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@CodeDB said:
I don't think starting another discussion is going to get you a different answer.
This one makes even less sense though. What is the benefit of disconnecting in your scenario? You're on death hook, about to be downed by the killer, so whether you disconnect or get downed and hooked, you're out of the game. What difference does it make other than protecting your ego?disconnecting at any moment is just dumb thing.. before death hook its griefing and at death hook it's just dumb
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i only saw them disconnecting because they got hooked first.. one hook is enough for most of those… !#%$&@
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@alpha5 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3863864#Comment_3863864
Yes, I know. Like 5k BP and apparently a massive ego boost. My point is you can earn a lot more BP in that time. I can't offer you a replacement for the boost though.
If you are still waiting for an argument against 4k-slugging I suggest you read up on empathy. The way it plays out is stupid. Which you troll already know, too.
oh ego boost.. that's what makes you mad.. no i won't get more points in that time XD and you know that too but again you pretend it's different because you have to prove your point.
i'm talking with you so i only care if YOU have any argument. if you can't form any argument it means you rly have no idea what you're talking about. at this point you are the only one trolling here.. you're trying to prove you're right without giving any argument, that's not how discussion work. -
@Firellius said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3863863#Comment_3863863
Maybe you could elucidate us, o great and wise Berienn, since none of us know as much about the game as you and your remarkable…
Uh…
25 days of service.
wait. you think that your time on this forum is prove of idk your knowledge about game? XD is this joke?
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bone chill is pretty boring if you play it like normal game. to not get bored you have to play like you're 10yo in deep snow XD
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@alpha5 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3863501#Comment_3863501
You still didn't tell me why the 4th survivor is worth >4min which is about half the time to get 3-4 new kills and why the slug deserves to wait for you to get it.
still waiting for any argument against slugging for 4k.. you know exactly what's the prize for killing everyone, you just pretend there's no reward.
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@Firellius said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3863586#Comment_3863586
How're you going to run into a camper as a killer? Survivors can't camp.
oh i see you don't even know what camper means… not surprising. try again
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@Rulebreaker said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3863577#Comment_3863577
So are we talking about slugging for the 4k or 2 survivors up and hiding? Both bad as we've previously stated to Prometheus and yet there's differences. Do we need to spell it out again or want to read back some posts?
hook stages takes 70s unless you give up?
And it's still quicker than bleeding out. Tell us which one of these is the longest in seconds: 10, 70, 140, 240. If you picked 240 congratulations, you picked how long it takes for the full bleed out. Meanwhile two of the other ones can be shortened and 1 is basically negligible (10 is roughly death hook aka the dying animation, 70 is roughly second hook, 140 if you never hooked the 3rd). And we suppose we should point out the obvious that yes it's stalling and taking longer by virtue of BEING longer in actual time measurements. Your stalling to try and get a 4k, but it is stalling unless you know for sure where that last survivor is.
oh ok..
If that's truly the best you can think of then you obviously don't understand how others think. Or just want to try and make us look bad. Hard to tell. Also:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/JXYF4MSN9ZIP/screenshot-20241230-152545.png
Sharing has never worked so well in our favor before.
how am i guaranteed 4k?
We suppose you would normally have a point that we didn't explicitly say, but on the other hand, you've spouted nonsense and harsh language already so we're giving ourselves a pass.
Many slug for the 4k to ya know GET the 4k, but since it doesn't actually increase the chance of getting the 4k under most circumstances if the survivor actually hides it out, it's not guaranteed. Meaning it's as effective as hooking that 3rd to begin with but with the "benefit" of wasting all the extra time.
topic is about slugging but you changed it ;)
no survivor would bleed out for 4 minutes if they didnt crawl ;) not my fault you can't sit in one place since you can't do anything anyway. take that L and go for another game, your choice and 4 minutes waiting is your reward.
ok so its not guaranteed and you're just liar, making some stories to prove your point and you fail again and again. no, hooking 3rd is not as effective and you know that but you still choose to ignore… no surprise -
@TheSubstitute said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3863579#Comment_3863579
If you don't understand how movement speed matters with a mechanic where your chance of success is greater the more ground you cover it's kind of pointless to continue a discussion.
play as killer until you meet campers… then come back to talk again.
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@ratcoffee said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3863572#Comment_3863572
I've seen maybe 10 killers slug for the 4k in my ~1,200 hours on survivor. Maybe 20-30 if we include the ones where the 4th survivor was right there. I think you're the exception here.
I don't think slugging is a problem because it's ubiquitous(because it's not), i think it's a problem because it's not engaging
maybe if become more skilled i won't have to slug but before it happen i will to get points faster or just to punish greedy survivors, or just toxic like one time i slugged whole team because they didn't give me choice with their builds.. its still devs fault for creating matchmaking that make you (newbie killer) play against bully squad.
