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Improving 78 survivor perks so we can have more diversed/interesting matches and builds

Masterninja Masterninja
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Unoriginal and repetitive perks that need complete reworks to be interesting and make players want to use them:

Collective stealth, Power of two, Friendly competition, Emphatic conection, Reactive healing, Scavenger, Quick gambit, My lucky star, Scene partner, Up the ante and Troubleshooter.

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This is not happening: now also works when healthy. Reduce the bonus from 30% to 25%.

Technician (new version): if you are alone in a gen the repairing noises are completely silent. Failing a skillcheck while repairing prevents the explosion and the gen loses 5% instead of 10%.

Corrective action (new version): remove the whole token system. When teammates are repairing and healing with you, their failed skillchecks are transformed into good ones and the good skillchecks into great ones. Teammates are notified of this perk.

Kinship (new version): if you are hooked and there is no teammates in a 40m meter radius, the hook timer pauses for 20s. Teammates are notified of this perk. Activates in both hook phases.

Soul guard: increase the endurance duration from 8s to 16s.

Wake up: now you are immune to the blindness and oblivious effect (doesn't counter killer powers) and can see how much progress the gates switches have by the intensity of their auras.

Left behind: now you can open hatch without a key.

Low profile: now it also hides (aura/screams/killer instinct) and gives you permanent 7% Haste while is active.

Sole survivor : increase the stackable radius from 24m to 30m and now you also gain +2% Haste with each token.

No one left behind: increase the healing and unhooking speed from 50% to 100%. Now the rest of survivors can see your aura.

Blood pact (new version): you and the obssesion see each other aura at any distance (remove the injured requirement). If one of you is healing the other and the action is stopped or gets completed, both gain a 7% Haste for 16s.

Fast track (new version): now each token gives you +1% repair speed up to 27%, you also gain 3 tokens when teammates are killed (not sacrificed).

Self-preservation: increase the range from 16m to 20m. Now also activates when a teammate is hooked within range.

Parental guidance: now it also hides pools of blood for the 7s duration.

Dance with me: reduce cooldown from 40s to 30s and now it also hides pools of blood for the duration.

Poised: now poised also makes your footsteps and fast vaults completely silent. The timer will only start the moment you start running. If you are more than 40m away from the killer when it activates, poised lasts 5s longer.

Cut loose: increase duration from 6s to 8s.

Calm spirit (new version): prevents crows from flying of by you, supresses the urge to scream. When a crow is disturbed by the killer in a 36m radius, his location (not aura) is revealed for 2s, with a 40s cooldown. Remove the totem and chest effects.

Small game (new version): now see totems aura in a 12m radius and you cleanse them silently. You gain tokens everytime a totem on the map is cleansed.

Plunderer's instinct: now you unlock chests silently.

Pharmacy (new version): you unlock 100% faster and the first chest guarantees a Ranger medkit (injured requirement removed). Now it also increases the efficiency of medkits found in chests by 75%.

Appraisal: increase the bonus from 80% to 100% and when unlocking a chest, the aura of the closest one to you (locked or opened) will be revealed for 6s.

Ace in the hole: the second add-on can be green raritie or lower and increase the chances to gain it from 50% to 100%. Now at the start of a match, 1 extra chest spawns on the map.

Detective hunch: increase the duration from 10s to 13s.

Stake out: reduce the time to gain tokens from 15s to 10s. Increase the bonus of hitting healing skillchecks from 3% to 6%.

Counterforce: increase the aura duration from 4s to 8s and remove the stack-able bonus, now the perk increases your cleansing speed by +40%.

Buckle up (new version): you gain the ability to pick up downed survivors and put them on your shoulder, while carrying a survivor you run at 3m/s and the teammate can recover himself.

Mettle of man: can be no longer used while in deep wounds and using it gives you deep wounds. Reduce the protection hits required from 3 to 2 and remove the aura revealing penalty effect.

Aftercare: when being hooked you only loose 2 teammate aura instead of 3.

Breakdown: increase the duration from 180s to 240s and the aura reading from 6s to 10s.

Guardian: now it also delays the killer loud noise notification when you unhook another survivor for 3s.

Built to last: change the percentages from 99%/66%/33% to 70%/55%/40% and reduce the time you have to spend in lockers from 12s to 6s. Old benefit = +198% / New = +165%

Streetwise: increase efficiency from 25% to 30%, radius from 8m to 16m and duration from 15s to 30s.

Residual manifest: increase duration from 30s to 45s. Now if you don't bring a flashlight yourself, you will start the trial with a yellow one in hand (remove the rummage requirement).

