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Because everyone plays SWF and all killers quit
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Rockstar is secretive, with BHVR it feels like ######### just happens without rhyme or reason. They need to make another more detailed roadmap not just so the community knows whats going on but so they do too. It really wouldn't surprise me if they didnt have a roadmap for themselves and just randomly decided to do ######### that day. I think Almo actually said as much to some degree
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Ranks don't exists and is the killer 4kimg or are you just dying?
Again ranks don't really exist but if they do work properly you are in the best place possible. If you can't survive in red ranks (and are actually getting red or even purple teammates) i do encourage you to derank and experience the hell that is green and yellow ranks.
As a red rank survivor its not uncommon for me to get one legit baby killer, rank 20 1 perk killer a night also not uncommon to be paired with real baby survivors. Again im pretty sure ranks just don't exist
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I think the questions were actually mostly about them making a new, narrative driven game.
The "are you satisfied with the last chapter" was pretty redundant. I always do them but nothing ever changes so
And and course all the money hungry questions. For all the ones about legendary skins its not surprising none were about the price. I mean 10 for skins is already outrageous and the system FREE games with FREE updates use, so they knew they were giving everybody the finger when they started charging 15 for skins where they don't even bother to give them voices or god forbid changing Oni's kanabo or trappers traps. No too much work
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Doing gens is the only objective. Yes it is comparable to tunneling, and hence you see one of the fundamental problems if dbd. The devs cater to survivor and the survivor experience keeps getting worse
Lol im still jailed! Its been like a week. Hey @MandyTalk you gonna ban for me for tagging you? Just curious
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Hahhahahahahaha...oh wait you're serious?
No, no it will not be. Or maybe it will, im getting a lot of baby killers lately which theoretically means there aren't enough actual killer mains. I already switched to survivor main months ago and almost everyone i know has done the same or quit so they might be forced to actually balance the game soon enough. DS has let me win countless times when i should have died but im on board with killing it. Every game i run DS, BT, and SC (lowkey the most OP perk in the game tryhards are just dumb) and most people have a similar build. There are so many interesting perks like babysitter that will never be used because why would you not run BT? Why use ANY other support perk?
Destroy the survivor meta. Create diversity. Make killer less frustrating why is this so hard?
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This game was originally created with escaping being rare. This changed because they added SWF and never balanced the game around it even though it completely breaks the game. The result was the devs catering to "casually hardcore" (Aka people who only play dbd and aren't very good but like to win consistently) survivor playerbase and by extension the hardcore killers because you HAVE to be a hardcore killer to really play, especially now that even at rank 20 you will be matched with red ranks. I see brown rank killers all the ######### time.
The point is dbd is a bullshit game that was broken by the lack of will power to balance the game how it should have been all along. It 110% should go back to its casual roots because look at the game now. There are like 100 killer mains left and they're all sweat lords. Every game i get a tryhard or a literal baby, by catering to survivors they have made BOTH sides so much less fun then they could be and the toxic community that the devs have created don't even understand that.
I hate this game tbh its just every horror fans wet dream. ######### this game, they will probably never fix it its not worth playing. But they add like Pinhead or Sidney then see i have no choice, my love for the characters outweighs my hate for the game design. ######### Ash Williams, Laurie Strode, and Cheryl "god-slayer" Manson VS Ghostface on the Saw map????? Like holy ######### that is amazing it makes me want to play the game right now i just wish someone else was in charge of it because this is the holy grail of crossovers! It can survive on star power alone and has soooo much potential they just don't have the spine to upset survivor mains who spend 100s of dollars on cosmetics BUT THEYRE ALREADY PISSED BECAUSE THEY MADE KILLERS PLAY THE MOST UNFUN WAY POSSIBLE FOR A CHANCE TO WIN.
Man just put me in charge of this ######### ill take care of it.
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@Bumbus said:
I use BBQ on Hag for bloodpoints only and I'm perfectly fine with that. Without BBQ bp grind is disgusting.
BTW, post is a bait, OP is a troll.
Its probably not bait a lot of people are stupid and don't realize that BBQ helps them, theres a reason it gives BP. Its because even killers that dont get much use out of it and get lured away from the hook. You take away bbq, you get MORE camping from the remaining killer mains
Its for that reason that this is the one thing the devs will not listen to survivor mains on, they're like kids trying to burn themselves on the stove
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@Pulsar said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1879697#Comment_1879697
I wasn't camping, as I said.