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@TheSubstitute said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3863566#Comment_3863566
So there's no issue with hiding for the Hatch with two survivors then since Killers have Spies in the Shadows and multiple aura reading perks and add-ons?
you too have aura reading perks you know that? XD and i never said hiding is issue, all i say is that you all survivor mains are whining because you're just mad at killers for slugging to get 4k
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@Rulebreaker said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3863501#Comment_3863501
Well others have explained it but if you so desperately want to hear it from us:
- It stalls out the game. The killer is leaving the 3rd to bleed out to "look" for the 4th thereby increasing the time it takes that 3rd to die a vast majority of the time. If the killer is "looking" for the 4th while keeping eyes on the slug, then the most reasonable course is for that 4th to hide and wait for the bleed. What happens then? Survivor hides, hatch spawns and both the killer and 4th are where they would have been 4ish minutes ago if the killer killed the 3rd.
- In most cases its pointless to a majority. While Prometheus did have a point that its up to the killer for the "reason" to be good enough, many here including us, feel these reasons aren't as the killer has effectively won by practically all metrics. (Slugger: "Must have the 4k" Us: "Why?" S: "points" U:"your only getting a smidge more at best and losing points at worst if that guy bleeds out" S:"MMR!" U:"you mean that invisible number that was already going up if you caught 3? Why's it mater if it goes up slightly this round?" S: "cause they hid all game" U:"how do you know if they hid all game? Maybe you just kept missing them, maybe they did work but actually we're able to avoid you?" )
- Your not guaranteed the 4k anyway. Slight repeat of the above but slugging for the 4k doesn't mean your going to get it. Hatch spawns at survivors feet when the 3rd dies, outsmarting the killer and getting a door, finding a key in a box, etc. This then made the whole stalling worthless.
its 4 minutes.. if you think that's stalling then what you say about hiding for much longer ?? and you understand that hook stages takes 70s unless you give up? it only takes longer for 3rd guy to die, it's not stalling XD the game is not longer because of that.
oh ok.. you clearly never played killer or doesn't understand at all how it is
how am i guaranteed 4k??xDDD you didn't explain how am i guaranteed 4k anyway. that's a lot of … nothing, you actually said nothing XD GOOD JOB -
@upsideinsanity said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3863511#Comment_3863511
Since you are clearly a killer main, you should know what the drop key is. You really think a survivor slugged can pick themselves up, heal AND find the hatch before the killer (who moves faster and does not need to worry about being spotted) can? This does not count for the killer seeing the slug picking themselves up and instantly leaving what was the 4th survivor to go after the previous slug. Now you talk about using self-care to heal at THIRTY-FIVE% speed aka over 45 seconds. And should the killer just decide to hook the 4th survivor (which they almost never do), you have to take time into account all while trying to get around the killer seeing/hearing you. Yup, that seems like a very viable solution.
i play both sides. ye i think they can… im barely average survivor and killer and i can do this, i already did few times.. unless killer i much more skilled you can still win the game even without healing. all you need is wait for killer go look for 4th guy and do what 4th tried, hide, wait, run and pray.
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@ratcoffee said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3863502#Comment_3863502
According to nightlight, 2/3 of the games that end in at least a 3k, end in a 4k specifically. That suggests that the killer has a significant advantage searching for hatch
i rarely find hatch before 4th guy if i make that mistake and kill 3rd instantly instead of slugging for few minutes. when i slug 3rd guy i win with 4 kills, not every time ofc but mostly. and i could bet that most 4k games are won by slugging 3rd guy.
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@TheSubstitute said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3863502#Comment_3863502
That would only be an accurate statement if Killers and Survivors moved at the same rate and had the same conditions. Every player, regardless of role, can learn the spawn locations. However, the Killer player moves faster and doesn't have to avoid being spotted. That allows the Killer player to check out the most likely spawn locations faster and more efficiently than the Survivor player and to cover more ground. The Survivor not only moves slower but has to frequently stop in order to not be seen by the Killer. As the Killer can check more spawn points and search the map faster than the Survivor it favours the Killer role.
no.. movement speed doesn't matter, you still can't predict where hatch appears. it can spawn righ behind you or next to killer's location so how movement speed matter?
ok nvm …. here's situation. you hide in a locker, on the other side of map i hook 3rd guy, he dies instantly because it was his 3rd hook. but you can get out of locker the moment you saw i picked 3rd guy so you have advantage already because you can start moving away from me or towards me, but i can't because i have to hook that guy so you won't cry about slugging… you have few seconds to start looking for hatch or just change place but i can start moving only when 3rd is hooked. ofc you won't find hatch before 3rd guy dies but it doesn't matter because you can already start moving because you know where i am and i don't know where are you or even if i knew you have time to move away from that place. -
@TheSubstitute said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3863504#Comment_3863504
That's not accurate. If you would like to say UB is an acceptable counter to slugging the second last survivor for the 4K then it's just as acceptable to say that the existence of Spies in the Shadows and the plethora of aura reading perks justifies two survivors hiding out for Hatch. The Killer role overall has more tools to deal with two Survivors hiding than Survivors have to deal with slugging for the 4K. In reality, neither slugging for the 4K or hiding out for Hatch are acceptable as both are based around circumventing normal game mechanics. The Killer should just hook the third survivor and move on just as in the case of the two hiding Survivors they should try to complete the gens.
