpses, the withering flowers... all of it was the Entity's manipulation.

    @chieften333 said:

    My guess is that the true blight is another talbot grimes. The lore states that there is a multiverse, and who's to say the entity isn't playing favorites with talbot and making multiple blights?

    While there is a multiverse, the devs have also stated that there is only one of each character in the realms.

  • Would I simp for the entity, yes, yes I would...

  • So this is just my little theory so take it with a grain of salt


    But I think that all of Blight's skins are not Tablot, but another person that was injected with the serum

  • @TapeKnot said:

    Another thing is in the entries it says Talbot tears his eyes out, but in the video his eyes are still intact. Just how much of what happened was a fever dream and how much was real?

    As stated by other people the tearing his eyes out might just be an illusion or a fever dream however you also got to remember that The Entity can essentially respawn both survivors and Killers with all wounds and injuries they received removed.


    Hence why survivors could get killed and sacrificed in brutal ways and come back perfectly fine in one of the Dev streams they also stated then if by some miracle a killer were to be killed they would just respawn like a like a survivor would.

    This would also explain what happens to the blight mutations that Talbot inflicted on the other Killers The Entity could simply just respawn The Killers back to normal once its blight the cycle is over.

    The only killer retaining the mutations being blight as The Entity gives him a constant supply of serum