Look, Myers is great, but playing against him sucks

I know that this is a add-on but it needs a rework, Judith's tombstone. I know that when it's equipped it takes 200% longer to get into tier three, but all it takes in one of your teammates to let him get enough stalk off and boom, your dead. It's even worse when you think he's still in tear two, only to get in chase and have him stalk you for 0.5 seconds and boom, your dead. I love this killer and going against him, but when they have tombstone they can just face camp and win in the blink of an eye. I remember one game I was playing against him and as soon as a got off hook he just body blocked me and then killed me. Don't even get me started on tombstone with the tuft of hair add-on. Both of these need a Nerf, mabey just making them harder to get in the blood web (making them rarer) or decreaseing speed in tier three when you have tombstone, reworking the tuft of hair add-on completely, something like increasing how long tier three lasts for, but I mean haveing it forever?!? What if clowns purple gas lasted for ever? Or plagues corrupt purge? Or oniès demon charge? These seriously need a Nerf, mabey nothing big, but definitely something. I know that I can't be the only one that thinks this, and Id like to hear any and all suggestions for nerfs or reworks around these add-ons.

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  • First off, I think you mean tombstone piece. And it is a broken add on that is way to strong. But the only reason he gets a addon that strong is because he is almost the weekest killer in the game. They need to buff him up and nerf both tombstone add-ons at the same time. But until they buff him there's no point in nerfing the only add-ons that make him viable at highers mmrs.

  • @inkblot said:

    I know that this is a add-on but it needs a rework, Judith's tombstone. I know that when it's equipped it takes 200% longer to get into tier three, but all it takes in one of your teammates to let him get enough stalk off and boom, your dead. It's even worse when you think he's still in tear two, only to get in chase and have him stalk you for 0.5 seconds and boom, your dead. I love this killer and going against him, but when they have tombstone they can just face camp and win in the blink of an eye. I remember one game I was playing against him and as soon as a got off hook he just body blocked me and then killed me. Don't even get me started on tombstone with the tuft of hair add-on. Both of these need a Nerf, mabey just making them harder to get in the blood web (making them rarer) or decreaseing speed in tier three when you have tombstone, reworking the tuft of hair add-on completely, something like increasing how long tier three lasts for, but I mean haveing it forever?!? What if clowns purple gas lasted for ever? Or plagues corrupt purge? Or oniès demon charge? These seriously need a Nerf, mabey nothing big, but definitely something. I know that I can't be the only one that thinks this, and Id like to hear any and all suggestions for nerfs or reworks around these add-ons.

    It's already the highest tier rarity that exists. Both Tuft of hair and Tombstone are iri addon's which means they are ultra rare. They are fine considering the massive setbacks they impose to reaching tier 3, a single survivor can't produce enough stalk charges to get myers to tier 3 when those addons are used. It requires stalking multiple survivors nearly to the max. It's just as likely that he loses as it is he gets a shock 4k. It's the most interesting thing he can do considering it alters his playstyle substantially with the second most interesting being Scratched mirror. The addons are fine and it isn't if the devs didn't design a tell to let you know when he's got tombstone once tier 3 actually pops.

    @pigslittlepet said:

    First off, I think you mean tombstone piece. And it is a broken add on that is way to strong. But the only reason he gets a addon that strong is because he is almost the weekest killer in the game. They need to buff him up and nerf both tombstone add-ons at the same time. But until they buff him there's no point in nerfing the only add-ons that make him viable at highers mmrs.

    He's far from the weakest killer in the game, but he is one of the oldest killers in the game. He was built different than the way killers are made today where all their addons are good for are covering their weaknesses or making their strengths marginally better. His addons in large part were meant to modify the ways you can play with him. Trading a certain amount of risk/time investment for reward. I'm not saying he doesn't need buffs or more correctly QoL adjustments cause he hasn't really been touched in a long time. Though it's gonna be tough because he already delivers so well in terms of gameplay mirroring the them of his actions in film.

  • @ReikoMori said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/372494/look-myers-is-great-but-playing-against-him-sucks

    It's already the highest tier rarity that exists. Both Tuft of hair and Tombstone are iri addon's which means they are ultra rare. They are fine considering the massive setbacks they impose to reaching tier 3, a single survivor can't produce enough stalk charges to get myers to tier 3 when those addons are used. It requires stalking multiple survivors nearly to the max. It's just as likely that he loses as it is he gets a shock 4k. It's the most interesting thing he can do considering it alters his playstyle substantially with the second most interesting being Scratched mirror. The addons are fine and it isn't if the devs didn't design a tell to let you know when he's got tombstone once tier 3 actually pops.

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3402388#Comment_3402388

    He's far from the weakest killer in the game, but he is one of the oldest killers in the game. He was built different than the way killers are made today where all their addons are good for are covering their weaknesses or making their strengths marginally better. His addons in large part were meant to modify the ways you can play with him. Trading a certain amount of risk/time investment for reward. I'm not saying he doesn't need buffs or more correctly QoL adjustments cause he hasn't really been touched in a long time. Though it's gonna be tough because he already delivers so well in terms of gameplay mirroring the them of his actions in film.

    I'm sorry but you are incorrect. Myers is incredibly week. He has no anti loop that actually matters and no mobility. Smart survivors won't group up so you won't get more than one survivor for each deployment of tier three normally. Also good survivors don't heal. They sit on gens instead rendering a tier 3 pointless. To wrap up he has less in his kit than almost any killer so he is objectively one of the weakest killers in the game. Fun. But weak.