In regards to stunning the Killer could respect the pallet. That might not be the best move as it can save time in many situations to just eat the stun so you can destroy the pallet and whittle down the survivors' resources and set up for the 4K.
xD so why do you think unbreakable exist?? because what i see for you it's useless
there is mechanic and there is counter to that mechanic. that's how the game is. you have pallets and windows to escape killer, killer have perks to automatically destroy pallet after being stunned and perk to block windows after using them.. killer can put you down and slug, you can get up without help and more, you can blind killer so killer can use perk to block blindness. but you can stun killer and killer CAN'T counter it, can't block it.
the only person in game that can respect or not respect pallet is survivor. pallets are yours, not killer's… oh and i can say the same to you.. just EAT that slug lol or just die with some honor instead of whining on forum how bad slugging is lol.. just take the L and go next game. this kind of logic can be always used against you beacuse it's dumb logic. take the L and play another game. -
@upsideinsanity said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3863504#Comment_3863504
You cant counter stuns???? So respecting pallets isn't a thing?
If you wanna go that route and complain about a survivor's one line of defense, lets talk about "Bill's perk" aka unbreakable which has a one time use vs killer perks like Enduring, Spirit Fury or Nemesis which are active all game and used more than once. Or, you just respect pallets. And if youre afraid of those pesky little flashlights, there is Franklins or Lightborn.
and why would you use unbreakable before endgame?? i literally compared lack of counter to existing counter because one is in your favour but you talk only when its against survivor even tho you can counter slugging xD. u can literally use unbreakable, hide or heal and hide and wait until killer kills 4th guy so now you can try to escape through hatch. is that so difficult for you to do? you can even heal yourself without med kit because there is perk from ….. FREE survivor. WOOOOW you can get up, heal yourself, hide and wait for hatch but no you will whine how bad is slugging for 4k, it's not bad.. slugging for 4k is strategy just like hiding like a coward and waiting for hatch.
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he can scan map.. that's all because other abilities are add-ons and he doesn't have any kind of slow, his only power is madness and short range shock to prevent surv from using pallet or window but when using ability doc is slowed down a lot. he is easy to play, harder to master and he needs good perks to win game by game
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that's griefing and it should be bannable every time.
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@TheSubstitute said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3863375#Comment_3863375
Slugging strategically is an intended mechanic. Slugging for the 4K is not heavily incentivized. You can make the argument that it helps with pips if it's the second last survivor but, BP wise, playtime wise and most likely pip wise as well over the long term, hooking the second last survivor and moving on to the next Hatch is the best move with the short queue times. This is especially true as the Hatch search favours the Killer over the Survivor as the Killer covers ground more quickly and doesn't have to stop to hide.
None of the tome challenges mention slugging specifically. The only 4K challenge that I can recall off the top of my head that sets a specific sacrifice condition (aside from with these perks) is the Trapper basement challenge which was an early tome and never repeated (implying BHVR learned from this). The sacrifice for the 4K implies hooks as that is how the game is designed.
The Last Survivor Standing playtest where UB was basekit also shows BHVR has been thinking about how to correct this for years.
Slugging for the 4K is definitely not intended behaviour and, with the upswing making it a problem just as the Erupting Call of Overbrine meta did with 3 genning, BHVR will act to curb the worst abuses in time.
slugging for 4k is strategy too you know? and you can use bill's perk to get up when killer is looking for 4th guy..it's only your choice to not use it.
maybe we should talk about how killers CAN'T counter any kind of stun? oh wait, thats in survivors favour so noone talk about it… people here only whine if something is not in survivor favour even tho they can counter it FOR FREE without using real money. -
@TheSubstitute said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3863404#Comment_3863404
That's denying reality to say that Hatch doesn't favour Killer. The reality is the majority of time the Killer closes the Hatch.
As well, looking at BP earned over multiple matches shows there is overall more BP earned simply by going to a new match as opposed to a small amount in one category you get more BP due to events triggering in all 4 categories. The math simply doesn't support any of your statements. The only statement with any validity to it is that for adepts slugging the second last survivor to search for the last gives a greater chance of getting the achievement. That still ignores, however, that you're still wasting another person's time and anyone with decent sportsmanship wouldn't do it.
but you understand that hatch spawn is random so it doesn't favour anyone unless offering is used? killer closes hatch because 4th surv didn't even try to move until hatch was already open, it's choice to not look for hatch and stay in locker… in every other case it's killer's luck if they close before you
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@Rulebreaker said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3863164#Comment_3863164
You realize that there's been multiple responses to slugging for the 4k from a lot of people and that you haven't really countered any of them other than hurl insults or tantrums correct?
im talking with YOU and YOU don't have any argument against slugging for 4k.