Iirc, it was on Thompson House and the basement was in the house. Those two had completed the gen upstairs but got downed and taken to basement. I went to patrol gens and found the other two at the last gen, when they started sprinting towards basement. The one got to the stairs but the others died on hook.
If you were camping you could make a better argument for it. What you just said is they didnt move until you started to chase them, because you were camping the basement because every bubba camps the basement, and then killed themselves because they knew they were going to the basement. Lets say for a fact that monstrous shrine somehow fooled them and they would have made the save if it wasn't for that 4%......what the ######### would it matter you're bubba and theyre in the basement?
FYI it doesn't matter if you were camping, they assumed you were because you're bubba and you're using the basement. They weren't going because they assumed you were so they were trying to gen rush. Again, none of this has anything to do with monstrous shrine
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@Pig_Is_Pog said:
there not underpowered at all. they just have a different play style *cough cough slug* and win off there insane slug abilities. even people like otz, dowsey, tru3ta1ent, ohtofu ect put them in high a tier.
Do they? Im pretty sure ive heard Tru and Otz go on lengthy rants about how stupid they are. Actually Tofu too.
And he's right, that "Oh just slug" is not just stupid from a game design standpoint, its not even really true. Yeah they will do better slugging, but legion, nurse, oni, billy, bubba, wraith, even Ghostface and pig are way more effective at slugging. Yes Victor has the qualities that makes for a good slugger, mobility and stealth.....but he can be killed. Even when he hits. And his first hit is useless. And Once he dies you are stuck playing Charlotte who has no power other than being able to pick survivors up and put them on hooks which is the opposite of what you want to do since their power lies in slugging.
And keep in mind you made the BEST argument for them. That is just embarrassing for the devs. I can't even remember last time ive seen the twins, they died even faster than Blight. Matter fact i got curious at looked otz last twins video was called "my first twins game" a month ago. Tofu last twins video was also a month ago. Tru does play them once a week.....like he does every killer. I looked up Dowsey even tho i never heard of him and most of his newest videos are about the twins.....they're also from a month ago. Maybe he streams more like tru but im seeing a clear pattern here that says the twins gimmick wore off about a month ago
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@Pulsar said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1879686#Comment_1879686
They had one gen left and the two on hook had Adrenaline, so I assume they were banking on that.
I had chased them off the gen when they started heading for basement.
To be honest, I wasn't sure how they misjudged it so badly myself. All I know is that, had Monstrous Shrine not been on my build, they would've gotten to the basement in time.
As added context, I was playing a poor man's basement Bubba with Monstrous, Agitation, Mad Grit and Iron Grasp.
Ok......so they didn't misjudge anything they just didn't want to kill themselves because you are leatherface, camping the basement. Unless you were across the map they weren't going in unless it was to just give up, which is probably why they went down there at all
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Idk how you have anxiety as a survivor. I mean i stopped playing killer like a lot of people because of the bullshit but as survivor? Even if you do terrible there's still a high chance of you escaping because you have 3 other people and the only real objective is to do gens, aka hold one button and sometimes click another. It takes almost no skill at all is the most valuable thing you can contribute to the game
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@Pulsar said:
The 4-man I played against misjudged the amount of time their teammates had left on basement hook and it got them killed.
There was 1 gen left...so Monstrous Shrine did win me a game.
I was waiting for someone to try and tell a story about how monstrous Shrine did anything. I am 100% positive that Monstrous shrine had no effect on that situation it was the fact you were camping the basement. How would a 4 man swf misjudge the amount of time they had? Were they not on comms? You can still see the bar. I mean i suppose if they were just going off of pure memory......monstrous shrine still did not do ######### lol
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Survivor has a much lower skill cap than killer and all survivors are the same while all killers are different and harder to play. I don't know how to balance it but its def not hours especially because there's a good handful of people who have like 5000 hours and counting and obviously mostly survivors mains. They would have virtually no killers in their pool, i mean really the same can be said about any skill level which is why im still occasionally matched with rank 20 killers who probably quit after the game we play because my random teammates 100% of the time will bully them because they have small brains and dont associate their behavior with the 10 minutes they will wait for the next match.