  • @pigslittlepet said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3402537#Comment_3402537

    I'm sorry but you are incorrect. Myers is incredibly week. He has no anti loop that actually matters and no mobility. Smart survivors won't group up so you won't get more than one survivor for each deployment of tier three normally. Also good survivors don't heal. They sit on gens instead rendering a tier 3 pointless. To wrap up he has less in his kit than almost any killer so he is objectively one of the weakest killers in the game. Fun. But weak.

    He's weak, but he's still far from being the weakest killer. He's low mid at best all things considered the issues he has have been there since day 1. The problem isn't his kit so much as everything else around him has changed. He's not a killer that was ever meant to have antiloop because antiloop wasn't thing to consider for him as he's a stealth killer who's power revolves around the exposed status. He's one of the few killers that have built in exposed that actually aren't harmed by it being there. He himself hasn't changed, but the tools survivors have to deal with him and the way maps are made now with being gigantic have changed.

    Tier 3 is also not rendered completely useless by survivors staying injured. He still has a longer lung and faster vaulting which while ultimately small still constitute an increase in power which can then be combined with perks to give him a sharper edge.

  • @ReikoMori said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3403034#Comment_3403034

    He's weak, but he's still far from being the weakest killer. He's low mid at best all things considered the issues he has have been there since day 1. The problem isn't his kit so much as everything else around him has changed. He's not a killer that was ever meant to have antiloop because antiloop wasn't thing to consider for him as he's a stealth killer who's power revolves around the exposed status. He's one of the few killers that have built in exposed that actually aren't harmed by it being there. He himself hasn't changed, but the tools survivors have to deal with him and the way maps are made now with being gigantic have changed.

    Tier 3 is also not rendered completely useless by survivors staying injured. He still has a longer lung and faster vaulting which while ultimately small still constitute an increase in power which can then be combined with perks to give him a sharper edge.

    I'm not saying he's not viable or doesn't have his moments but compared to almost every other killer he has a lot less to work with. Even compared to other low tier killers he has not luch. Clown has a strong chase without too much counterplay. Legion has mobility and info. Who would you say is weaker than Meyers. If theres not at least 4 or 5 he is one of the weakest killers in the game.

    I'm not trying to be difficult. If you can change my mind I would be happy to. I love Meyers but that doesn't make him strong. I have no problem with weak killers as long as they're fun. I used to be a pig main after all.

  • @pigslittlepet said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3403120#Comment_3403120

    I'm not saying he's not viable or doesn't have his moments but compared to almost every other killer he has a lot less to work with. Even compared to other low tier killers he has not luch. Clown has a strong chase without too much counterplay. Legion has mobility and info. Who would you say is weaker than Meyers. If theres not at least 4 or 5 he is one of the weakest killers in the game.

    I'm not trying to be difficult. If you can change my mind I would be happy to. I love Meyers but that doesn't make him strong. I have no problem with weak killers as long as they're fun. I used to be a pig main after all.

    Sadako, Skull Merchant, Pig, Trapper.

    Sadako's power gives her some mind game potential and map presence, but she's one of the killers who is negatively impacted by their own power's keynote gimmick. Condemned is something that she will rarely ever get and she can be pretty easily stifled out of her teleporting. Her TV spawn rules are also not great which often can leave her in lurch.

    Skull Merchant is all tracking info and basically nothing to supplement it. Haste for claw traps is okay if survivors actually disable your drowns, but drones don't really pose enough threat to warrant giving Merch a free speed buff unless you absolutely have to. She's negatively affected by having exposed in her kit as it basically can't happen as long as a survivor just leaves the loop.

    Pig's not in a great spot and hasn't been getting better for a long time. The slowdown of reverse bear traps isn't going as far as it used to, she can't gimmick someone into a head pop anymore, nerfs to her addons in the past have left her with far less control of the way her power is weaponized in games as well. She keeps getting weird micro buffs to the worst part of her power Ambush Rush that don't really make her any better.

    Trapper is the oldest killer and by design he has always had trouble keeping up with higher level play. Over time just like Myers this has gotten worse due to the way players play the game now and things like palette density and map size growing exponentially. He's absolutely the worst killer due to the amount of set up he needs to and he's ultimately an over simplistic m1 killer.

    There is also a case to be made for Legion being worse than Myers as well.

    Legion does have mobility and tracking in their kit, but they lack lethality. They are an injury machine but your power actively prevents you from ever downing someone through it unless you hit everyone and comes with a massive stun afterwards. A lot of the Legion's addons aren't really worth using and they've had they've had the amount of pressure they can apply stunted due to perk nerfs and changes to the amount of time you can make someone spend mending. They are in a better place than they used to be, but I wouldn't say they are better than Myers necessarily. It can go either, if the length of stun on Feral Frenzy were decreased I would say they are better by just a small margin.

  • My personal tier list has pig trapper And legion down with Meyers but sadako has mobility. It's not great mobility but I can't put her below Meyers. And skull merchant isn't week. She's annoying and not fun to play against but her style isn't week. This is my personal opinion but I think skull merchant is more b tier is the right hands.

  • Myers is on the weaker side of things. The only way I want to play as him and want to play against him is mirror myers. Those are actually fun matches in my book. I don't need his instant down or tombstone pieces.

  • I mean it's just a little fun "horror" add-on in the game, isn't it?

    It's not like you meet "those kind" of him consistently, it's fine.

  • If he’s in T3, just get in a locker so he can’t kill you. It’s fairly easy to work out from stalk durations if they are a ’kill healthy survivor’ Myers or not.

  • @IWasLrft2Die said:

    Myers is on the weaker side of things. The only way I want to play as him and want to play against him is mirror myers. Those are actually fun matches in my book. I don't need his instant down or tombstone pieces.

    Scratched in Midhurst is fun 🔪