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@vBlossom_ said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/435685/why-do-killers-think-they-always-losing
- Abuse some kind of perk combo (CoB+Eruption+Overcharge)
- 4k after 4k after 4k.
- MMR goes up.
- You are paired against good survivors with a lot of hours.
- Busted perk combo is nerfed.
- "omg this game is so survivor sided killers just have to tunnel and slug every game"
then buy doctor XD.. when i bought him i played only few times as wraith, hillbilly and huntress. first few games wherre terrible obviously but after this i started to understand how to play him and after next few won and lost games game wanted me to play against full team of skilled survs with irritating builds, body blocking etc… and since then (idk 5-6 months ago) i barelly played doctor but when i play legion it's almost every time 4kills without slugging for that last kill. i don't even think there is something like mmr, matchmaking is garbage
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@Oputeeva said:
wdym? game is killer sided, so if you don't get 4k each match then it's a problem that devs should solve? literally killer handholding post
i woulnd't say that game is sided, maps are for sure but game itself?? naah. i played as solo surv, i played with 1,2 or 3 friends, i played as killer and i only see that maps are sided. i very often lose games wih max 2 kills as killer on closed maps but i often get 4k on open maps. the real problem is with matchmaking. after literally few games on killer i bought doctor. i played with games ( 0 skill so i lost or got 2-3 kills) and since then game wants me to play against full team of tryhards with most irritating builds, body blocking, sabotagin hooks, mines, grenades, flashlight saves etc. BUT when i play legion (oh god i hate this killer) i don't remember getting less than 3 kills, mostly 4 kills without slugging for 4k. matchaking is making you feel like the game is sided. i got same treatment as solo surv, almost every game against very skilled killer often with aura reading or gen regressing builds.
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disconnecting should be somehow bannable like in pretty much every multiplayer game but only after devs repair game so it won't randomly crash or disconnect players
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@TheSubstitute said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3863003#Comment_3863003
There has to be something to actually discuss and the other side has to use critical thinking for any discussion to be valuable. As an example, you called me a 'baby survivor'. Looking at my profile for half a second would show I have over 2,500 posts. If you were curious enough to check my join date you would see I joined in 2021. Even the most rudimentary usage of critical thinking would piece together that the chance I joined the forums to comment extensively on a game I don't play or barely play and kept it at it for 4 years is pretty much nil.
There also has to be something of substance in order to respond. Your argument doesn't have that.
I suspect the only person here that is mad is you due to your responses since you don't want to confront that you support play styles, and most likely engage in them, that are more toxic than the exit gate teabaggers. I would suggest, for your peace of mind, that you either accept that you're that toxic while gaming and not care or to stop slugging for the 4K. It's not like BHVR is going to punish either slugging for the 4K (or exit gate teabaggers for that matter) either way and right now you're just using stock responses instead of actually making any real arguments of your own.
If you do say something original or that addresses any points made and isn't a rehashed stock point that's already been debunked multiple times in this thread I'll respond. But, if not, have a good day.
you compared teabagging to slugging one guy for max 4 minutes to get 4 kills and you dare talking about critical thinking…THINKING. u kidding? and now youre pretending like it wasn;t you XD like you proved something, proved im wrong, used actual argument. but you never did. it's pure ignorance what you did with that teabagging so now you're trying to ridicule me. you still have 0 argument, YOU turned this disscussion personal beacuse you have no arguments against slugging for 4k.
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@Firellius said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3862366#Comment_3862366
there is absolutely no reason for killers to let 4th guy escape
I don't understand this bit either…
Killing the third survivor does not guarantee an escape to the fourth. Slugging the third survivor also doesn't guarantee the fourth one dies.
Slugging the third is really just wasting time.
i never said it guarantee but he got advantage.. they can cooperate 3rd and 4th and (if offering for hatch was used) 3rd guy can sacrifice himself away from hatch location and 4th can wait nearby. i have 0 chance to get last guy but if i slug 3rd i have the same chance as without offering because if i find him before 3rd dies i win, otherwise its race and with my luck 9/10 times i won't find hatch before 4th so i only get max 3 kills and i don't care if 3 kills are considered win, i play against 4 survivors so i go for 4 kills and i will always slug 3rd guy so 4th can't move freely far aways from me looking for hatch
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@TheSubstitute said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3862366#Comment_3862366
That's exactly the type of nonsense I would expect somebody who is even more toxic than the exit gate teabaggers to say. Thanks for helping prove my point.
ok.. so you have 0 argument, youre just mad
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@TheSubstitute said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3862030#Comment_3862030
Toxic behaviour is behaviour that is skewed towards accommodating one individual's needs and demands.