Open-handed: now also increases aura revealing times by 20% to all survivors, it can't be stacked more than once.

Leader: increase the radius from 8m to 16m. Now also affects blessing.

Any means necessary: reduce the time to put back up pallets from 4s to 3s.

Breakout: reduce it from 25% to 20%, but increase the Haste from 7% to 12% and the range from 5m to 8m.

Deception: increase the duration from 3s to 4s and now it also hides pools of blood for the duration.

Red herring (new version): while repairing press X button to activate it highlighting the gen, only for yourself. Now at anytime (moving or not, inside a locker or doing an action), press the same button to make a loud noise notification at the gen. It has a 60s cooldown.

Diversion (new version): remove terror radius requirement, now it has a 60s cooldown (30s initial cooldown at the start of the match). Note = not anymore useless agaisnt stealth killers

Autodidact (new version): you start with a -10% penalty and each token grants you +15% bonus, up to a maximum 3 tokens. Final bonus = 35% / Old bonus = 50%

Object of obsession (new version): remove the Obsession part. Now all the effects from the perk function no matter if you aren't the obssession or there's more than one Object of obsession in the match.

Repressed alliance: reduce the time it takes to activate from 45s to 40s and increase the duration from 30s to 40s.

Hyperfocus: no longer works if you are repairing with toolboxes.

Potential energy: reduce the time it takes to activate the perk from 8s to 3s and how much you need to repair to gain tokens from 1,5% to 1%. Now cancelling the action of storing energy will allow you to repair the gen normally again and getting hooked (not lose a healthstate) makes you lose tokens.

Overzealous: now you loose the effect when you get hooked, not when loosing a healthstate.

Decisive strike: remove skillcheck, activates instantly. Increase stun duration from 3s to 4s.

Dark sense: now each time a gen is completed you get a token up to a maximum of 5, when the perk activates you loose a token. Note = no longer loses uses if multiple gens are completed quickly

Blast mine: reduce the blindness (not stun) duration from 4s to 2s. Reduce the percentage it takes to activate from 50% to 40%.

Chemical trap: reduce the percentage it takes to activate it from 50% to 33% and the Hindered penalty from 50% to 35%.

Wiretap: reduce the duration from 120s to 40s and the percentage it takes to activate from 50% to 33%. Now it works with "Open handed".

Flashbang: now to craft it press X button while crouching for 3s. Reduce the percentage it takes to activate from 50% to 40%.

Rookie spirit (new version): you can see the aura of regressing and blocked gens in white all the time (remove the skillchecks requirement).

Premonition: reduce the range from 36m to 30m and the cooldown from 30s to 25s.

Spine chill: increase the bonus when the killer has clear line of sight from 6% to 15% and remove the 0,5s delay.

Lithe: now on windows it will only activate if you perform a fast vault (not a medium). Still works on pallets.

Background player: reduce the exhaustion from 40s to 20s and increase the duration from 4s to 5s.

Blood rush: no longer makes you lose a healthstate and suffer the broken effect for 20s. Note = now can be used while injured and also with Dead hard

Reassurance: increase activation range from 6m to 12m.

Tenacity: increase bonus movement speed from 50% to 100%. Reduce the grunts of pain reduction from 75% to 50%.

Situational awareness: now the effect (seeing all survivors auras for 10s when a teammate is downed) activates at any time, not only when you are repairing a gen.

Visionary: increase the radius from 32m to 40m. Remove the cooldown.

Windows of opportunity: reduce range from 32m to 28m.

Urban evasion: now also increases slow vaulting and slow entering lockers speed by a 20%.

Self aware: increase walking speed bonus from 20% to 25%.

Dark theory: increase the haste of the boon from 2% to 3% and the duration once outside from 4s to 8s.

Hope (new version): each time a gen is repaired, gain 5% of Haste for 20s the moment you start running. Note = is only an endgame perk, I just want it to be less circumstancial, because after 5 gens you can be dead or not being in any danger

Made for this: remove the endurance effect and now every time you get injured you will gain a 3% Haste for 60s.

For the people: reduce the broken duration from 60s to 40s. Note = a lot of people say this perk is very strong, but that is only because of SWF, "Made for this" and "Buckle up"

Bite the bullet: now it also gives immunity to Haemorrhage and +15% chance of triggering skillchecks while healing.

Better than new: increase the bonus from 16% to 33% and now it also gives +2% Haste. Getting injured removes all the effects.

Solidarity: increase the percentage you take back from 50% to 75%. Now teammates are notified of this perk.

