Just Delete Legion
You didn't just gut him, you scraped out the hollowed out shell. Who approved this? Do you actually play the game? Killed end-game, killed Legion, what even is this PTB? Why was this allowed?
You didn't just gut him, you scraped out the hollowed out shell. Who approved this? Do you actually play the game? Killed end-game, killed Legion, what even is this PTB? Why was this allowed?
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*Legion left the chat*
Feral Frenzy duration increased to 10 seconds XDDD 10 seconds is literally nothing if you want to play intentionally, but okay let's see.
He's so trash right now. He doesn't have a power. BVHR what the honest ######### were you thinking? There's no way you thought this was ok, if you do I've lost any faith I had in you guys. This is pathetic.
How long was feral frenzy before? Like 7 seconds?
Well that didnt take long for the sky is falling post to appear.
Ten seconds of 5.0 (or 125%) movement speed. That's just pathetic.
Legion DS's themselves EVERYTIME YOU USE FF! #########?
Mimimi
You get 50 meters out of it, as opposed to the ~32 meters you previously had. Of course, since you're so much slower, that might be an issue.
EDIT: I just did the math, if the survivor runs in a straight line from exactly 10 meters away or more, you will not catch up to them, assuming you're not running any add-ons.
And do you think Orion that survivors are just a bots that don't move?
Yea, and then you DS yourself. Everytime you use your power, you get DS'd. What a fun game mechanic. Also, they increased the blind so you get this tiny little pucker to see through and it's really annoying. Like, gives me a headache annoying. Also, after you stab someone there's no reason to use FF anymore. It's worthless, and got nerfed repeatedly.
On top of that, vault speed got nerfed, everything to nerfed, this new Legion sucks ass. Even with double CD it's just the old cd pre-nerf but slightly faster. So you can't even do that anymore.
Bye bye legion, I am fine with that ;)
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Fine, enjoy the nurses
Explains survivor mentality. If they don't like it, remove it so they can ######### about the next thing that inconveniences them. Legion needed a change, not removal.
No, I'm just providing information. Before, it was something like 7 meters. With the increased movement speed, you should be able to get close enough to get one hit in. This seems to be what the developers are aiming for in regards to most M1 killers - one hit, and the rest is up to you.
I would happily take a thousand Nurse matches over the old style Legion ones.
That doesnt explain survivors metality but some of the players mentality here on the forums from each side.
The only difference is the players with a non biased viewpoint can recognise it.
(Time for an unpopular opinion) Hahaha, no, legion is different now, we need to learn them
That's true @Hoodedfengm1n but i don't understand theses changes:
On paper, to me it promotes tunneling one survivor and never sharing the pain while you chase one dude, wich was Legion basic idea, dropping chases to go after someone else.
What is there to learn? You vault a pallet get a free hit and then get looped. Wow such a good killer...
@Cursed_hatchet Literally play them the same like I said, hit the survivor, block a pallet/vault, down them with the 115% movement speed
New Legion play stile: Bring add-on to reduce stun duration, find survivor, Frenzy hit to get more BP, get as close as you can, get out of Frenzy, chase with the 115% speed, get looped till daylight.
I'm so tired of this. Legion isn't special. There's no tech, there's no "learning" them. You hit M2, get a free hit, then you walk around and get looped until you get a down. They're gutted, trash, you name it.
@Caretaker
Now you don't have a free hit
You also have to hit twice to apply your debuffs. This patch is a joke.
Thats the thing people complained about with the legion, the fact that they could get free hits and down you, moonwalking also meant a free easy down hence the whole no counter play argument.
Effectively this has just reduced it to one free hit while now giving counter play after that.
Most of the killers are in the same boat when it comes to looping even Billy, the fact that they can still get one free hit but can now chase as every other killer makes them stronger and not as bad as people say, its a reluctance to change how they played them.
They tend to release sh*t without testing and then nerf it the second it comes out.
You get one hit, then your power is literally worthless. You DS yourself everytime you fatigue. You lose a headache inducing amount of vision. You have to double stab to apply debuffs. DW is worthless. Also, I played this way BEFORE the changes, so that last argument is invalid.
The power can now be seen as a way to get to objectives faster and still get a free hit wasting time.
Many killer powers dont give you the hit they simply enable you to get closer to them, Legion power wastes the survivor time, if they get multiple hit they can now chase effectively and the other has to mend and hopefully now want to heal.
Nurse DS's themselves each time they blink, Leatherface gets stuck in animation each time they miss with chainsaw, this happening to killers is nothing new.
Why should they by your words be able to get a FREE hit and apply debuffs on it? the other killers at least have to work for that hit hence it now take two with Legion.
How can you say they get a free hit with frenzy and then comlain hitting with frenzy doesnt do enough knowing its a free hit, that doesnt make any sense and shows why a change was needed as nothing should ever be a "free" hit.
*uncloaks as Wraith and hits you*
*applies Mangled*
:THINKING:
Legion's power isn't scary, debuffs aren't scary. Oh no, you're broken. Good thing you were already hurt, and no one heals anyway. Plague breaks you too and drops you down with a hit, that's why she's top tier and everyone mains her now right? Right? She's 115 she's fine, right? Guys? GUYS?!