By slugging for the 4K you are circumventing intended game mechanics (where the Hatch spawns and the last survivor and Killer look for the Hatch), you are wasting two people's time and changing intended game mechanics to skew towards you, and if you're doing it regularly you're doing it mainly for the ego satisfaction of a 4K (as on a BP basis and time spent getting into a new match you are better off hooking the 3rd person with the only exceptions being achievements and tome challenges).
Congratulations, you just hit every metric on slugging for the 4K being toxic. If you do this you are just as toxic as the teabaggers at the exit gate. The only ignorance here is attempting to claim that slugging for the 4K isn't as toxic as teabagging at the exit gate and all the gaslighting in the thread attempting to put the blame on Survivor players for negative Killer behaviours that the Killers choose to initiate.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/in-flux/201609/toxic-people
Just because killer slugged you for 2 minutes to get 4th kill is not toxic at all XD it would be if 4th kill wouldn't give blood points or anything at all but its rewarding so why can't killer choose to slug one guy for few minutes (no more than 4) to kill everyone? XD
you're just mad because you play survivor and killer's are slugging you for 4th kill or you are the 4th guy and you're mad because you can't take hatch XD
there is absolutely no reason for killers to let 4th guy escape and not slug 3rd for few minutes to kill 4th, absolutely no reason to let you escape. but there is also absolutely no reason for survivors to teabagging ;), there is no reward for this -
@ratcoffee said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3861539#Comment_3861539
And deciding to slug for a 4k because of hatch is an ego problem.
The same could be said about teabagging by exits but that can be ended in a max of 5.4 seconds with 2 basic attacks so there's less of an urgent need to address it.
teabagging is just toxic behavior… don't compare this to getting 4k XDDDDDD. that's ignorance.
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@alpha5 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3860804#Comment_3860804
That's a lot of assumptions/unspecified premises for this little text.
First up: Survivors are not a team. Proof: MMR isn't distributed on a teambasis, no seeing perks beforehand, no communication, developer intent (check out Steam storepage) - the thing you criticize is stated as a possible strategy. Survivors can either cooperate with the others or be selfish.
Hiding is not an inherently bad move even what the team is concerned with. Example: 2 gens done. 2 hooks total, on the same guy. If he does anything other than hide (until he absolutely has to help) but instead gets himself killed by showing his face, I am going to ask him post-game why he threw the game. I don't see any reason why that would suddenly go obsolete in endgame. You want to kill, they want to survive. The role isn't called mechanic, medic or roadrunner.
There can be multiple reasons why you didn't see a particular survivor. From you hard-tunneling over their mates playing too aggressively/carelessly to them not taking chase when necessary. Even the last part doesn't mean too much in a vaccum as you probably could and should ignore that chase anyway. It's not that obvious at all unless they run a build like urban evasion + pre-nerf distortion. I just don't trust your judgement on the happenings at any given moment. I don't deny your scenario never happens though, and there are a lot of bad/immersed gamers, but it is weird to me how a (perceived) playstyle of a specific survivor is justification for being compelled to prolong the game by roughly 50%. You wanna kill them all for fulfillment? Just say so. Stop pushing an alibi-justification. If anything you should be shitting on the matchmaking for matching you with these useless hiders, right?
And since you ask specifically about your question as if you had never been in this situation as a survivor, I ignored it because it is not a good one. Clearly, it is playing the game. The issue is the killer is the only one left "playing". The survivor is reduced to one choice a minute while the slug questions themselves why they even play this game. Essentially, all the choices lie with the killer and there are no more stakes anymore. No choices, no stakes - not much of a game, is it?
The purpose of these 4K-slug threads isn't to convince anyone to change their playstyle but for Bhvr to change the game so 4min of nothing isn't possible to begin with. I don't fault you for 4k-slugging but it shouldn't be part of the game to this extent and I will judge you for it. (Just for the record: If you see the 4th as you down the 3rd you can have a grace period, I don't care, don't want to discuss this here.)
Now you tell me why a single survivor is worth >4min and why the slug deserves to be kept in that game.
Rulebreaker don't know yet. We'll see.
so you're accusing me of assumptions but then youre the one that is assuming things.