At this point just make killers NPCs tbh
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@SilentPill said:
Lol. It’s not PC players fault that console framerate is terrible. I tried DBD on console and was back to PC within a few days
Its actually not consoles fault the framerates are terrible either its behaviours. It's actually funny i thought originally the amount of twitchy movement a mouse and keyboard allows would give PC survivors a massive advantage, which it does but more importantly they can just phase through hits. I watch PC survivors not get hit in the middle of vaulting all the time, but i will get hit on the other side a couple feet away everytime.....unless a switch player then i magically get PC magic abilities
Anyway this elitist bullshit brings up a good point, you should be able to opt out of PC/Console crossplay. Crossplay only for xbox, playstation, and switch (because they need it, i tried playing on my switch without crossplay and it was half an hour to get a survivor game) of course the same PC elitist will be against this because the que times for survivor WITH crossplay are ######### but they will literally make the case time and time again why there shouldn't be crossplay with consoles.
Until they figure out how to stop making killer mains quit though its probably out of the question. If only we had a collective of players who were partnered with the devs and played the game for a living to give their opinions. Maybe a Spaniard or Brit or even an American. Too bad nothing like that exists
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You know if you lead with "im tired of having to suicide on hook because i can't beat X killer" it kind of invalidates the whole point of the post.
The first step to counterplay would be to stop sabotaging the team and actually play against the killer so you can learn....wait ######### am i talking about? Im sorry i forgot survivor was supposed to be a cake walk and all killers should be played against exactly the same. They should just take away her dumbass phasing and make her an M1 killer. She would be much more fun to play against then
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You tryin to enjoy killer? Why you little, how many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man! You aren't supposed to enjoy killer you're supposed to be entertaining for survivors! When they T bag at the exit gate you sit there and you watch! And when they send you hate mail you thank them for the pleasure!
Trying to enjoy killer, the hell is wrong with you?
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@chieften333 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1877499#Comment_1877499
Or he's a fan of my chemical romance... I'll just see myself out.
Being emo, like most things, gets you banned on the forums.
Now watch me get banned for saying this lol
Oh damn that was OP too. This guy?
We really need a fan run forum.....
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I think Clown is just a Tool fan
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Why would you say something so controversial and yet so true?
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@Chchchcheryl said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1875576#Comment_1875576
Yeah they've been semi-generous, but the tank tops, although in the original SH3 game (they also removed some really nice details from the tops), also had jeans and the God Of Thunder top had different coloured hair and tattooed arms, there are also so many outfits we could've possibly gotten in the last 3/4 years, but Konami wasn't feeling generous with numbers when the contract was made. Plus Konami are always weirdly specific, they may be one of the more generous licenses but that doesn't mean they aren't still stingy, just less so that Nightmare On Elm Street's holders and the like
No, BHVR choose not to make those outfits. You're telling me Konami said "go crazy, make any outfits you want. Of you want Lisa and Cheryl too? Go ahead. Oh but those tank tops, yeah just get real ######### lazy on them and make sure they ARENT like in the game."
I know for a fact that's true, i mean just look at Cheryl herself, Konami obviously doesn't care. Actually you know what I just remembered? We already know that Konami let them use ANYTHING they want because the devs said so when they explained why they picked a map from 1, killer from 2, and survivor from 3. I will be the first to say ######### Konami, but all this dumb ######### isn't Konami's fault they just want money its BHVR who also want money....for the least about of work.
Im also reminded that Konami is im fact not stingy with licensing as Pyramid Head has been whored out every which way, they also have no problem dishing out castlevania stuff. They're notoriously stupid but have absolutely no respect for their brands, pachinko machines not withstanding
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They said because its really hard because its been so much time.....but they did it with PC which is the oldest platform. They're also doing it with Switch, which should realistically be the hardest one to pull off.
There's no good answers but hopefully it will come soon. I would actually play on switch if i had cross progression with Xbox.
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@Chchchcheryl said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1872617#Comment_1872617
Konami are usually really stingy with licensing and stuff like that so I just assumed they didn't include it with the contract
I'm gutted about all of the tank tops missing details including the different hair colours they came with, and the tattoos as well as the jeans!