Renewal: reduce the time to heal from 20s to 15s.

Resurgence: now will also grant you 15% healing progress, up to 45%, every time you stun the killer while being injured. Note = fits perfectly Jill phrase "It's my turn *****!"

Self-care (new version): you can heal yourself in 28s. This perk activates by performing a safe unhook or healing another survivor. Once healed, self-care deactivates.

Circle of healing: change the color of survivor auras shown by the boon from yellow to blue.

Desperate measures: increase the unhooking (not healing) speed for each ... survivor in the trial from 14% to 18%. Total bonus = 72% unhooking speed.

Inner focus (new version): now is a boon, while inside of it, whenever the killer takes away a survivor health state, gets stunned by any means or enters the boon radius, it's aura is revealed for 10s.

Comments

  • illNicola illNicola

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but you haven't even mentioned a killer side perk.

    Killers have about 10 good perks, survs have a bunch of good perks. I agree that some of the ones you mentioned suck, but let's look at the game at 360 degrees: even killers have horrible perks, and they are many more than survs.

    Also add that the good perks of the surv unbalance the game, since they are abused and are game changing.

    If we're being honest, given the condition of the game, the side with ######### perks that require urgent rework is the killer side. It being understood that both sides require heavy rework, not only to the perks but also to other things.

  • DbDistorian DbDistorian

    @illNicola said:

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but you haven't even mentioned a killer side perk.

    Killers have about 10 good perks, survs have a bunch of good perks. I agree that some of the ones you mentioned suck, but let's look at the game at 360 degrees: even killers have horrible perks, and they are many more than survs.

    Also add that the good perks of the surv unbalance the game, since they are abused and are game changing.

    If we're being honest, given the condition of the game, the side with ######### perks that require urgent rework is the killer side. It being understood that both sides require heavy rework, not only to the perks but also to other things.

    no you're not wrong, not a single killer perk was mentioned.

    op if you wanna talk about balancing perks u have to balance both sides, not just one. when was the last time you saw territorial imperative or furtive chase?

  • YOURFRIEND YOURFRIEND

    There are a few gems in here, but this is mostly insane power creep.

  • Chilli_man2400 Chilli_man2400

    There are some great changes but some that are terrible

  • Dream_Whisper Dream_Whisper

    @Dream_Whisper said:

    Here's my list of Worse Survivor Perks; and my quick rework/buffs to make them viable and useful. (I will post worse killer perks Reworks in the next post)

    *Buckle Up: (Rework) Now a team support perk like Leader and Streetwise. It activates when you run near downed Teammates, and gives them increased recovery speed by 10% and allows them to fully recover on their own without picking them up yourself; of course the perk doesnt work on the user when they are downed. (Or my 2nd proposal perk rework) If you pick them up yourself, you can remove any lingering debuffs like Exhaustion or Mangled, so that the downed teammate is prepared to get away with a exhaustion perk or heal normal and get back into the game. It punished killers whom slugged alot and get ambitious with winning games with slugged 4 man.

    *Red Herring: (Slight Rework) Now, after repair the generator for abit, you can used the actions button, similar to Reppresed alliance; and make a complete different generator, preferably not active generator (ones with no survivors on it) and gives a false sense of information to the killer with a noise notification, tricking them into thinking a Survivor is there when they are actually not. No longer required survivors to enter lockers to activate it.

    *Resurgence and Solidarity: (Buff) Hemorrhage should no longer effect these perks, as a quality of life improvement. Solidarity gets a nice buff, in which if you heal a teammate while injured, you recover 75% of your health. If you heal a teammate whom is using Resurgence while using Solidarity, once yoy complete the heal; you recover 50% of your health.

    *No Mither: (Buff) It doesn't immediately started you off Broken, until you get hit for the first time. It will not gives killers immediately information at the start, "that you are the weak link" and focus on tunneling you, to get a advantage. That and maybe bonus BP for playing hardcore DBD survivors edition.

    *Autodidact: (Buff) Increases the amount of Skill checks to appear more likely, as sometimes, the skill checks never appear during the healing process, or at least it so that a Survivor successful heal by you gives you a token or two. That and make it visible for your teammates, so they can let you heal you for the perk benefits. (Solo Que buffs)

    *Diversion and Stake Out: Decrease the time it requires from 15 to possible 12 seconds in the terror radius. And also, gives Survivors additional methods to gaining tokens if they are dealing with killers without terror Radius. It can be something like spotting the killer from a distance with your camera angle for a certain period of time.