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@Firellius said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3860795#Comment_3860795
You're not slugging to finish the game, you're slugging to drag it out. If you hooked that survivor, you'd be finishing the game.
how is it dragging out ?? he is gonna die soon or sooner, that one slugged is not left to bleed out but to not let last one escape. how is it dragging out
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@Rulebreaker said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3860801#Comment_3860801
@alpha5 hey, like this one too? XD
Well if they're staying in one place then you should be able to find them pretty easy by searching the map~ They are playing the "hiding" part of "hide and seek". Know that game? You say the survivors job is completing gens and escaping. Your half right, it ONLY escaping (unless they got some other definition for winning), does not matter how. Because the killer slugged that 3rd, if there's more than 1 gen or if the killer is guarding said slug, then the best way to complete their job is to wait for the slug to die.
if that's ok then slugging without even touching surv is good too. because 4 minutes is not 20 minutes ;) and it's always 4 minutes, it's always less than hiding.
Gonna be honest here, we have absolutely no idea how you reached for that logic. Soooo hows slugging everyone equal to slugging for the 4k? If nothing else we'd think it would be longer than slugging for the 4k. Waiting 1 survivor to bleed vs 3 to bleed. Not even touching the heavy details here. Care to explain or you just shouting into the fog random things?
who we?? who? who's "we"?? and where did you get that "whaterever reason"??? did you never read any comment? you have dozens of comments explaining why people slug for 4k, TO GET 4K, genius.
Rulebreaker is a shared account by 3 of us. We say "whatever reason because they were literally listed and we didn't feel like posting each and every detail ohh venerable wisebutt.
here's scenario
So let's see if we understand this correct. It's still a 2v1, the killer had the 3rd at their mercy but chose not to "for whatever reason" hook, got the 4th, lost the 3rd due to incompetence or stupidity depending on what you want to call it (as the killer had that one at their mercy previously) and was bled out, which then causes survivors to complain about the 4k and people who then try to shift all the blame onto them due to not playing how the killer wanted...we'll let you think on how many mistakes are here and if you want us to actually explain everything but personally I'd want a drink first (probably the other 2 as well).
what whe? XD youre alone bro
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@alpha5 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3860641#Comment_3860641
I like everything about this post - clear good and bad distribution. If the survivor is good he takes the bait and dies by your hand like you want him to or he is a toxic pussy who doesn't know how to play the videogame. Killer is good by default, naturally, and knows what every survivor has done over the course of the game which allows him to judge the last survivor.
if you have to hide and waste 10 or more minutes to have 50% chance on hatch (50/50, you find it before killer of killer before you) because your team WITH YOU couldn't complete gens then you already lost this game and now you're just stalling. and again HOW IS SLUGGING FOR 4K NOT PLAYING GAME? because you obviously ignored that question.. like others
if i don't see one surv whole game it's obvious he is not playing and just hiding somewhere. especially when killer doesn't even have terror radius so surv can't hide before killer come closer and see scratch marks -
@Firellius said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3860640#Comment_3860640
not doing your job is stalling
The survivor's job is either to survive, which they're doing, or to escape, which they're also doing by making a hatch play.
sooo if they can't win
They CAN win. That's why they hide. It's their only way TO win.
not survive.. escape, but by hiding and doing nothing youre not going anywhere…you're just wasting everyone's time
ok.. so you're stalling, wasting so much time on doing nothing and it's ok but slugging one guy to finish game is bad thing and toxic.. okay, okay i think i understand now how sad survivors are. -
@Rulebreaker said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3860366#Comment_3860366
...well odd scene but it's still ultimately the killer responsibility. You as killer don't want to kill that one for whatever reason, in this case because they did something cute or a show of...mercy? (don't think that's the right word...)
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3860325#Comment_3860325
Neither is slugging the 3rd survivor by that logic. The killer ain't really killing. By hooking you kill that 3rd faster to try for hatch which then forces the 4th to do something or die.
As we or atleast someone probably stated before trying to heal the slug when the killer watches them like a hawk is suicide, doing a gen thats not far away is also a death sentence for said survivor, so what do you expect that one to do? They deserved it just as much as the 3rd did far as we know. Betrayal is in the eye of the beholder, we don't think the other being smart is betrayal. We will criticize our teammates for not funny stupid but will rarely criticize for being smart.
how is slugging for 4k not playing game? XD one is dying slowly so i have time to find 4th, he has chance to help 3rd or be pu*** and keep hiding but after 4 minutes and always 4 minutes he can't hide anymore… you rly don't understand why anyone is slugging 3rd surv, you are probably the 4th toxic surv who doesn't care about team and only plays for hatch hiding half game and then when killer doen't kill 3rd guy immediately you attack him after game. no, you don't deserve hatch if you don't even try to cooperate with your team… you play as team, if youre selfish and not helping them then you don't deserve to escape more than anyone, that's why i never kill 3rd guy immediately if 4th surv isn't around. that's not being smart lmao, you hide, you're not smart XD, you're not looping, stunning killer, using perks, you just hide XD
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@Firellius said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3860325#Comment_3860325
If you have the third survivor, it's not 'taking the killer hostage', since you can just hook them and move to EGC after a minute.
hookig 3rd surv is basically giving up so camper can escape (he didnt deserve hatch after hiding, not doing gens and betraying 3rd surv).