But they have literally been THE most generous licenses. They allowed them to write lore post SH3, they gave her a sweater. For FREE, a sweater that can be worn with her default skirt and head, just like the tank tops. Her only outfit from the game is the only one that can be changed. Think about that, how would their contract permit changing her official outfits but not the ones that BHVR created? Or even better yet not allowing her official outfits to be worn as in the game but mixed with her skirt as is the case with the tank tops. And remember when Leatherfaces reskin came out and it was locked for no reason? That changed after a couple of days. No matter how you look at it the only way this is Konami's fault is if they were being absurdly specific only over things that they do not own
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@Chchchcheryl said:
We NEED a princess heather heart outfit
BHVR and Konami really missed out on a gold mine forgetting this one
I dont think konami even knows what the game is and just told BHVR they can have whatever. They've been extremely generous and allow you to change Cheryls in game outfit with a free sweater or tank tops from the game...tank tops she wore with jeans in the game. And her custom outfits that BHVR created are locked, same with PH.
I just don't see how this could possibly be Konami's fault (and they're normally very at fault!) Its BHVR being stupid. With the amount of freedom Konami has given im positive they could get this outfit but BHVR doesn't want it. Probably thinks "too silly" like JokeFace. Meanwhile; Nea
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Its because most of it doesn't matter and they know it. There's just a 101 different variables, thats why nurse has the lowest kill rate and Freddy C tier Kruger has the highest. It says nothing about the killers because you need the context of nurse being really hard to play and people killing themselves against Freddy. Speaking of suicide our toxic community does that a lot, but stats cant show that context. The only thing stats would really show us is the massive power divide with SWF and they already acknowledged its a problem and that they'll never fix it because SOMEONE lacks the spine to actually tackle these problems out of fear of upsetting survivor mains
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The devs said they would change it but then realized it would make the game better so they just started nerfing killer to make both sides less fun
Very good game direction
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Cheryl can't even wear jeans with a tank top
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@VLight said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1859283#Comment_1859283
Or maybe, consider the fact that people don't just teabag to ruin your fun or to "mask insecurities in the real world". Kind of contradictory, since I feel the people who get really mad at tea-bagging are those who feel that they are entitled to not feel "bullied" as the "big bad Killer". Which one is insecure then? It's a video game, not real life. Just because someone acts a certain way in a video game, doesn't mean they act like that in real life. Teabaggers aren't evil, they're just messing around in a video game. Obviously, there are exceptions, and the moment it starts escalating to insults and slurs in the end game chat, then that's when toxicity becomes an issue.
"Mom, this Survivor tea-bagged me on Dead by Daylight, he's an evil person that's insecure! I call him toxic even though I'm the one making assumptions about his personal life, as if I am in any position to do so!"
Im not reading this because you obviously didn't read my post and it looks like you just being butthurt. I KNOW you're a toxic scumbag i don't care, im not here to tell you to change or get a life or any of that. Im asking you to use that smooth brain of yours and ask yourself would you rather
A. Look like a dumbass and fluidly T bag at the exit gate as you do every game i imagine
OR
B. Have actual taunts like giving the middle finger. You would be MORE toxic really, you would be able to literally tell the killer to go ######### themselves without having to type up any messages, which you'll probably do anyway.
Im assuming all the toxic ######### just didnt read the post and jumped to defend the one thing they have in life because if they really REALLY would die on the hill of having tbagging maintained as opposed to less cringy taunts then this community is even worse than i thought
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@Grandpa_Crack_Pipe said:
Imagine being this guy
Being the guy that doesnt read the post and just gets triggered at random posts titles as you smoking on that crack pipe?
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@xEcoLog1cDuk3Xx said:
I'm pretty sure there's a certain person of power here on these forums that surrounds themselves with a toxic content creator and community. Ehh... probably an irrelivent topic.
I agree with this post, have my upvote.
Which content creator? Noob and Monto were apparently blacklisted for being toxic which is absurd
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@MrsGhostface said:
Killers can slap survivors on hook, I see it happen most games. Stop playing victim.
Did you not read the post? Im asking for this
@The_Krapper said:
Just give me a middle finger emote and I'll be a satisfied man , shut up and take my money
Asking for a middle finger emote is playing victim? Because i would rather have immersive taunts than dumbass fluid t bagging?