    *Premonition (Rework): When a Killer is under the affects of Undetectable status effect and looking in your direction within 32 meters, even without line of sight; this perk activates and pings you with a noise notification. And goes on 30 seconds cooldown. It also gives you a small 2nd Benfit of hiding your aura for 6/8/10 seconds, to allow the Survivors to make a clean get away, but has a 30 seconds cooldown everytime the perk activates. Great detection perks agaisnt stealth killers, with the additional benefit to lose your tracks.

    *This is not Happening: (Buff) Now Increases All Skill Checks zone up to 75%, instead of 30% while injured.

    *Corrective Action: (Buff) Now, Also rewards Survivors whom get good skill checks and convert it into great skillchecks, and everytime they land a great skillchecks, it rewards you a free token.

    *Self-Care: (Buff) Revert the Healing Speed without a medkit, back to up to 60%, from 68 seconds to 40 seconds. No Medkit bonus, no item benefits as Botany Knowledge exists.

    *Teamwork: Collective Stealth: (Buff) Now Increases the ranged from 12 to 24 meters of no scratch marks.

    *Inner Focus: (Buff) Now no longer has a ranged limit of 32 meters when the killer hits a Survivor, you can now see the Killer's aura at any range.

    *Left Behind: (Buff) Now grants a purple key in any unopened chest, as well as grant one used rummage any open chest, to secure a key.

    *Self Preservation: (Buff) Now Grants 50% noise reduction when within 32 meters of the killer, outside of a Chase, and the duration of the Perk increase from 6/8/10 to 16/18/20 seconds, after the killer injured a Survivor by any means and give you maximum bonus like 100% silence, no blood, and scratch marks.

    *Boon Exponential: (Buff) Now Increases the ranged of the boon by 40 meter by itself. Doesn't stack with other boon effects, to avoid any exploiting with CoH and other boons.

    *Poised: (Buff) Now grants 2% haste speed after a generator is completed, along with the no scratch marks, for 6/8/10 seconds.

    *Small game: (Buff/Rework) Now. The cone of detection will straight up reveal that one totem you are looking for 10 seconds. It will take a 30 second cooldown. To compensate for the whole wasting so much time looking for just one totem you sometime cannot find with deduction.

    *Calm Spirit: (Doesn't need changes) It is fine, just I wished the Devs bother buffing Crows mechanic and a specific killer perk like Spies from the Shadow to make Survivor more mindful of crows in general and be afraid of Spies in the shower and make Calm Spirit viable. The only real used is the 2nd effect that denies you screaming which can counter infectious fright and doctor's madness, but that is really hit.

    *Technician: (Buff) Now it no longer make you loose progress when you fail skillchecks, kinda strange that Bite The Bullet doesn't make you loose any healing Progress everytime you fail it, yet Technician will make you loose extra progress to silence the noise notification?!? That and Increases the audible range reduction from 8, to... 8/10/12 meters.

    *Solo Survivor: (Buff & Rework) Now, will reward a permanent Buff to you, everytime your teammates begin to die by any means. The following effects are. 1 survivor dead, Grants self care without a medkit for 24 seconds and unlimted unbreakable after 30 seconds. 2 survivors dead, Grants you complete aura reading immunity by the killer, as well as remove Scratch Marks outside of chase. All 3 survivors are dead, Grants 75% generator speed and 50% exit gate opening speed.

    *Mettle of Man: (Buff) Now requires 2 protection hits, instead of 3; and no longer reveals your aura when fully heal.

    *Smash Hit: (Buff/Slight Rework) Now everyime you drop the pallet, you can run 2 seconds of 150% movement speed with a 20 second exhaustion cooldown; but if you landed a stun on the killer; it is 4 seconds of 150% movement speed with a 40 second exhaustion cooldown.

    *Up the Ante: (Rework?) Luck is a complicated mechanic, that seems to not effect much but your chance to unhook and getting something nice in a chest search. However, this perk by itself, doesn't help at all, unless maybe stack with other perk that effect unhooking. I think it needs to be scratch and do something else entirely different. Up the Ante, sounds like a High Risk, High Reward perk to me; so here's the new description:

    Now, for every Survivor you saved on the hook, for every generator you complete, and for every minute you been in a chase; earn a token up to a maximum of 20 tokens. Each token will reward the player per token, 2,000 BP up to a maximum of additional 40,000 BP at the end of the trial. You lose it all, if you die in the trial.

    *Quick Gambit: (Buff) Now Increases the within of a generator being repaired by 40 meters.

    *Open Handed: (Buff) Besides Increases the ranged of aura reading, it Now also increases the duration of the aura reading by a extra 3 seconds longer then normal, similar to Lethal Pursuer's 2nd effects.