There's no 'betraying' about it, survivors can't do anything in such scenarios since they're not the power role. This is purely on the killer.
not doing your job is stalling, game is basically paused, killer cant kill beacuse they move from locker to locker so they avoid crows… killer can't find them. they are not doing gens so they can't escape too but one of them is douchebag and will give up on 3rd guy like always so he can escape after wasting 20 minutes.. that's literally taking game hostage XD because it can't end, 2 survs are preventing me from killing them by hiding in lockers and avoiding crows.
sooo if they can't win then take the L and go for another game instead of stalling or taking hostage. -
@Rulebreaker said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3859921#Comment_3859921
Forgive our sarcastic streak but this is to good to pass up~
So when did we get 4 killers? Why and how is a killer slugged?! Is the new killer Gary?! …wait thats a snail…Also hows a survivor camping?
Ok now that thats out of our system, semi serious mode:
As survivor hiding when it would be suicide otherwise is playing. Theres a limit to it of course such as 2 survivors just hiding without even trying to do gens, but if theres 1 slug 1 up then yes its very often in the up's best interest to hide. The killer isnt hooking meaning that 4 min wait is on them. Hooking that survivor is much less time than the 4 minutes or looking for the fourth (most times anyway). If your chasing a survivor then you have the ability to catch a survivor and hook them bar a major skill difference.
stalling game is not playing, the game is not moving anywhere, surv is not doing gens (thats their goal) it's almost like taking killer as hostage. hookig 3rd surv is basically giving up so camper can escape (he didnt deserve hatch after hiding, not doing gens and betraying 3rd surv).
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@BorisDDAA said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3859927#Comment_3859927
Acting like slugging and getting picked up over and over doesn't drag out the game.
but we are not talking about picking up and dropping
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@doobiedo said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3858787#Comment_3858787
Well you're winning the majority of your matches so stop complaining.
how dare they win a game 1v4….
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@thrkeybs said:
This isn't a topic about balance. I'm not interested in which side you think is stronger, or what needs a nerf. The topic at hand is fun, enjoyment: jouissance.
Survivor is no longer a fun role.
Strictly speaking about how the role "feels", there is no joy in playing survivor anymore.
Being slugged on the ground for 4 minutes is not fun.
Watching a killer proxy camp you, only to immediately chase you and tunnel you out is not fun.
What was fun about this game was the reward of learning loops, pallets, timings. If you played enough, you were rewarded with learning how to get better. If you spent time researching how to play the different tiles, it then became a game of chess between you and the killer: who could better mind game a loop, who could better read the other player.
This is no longer the case, as most tiles have been turned into unsafe loops, where your best play is to force a 50/50.
Most killers are no longer even interested in looping, and understandably so. Why chase a survivor in a strong tile when you can tunnel their teammate out? Lower risk, higher reward.
I know this has been talked about ad nauseam on the forums, but the finisher Mori has really incentivized another really unfun aspect: you already lost the game, as it's just you and someone else, but now you're forced to crawl around on the floor so that the killer can watch their Mori.
Again, I'm not interested in the strength of any of the things I've mentioned — I don't care. I care about having fun, enjoying the game I've paid money for and spent a lot of time investing into. There has to be a way that BHVR can make the game more enjoyable for both sides, and that's what I'm interested in.
Edit: I'm going to compile the grievances that people post in this thread here, so that the feedback can be passed efficiently to designers of the game.
Compilation of Grievances found in this thread:
Survivors
- Being slugged feels uninteractive and boring (This includes waiting for the killer to find other survivor for finisher Mori, but also things like 4k slugging)
- Gen / healing / totem time feels like a slog and also boring
- Map Design
- Unsafe pallets discourage looping or more in-depth strategic play
- Massive dead zones
Killers
- Gens are being done too quickly
- Hooks do not have enough incentive when compared to slugging
boohoo….. slugger for 4 minutes is so bad but stalling game for 20 minutes by hiding with other surv is interactive and so fun?? XD you basically created that problem with this attitude
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@ratcoffee said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3859752#Comment_3859752
"It would result in [thing that rewards the last survivor doing gens] and [thing that people already complain happens]"
So at worst things stay the same and at best survivors are rewarded for not hiding and doing the objective (or killers are forced to end the game faster)
as survivor you do gens or you're just stalling. stalling forces killer to slug one of you just to speed up game ;) because then you know killer will look for you or will kill 3rd and now its hatch race.
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@Rulebreaker said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3858984#Comment_3858984
Well seems to have diverged then as it's turned into being about 2 survivors hiding trying to get hatch.
We do got questions regarding something in the op:
Nothing is stopping that last survivor from just conceding up rather than stalemating the game and wasting everyone's time further. At best, you have a slim chance at hatch, while the other survivors sit there and rot. You're just as responsible.