This is the ######### i mean, the community can't be saved i accept that. So if you're going to embrace toxicity why can't it be immersive? Why most this game remain a complete joke and then have the ######### AUDACITY to say JokeFace cant be added because it would break immersion. I played DBD today and literally held ghostface back until he had to hit me and activate my BT, killers are already jokes man damn
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@RandDBD said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1859283#Comment_1859283
If you get that upset because of tbagging then it does work on you. I play killer and whenever I see a survivor excessively tbagging and clicking, I know what he's trying to do, I rather go for the weak link and I'll get to that one eventually, unless he DCs, now that's the actual toxic action.
so just playing killer is toxic not actually being toxic 😂
What are these forums! What is this big brain rank 20 advice! What are you even talking about! I mean at least that made me laugh, im scratching my head at most the triggered people on this dumbass post but just the absurdity of that made me laugh lol.
Hey guys, you know you should defend gens! And don't chase people that T bag their scary!
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@th3 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1859312#Comment_1859312
"Don't improve the t baggimg animations you absolute middle schoolers, add TAUNTS. I mean they very clearly flat out don't care about the cess pool the community has become so why not enable them to at least have taunts that aren't so immersion breaking? The fluid animation has now made t bagging look worse because what the [BAD WORD] are actually doing, its so stupid! Now that they're actively supporting toxicity just let survivors give the finger"
k
Yeah.....was there supposed to be a point to you reposting that other than showing everyone how butthurt you get over slight comedic criticism of a multi million dollar video game? One of i had to guess you were spending a good chunk of change on
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@th3 said:
Overreacting much. Why are people so sensitive. They definitely had Tea bagging in mind when reworking animations to be up to date. These forums are a cesspool of whiners.
You're the one whining not me.
@NomiNomad said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1859241#Comment_1859241
What were they supposed to do? Update every animation except standing from crouching, and vice versa? If they made the crouching and standing animations smoother only for people to T-Bag better, they wouldn't have put time into other animations. Tbagging is just an unfortunate side effect of multiplayer games that allow you to crouch.
It's fine to say the Dev's shouldn't have talked about t-bagging in a "satisfying" way but saying the only reason they updated animations is to make the game more toxic is just straight up fallacy.
Hey you know i should have made this clear when you came here the first time and didn't know what you were talking about, but this conversation is for people who know what they're talking about. Now don't fret all you have to do is go watch the video to actually get the context.
Like obviously even in as something as stupid as this i expected white knights to come and defend the oh so fragile honor of this game, but i thought i would get off easily because surely the people that dedicate 1000s of hours to this game AND forum to defend it actually watch the dev updates. Im starting to think you guys don't even like the ######### game you just like this forum
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@RandDBD said:
We are only missing killer taunts to be honest. I don't mind the tbagging, it kinda adds to the mind games, some killers just can't stand being tbagged and that makes them lose the game
I hate to break it you megamind but no, T bagging is not mind gaming. Is that really the logic of toxic players? Is that the purpose of screaming the N word into the mic in every FPS? To throw people off their game 😂
I always thought it was to mask insecurities in the real world by being an ######### in a world you can control.
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@NomiNomad said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1858856#Comment_1858856
Fair enough, I just saw it as more of a joke.
It wasn't a joke....because they specifically worked to make sure the transition between crouching and standing was fluid to t bag. I mean what did they do it ironically lol. At that point whats even the joke, that we still put up with their bullshit?
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@freddymybae said:
This game is a joke
Then they could at least make it funny
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I only got on recently to throw away 3 dollars for an oni skin. The new mid chapter looks great but doesn't solve any of my problems with killer just being unfair and survivor just being boring. They for sure know survivor is boring though and i they hinted that they're working for....something.
If only they added Pyramidheads cage skill check system to the second hook state. Im at the point where im not even bothering to spam A unless its like the end of the game
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This whole tread is just proof that its stupid they don't have it as a hud option
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@Moundshroud said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1848816#Comment_1848816
Fun is what YOU bring into the game. I have fun in every match. If you aren't, that is on you.