    *Dark Sense: (Buff) Just Show me the Killer's Aura, at any range; not when they are within your terror Radius. Just give survivors the ability to see the killer anywhere in the map, for 5/7/10 seconds anytime a generator is done.

    *Wake Up: (Buff) Now grants additional benefit, of turning off the Exit Gate Switches Lights off by the Killer's perspective; to help with those sneaky 1v1 Endgame plays.

    *Flip Flop: (Buff) When in the Dying State, 50% of your recovery will covert into 75% of your wiggle bar. It takes longer but it more easier to gain.

    *Power Struggle: (Buff) When carried by the killer, wiggle progress up to 20/15/10%, instead of 25/20/15% will allow you to activate the perk and stun the killer with a pallet.

    I also made a list of Balance Changes for the least used and terrible perks that could used significantly buffs and reworks to make them viable. Just Balance enough to make them usable and can be see in any game

  • illNicola illNicola

    @DbDistorian said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3451031#Comment_3451031

    no you're not wrong, not a single killer perk was mentioned.

    op if you wanna talk about balancing perks u have to balance both sides, not just one. when was the last time you saw territorial imperative or furtive chase?

    Seriously, have you ever seen territorial imperative or furtive chase? I didn't even remember that these 2 perks exist, lol

  • Boons123 Boons123

    Emphatic conection: is just a worse version of empathy.?!

    Dude, I don't want to run to the survivors to heal them

    Let them come to you and also heal them 10% faster

    empathy is the bad version of this

  • Justa335i Justa335i

    Distortion is fine as is. With so many aura reading abilities in the game, its nice to have options.

    Having distortion also gives that survivor a secondary objective. They need to get near the killer without being caught for 30 seconds to gain a single token.

  • YOURFRIEND YOURFRIEND

    @Justa335i said:

    Distortion is fine as is. With so many aura reading abilities in the game, its nice to have options.

    Having distortion also gives that survivor a secondary objective. They need to get near the killer without being caught for 30 seconds to gain a single token.

    It's weird that every perk OP has is a huge buff..... except distortion. Which is a huge nerf.

    Also distortion is not a secondary objective. If you get caught it still gains tokens. Honestly the only way I've ever run out is vs a full aura huntress cuz her TR is so small.

  • Justa335i Justa335i

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    @YOURFRIEND said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3451296#Comment_3451296

    It's weird that every perk OP has is a huge buff..... except distortion. Which is a huge nerf.

    Also distortion is not a secondary objective. If you get caught it still gains tokens. Honestly the only way I've ever run out is vs a full aura huntress cuz her TR is so small.

    There are plenty of situations where you can run out, however they are usually killer add on or a full aura build.

    Scratched Mirror Myers, Black Incense Plague, etc.


    I used to be a Distortion enjoyer, but now its replaced with deja vu.

  • Devil_hit11 Devil_hit11

    @YOURFRIEND said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3451296#Comment_3451296

    It's weird that every perk OP has is a huge buff..... except distortion. Which is a huge nerf.

    Also distortion is not a secondary objective. If you get caught it still gains tokens. Honestly the only way I've ever run out is vs a full aura huntress cuz her TR is so small.

    to be fair, a large part of survivor perks are not very good. and I would support his power-creep on a vast majority of them. I think only two perks I'd disagree with is streetwise going from 25%->50% and build to last going from 99/66/33->80%/60%/20% with 8 second recharge time. I don't think anyone needs to explanation in regards to toolboxes and these two perks.

    Are these type of changes that I would do on x perks? Likely not. For example if I was buffing a perk like Poised, I would increase duration of the perk to 30 seconds and grant the perk 5% haste. I see poise to be something similar to new killer perk Machine Learning but for survivor. In my experience from playing the game for long time, I don't think BVHR has any plans to be risky with perks. they have always stated to be against any power-creep in regards to perk changes.

  • Milo Milo

    @Boons123 said:

    Emphatic conection: is just a worse version of empathy.?!

    Dude, I don't want to run to the survivors to heal them

    Let them come to you and also heal them 10% faster

    empathy is the bad version of this

    They're a version of each other.

    Empathy gives you info where the chase takes place and you can bring your heals to them when they're safe.

    Emphatic gives them the info where you are for a safe and quicker heal.

  • Ariel_Starshine Ariel_Starshine

    Oh nooo don't change distortion please, it's my favorite perk :(

    I love a lot of your other ideas though! Great write up. Self care is a very interesting fix as well.

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