Since the killer can kill that 3rd survivor but isn't how does it make that 4th survivor responsible? Also what makes the 4th giving themselves up in this scenario the reasonable course of action?
if you as 4th killer are hiding and not playing… you are the one making game longer than it has to be and slugging is only 4 minutes, much much less than looking for camper or chasing 2 surv who CAN'T win game anymore if its more than 1 gen
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@GeneralV said:
The killer chooses to slug, not the survivor.
In situations like the one you've described, a survivor might try to hide because it is the only thing they can do. That is just how the survivor role is designed.
As a killer, however, I usually just take the 3k because that is already a victory. It doesn't really matter if the last one gets lucky with the hatch, I've already won the game.
Slugging for the 4k is just unnecessary.
not true.. if you are hiding with your buddy then sorry but you are the one with other guy forcing me to slug because otherwise i won't kill you.. 2 survs hiding is just making game much much longer than leaving one guy to bleed out and not touching him at all
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ooh it is toxic as hell.. and more or less we all are part of this
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@NarkoTri1er said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3858411#Comment_3858411
bleedout kill doesn't count as a kill, bleeding 4 survivors out = 0k
where did i say anything about killing by bleeding out?? i already said many times that leaving someone to death on the ground is toxic.
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@AmpersandUnderscore said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3858411#Comment_3858411
The killers job is, very specifically, to kill survivors by sacrificing them to the entity on hooks.
There's even a built in BP penalty for bleeding people out by slugging.
I'm curious though, where do people buy these motorized goal posts on wheels? They move really fast and I see a lot of people using them here.
no.. that's where more points comming from. your goal as survivor is escape before you die, so automatically my job is to stop you before you leave.. by sacrificing or waiting (time will do its thing after gate is open too or hatch closed). i have options, you don't.
and i never said anything about killing by slugging being good thing XD, but i guess you are this type of player that will complain about slugging everytime you see it even if its for 4k, and i only slug for 4k (if you rly don't understand what slugging for 4k means then i guess you can't be helped and you shouldn't play this game). if you crawl away and die from bleeding… well it's your great decision that led to death. -
@I_Cant_Loop said:
Give Killers basekit Deerstalker. When I slug I survivor to apply pressure, I have every intention of going back to hook them eventually. But most of the time, the survivor crawls away to a hiding spot or obscure corner of the map so I can't find them. I'm not going to waste a whole bunch of time trying to find them if I can't find them right away. It's pretty irritating that survivor players complain about being bled out for 4 minutes while many of them intentionally make it difficult for the killer to find them after they've been downed. I think a good percentage of players being bled out are due to the killer not wanting to take the time to find them. Giving killers basekit Deerstalker would make it quicker/easier to find downed survivors and I think would significantly reduce slugging. If after 3-6 months the data shows that it's not effective, then revert the change and try something else. But at least it's worth a try.
ah yes.. crawling, dumbest decision to make when 4th survivor doesnt even care about helping
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@[Deleted User] said:
Continuing, if we leave aside the issue of 4 kills. Let me shed light on the issue of slugging two survivors from a slightly different angle.
Sometimes I am not inclined to kill 4 survivors and am ready to play the hatch. In fact, I have some gradation of how much I want to kill survivors. Various situations happen to me, which I will describe now.
Situation 1. There are two survivors left in the game. I hang survivor number 3 on the hook in the hope that he will kill himself so that survivor number 4 and I can play the hatch. As a result, I get meaningless saves that waste my time. I can conclude that the survivors want to stay with me until death.
Situation 2. Swamp. I kill the third survivor. I do not like searching in the swamp without perks and certain killers. The race for the hatch begins. I find a survivor who decided to waste my time repairing the generator. He knew where the hatch was and how to get there safely, but he preferred to farm extra blood points.
Situation 3. One of the two survivors was not hanging on the hook. I see that survivor 3 is trying and doing something. Survivor number 4 did maximum rescues from hooks and disappeared into the fog. Leaving survivors number 1, 2, 3 to my tunneling. That is, the survivor refused to take responsibility for the rescue. Yes. I have my own twisted sense of justice.
Situation 4. The survivors want the hatch so much that they are stalling for time. The situation you discussed in the thread. Only in defense of these survivors I can say that they were really scared against Singularity. I was more amused by the situation. I did not even look for the fourth survivor. We met him at the gate.
06/20/2023 The survivor was found at 07-50. Only most likely I was looking for them for much longer. I started filming the katku after a long search.
I always think that it is better to analyze situations using specific examples, considering various options. Both from the side of the survivor and from the side of the killer.
your first situation is the main reason why i never hook 3rd guy if im not sure where 4th is. they are always wasting much more time with this than me leaving 3rd guy to bleed out without intention of hooking him