Then your opinion has absolutely no weight because you'll be satisfied with anything
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Because killer is so unfair. I question why they play at all though. This game is in desperate need of a new director tbh
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I don't think it was bait its just proof of how incompetent the games direction is. They cater to survivor mains when the game is already survivor sided by the mer inclusion of SWF, a feature that was never meant to be in the game....and also never adapted around for some reason? Even though they have acknowledged it many times and say they want to change to the game to even the playing field of solo vs swf and balance the game around that. That was years ago. Instead they keep nerfing dumb ######### that they SAID wasn't a problem (Moris and Billy probably being the most headassed)
The result is a lot less killers and a lot more toxic killers. Its not absurd to wait 10 minutes for a survivor game just to be camped and tunneled because they have dumbass perks like DS that encourage tunneling, the game is just so unfair as killer that if you want to do well you have you can't just ######### around like survivor unless the survivors.
So yeah this post is cringe but if you take the rage out its clear that it stems from their complete ignorance of killer (something shared by MOST of the community as most people only play survivor, their biggest failure) and them reaping the rewards of the devs constantly making survivor easier, even tho it never needed to be easier because in a fair game against average players survivors will still have the advantage, the only thing they did was create MORE unfair games by constantly punishing killers.
MAYBE survivor doesn't need to be easier, maybe it needs to be more FUN. I don't understand how they can be so one sided and still manage to make that side almost as miserable as the side they treat like NPCs
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Dbd isn't "competitive" legitimately anyone can reach rank 1 survivor and survivors are constantly buff. You want to curve it, facecamp and tunnel. God the devs are good
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Survivor mains are constantly crying
1. Because the devs will give us what we want if we cry long enough
2. The devs FOOLISHLY listen to "them". The game is boring, they understand this and solved it by created some killers that are fun to vs....but theyre so weak no one uses them. Devs, this game is TOXIC. Its your fault but the solution is not to keep going down the same path, killer is frustrating and unfair and survivor is frustrating, unfair, and BORING because they force killers to play in the most boring way possible.
And i say Devs but they all legitimately seem to hate the game too! If only we had like a game director or something to do a pretty good job and keep the game on an incline in quality
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@Almo said:
You earn NOED's effect by playing with three perks during the beginning and middle of the match.
If the Survivors do gens too fast for you and you get them, it's their fault; they had time to do totems.
If you keep so much pressure on that they don't have time to do totems, you're still earning it.
If the Survivors try to unhook someone while exposed by NOED, that is also their fault.
Ordinarily, a Killer shouldn't get more than one kill from NOED.
You're assuming that's because survivors will leave and not try to sabo and bodyblock
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Oh if that bothered you i hope you never play killer lol
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@Killbutton said:
Been playing for a while now, and this is the first time I've had an issue with an add-on; ran into it playing survivor with a couple friends. Like, I get it's an add-o n they'll use up after the match, and it's kinda balanced in that Myers can't go past tier 1...but for that one match, survivors are in hell. Any ideas on how to counter jumpscare Myers would be greatly appreciated, because it's really aggravating me a purple add-on can make such a difference.
Yeah. Look around.
I dont get posts like this, i mean you literally had one game where you lost and are like "this is living hell" even though he's weaker than with the mirror than he is in base form.
Luckily for you tho this dbd and even the most petty of killer complaints have an answer, what if i told you there existed a perk that completely counters all stealth killers?
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@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1846870#Comment_1846870
which advice did i ask? Is me saying I shouldn’t depip and get no bp for being facecamped me asking for advice?
Dude you don't even know what you posted you were so mad lol.
Like on one hand yeah our community looks bad because of the rage posts, but at a point the devs gotta ask themselves if maybe they could be handling the game a little better
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Why are you coming at people giving you the correct advice lol.
Like what do you want, people to tell you a secret countering method? Alright fine. DS, BT, DH and a 4 man swf with some toolboxes. You'll never lose again, congrats
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@xEa said:
Nobody? People keep saying Twins are weak so there must be something to survive them, even when playing solo.
They're realistically probably the weakest in the game, i mean charlotte has no power and you can kill victor, who can only hurt you with his little pounce that he can't hit 9/10 times in a jungle gym
Posts like this piss me off because i NEVER see the twins. Maybe theyre all in low ranks, but im pretty regularly matched against baby killers anyway so where tf are they all hiding?