Also, Legion legit DS's himself. 4 SECOND STUN. That's old DS everytime you fatigue. Nurse is roughly 2s, and she doesn't gently crawl over a pallet, or through a window. Once you get a hit your power is literally worthless. There's 0 reason to use your power after getting a hit. Everything you do removes your power. Getting stunned, missing, fatigue, M1ing, why even have a power at all?
Guy's lets just delete every killer except for nurse if we force all killer mains to learn nurse then both sides will start having a ton of fun especially survivors in about 1-2months.
This is what happen when BHVR tried to delete legion...
Wraiths power is not a free hot though it has counter play so your point there is mute, a window or pallet completely negates that statement.
No killer power is scary, none are with two exceptions jump scare myers and possibly hag traps now and again, its not about it being scary its about it having a use and being fun for both sides and why not everyone plays every killer as some they just dont get.
The stun can easily be changed if its deemed too long, Nurse takes more skill to use, no other killer can even go over a pallet or through a window so that points is mute.
You still dont get the overall problem with Legion, their power is the actual problem, not every killer has a power that can help them in a chase its just how it is, now think how many killer get a free hit like the Legion does? overall that free hit is a major factor in helping end the chase, half the other killers could be looped for one or two gens before getting that first hit in but Legion gets that hit and can now follow like the other killers, trapper, pig, wraith, myers etc who dont get that free hit.
Nurse isn't scary or powerful. Neither is Billy, Hag, Huntress, Michael. No one worries about them at all, or gets jumpscared. If you're smart with Wraith you can usually get a cheeky hit.
Yea, fun for both sides, but this patch is completely survivor sided. I enjoy the rush down as Legion, but 4s fatigue, completely cuts my vision to the point I get a headache, addons require multiple stabs to apply. Everything drains your power, can't use your power unless full, power is worthless after first hit/against injured people(was before, but still).
Legion is the most generic killer now, and that's not fun. They could've easily made Deep Wounds something interesting. A stacking debuff is one off the top of my head.
Free hits? Depends, Nurse comes to mind, a good Huntress can, a sneaky Miguel, a Wraith who knows how to bodyblock, a well placed Hag Trap, etc. Powers should be fun and interactive. Not just a quick sprint, stab, then hold W and press space sometimes. Also, a free hit isn't scary, neither is being injured.
We always see, "Well it's not fun for survivors." but never have I once seen, "Well it's not fun for killers." It took us 3 years to get a concede button to stop surviors from holding the game hostage, and it's basically us opening the gates for them.
As for DW it's not even a power, it's just an excuse for them to keep buffing BT. Next patch they'll make it so BT applies to both again.
Exactly what I said in response to yourself so why do you think legions power needs to be scary and even mentiion it?
Any killer can get a cheeky hit but not a free hit its all part of mindgames.
The main reason the power has changed so much is not due to just survviors, its down to those that abused it, blame those who exploited the unintended side effect of the mechanic, how many killer sided patches has there been? did you also complain about them? yes it seems this one is more survivor sided but maybe the stats reflected it needed to be.
None of those are free hits, Huntress is the only one who gets "cheap" hits due to hitboxes but they are not free in the same way and that is something they are workin on fixing but with P2P right now its harder than the others as ping is one of if not the biggest factor, the others well its again part of good play and mind gaming along with creating a situation for themselves be able to get those hits, they are not free they are earned.
Legion did not have to do any of that as they could multistab and be guaranteed a hit, anyone that could hit with the legion under those circumstances well that was a case of git gud, Legion was the only true definition of free hit not what you describe, the reason I keep saying free hits is you posted stating Legion egets them, think about that fro a while and why you would even think giving a killer free hits is a great idea.
Are you kidding? looping has been stated as not fun for killers since 2016, camping has been stated as not fun for survivors since 2016, looping has had map reworks, pallets removed, perks to help with loops, camping has been the same with borrowed time, emblem changes etc, when it comes to things that are not fun both sides have had major changes to help them, just becasue you refuse to see the past changes does not change the fact that they have happened.
Well DW never was a power, DW is a secondary effect, FF is the actual power which casues said effect, I dont quite understand why you would even state that.
So is Pig's Dash not a power? Powers can have multiple layers to them. I was against those Legions too, but it's clear they just listened to all the whining instead of talking to people who played Legion legit and enjoyed him. I wanted some flavor, not for them to cut off his limbs and toss him back into the game.
Pallets removed? You mean like the 15 on The Game? You mean the double pallets sprouting up lately? People still complain about how stupid maps are yet they never get any real changes. "We removed pallets." Yea, 1 pallet, oh boy. That really helps with the jungle gyms, fixes Cow tree, etc.
Difference is when it's not fun for killers we wait months to a year then get nerfed after the change. Huntress, Pig, etc. Survivors? Fixed with multiple perks, buffs, in-game mechanic changes, etc.
I see them, that's the difference. I can post videos, patch notes, it wouldn't matter. There's no changing people's minds. Survivors want easy games, but they'll cry and cry that killers are the ones begging for their side to be broken, and that all killers are simply OP. Just get good.
I play both sides, I've 100% the game, I have over 1700 hours. I've spoken to the devs, and I have a huge community of people and friends reporting what they see and what they experience. I don't just spout off on the forums, I speak from experience. There are hardly any killers worth a damn, and even less perks. Survivors want more variety, they want this, they want that, but they keep gutting killers and yet people wonder why they see Billy/Nurse so much.
It's almost like the game has been an unfun mess for killers for the past year, and they're fed up so they're just going to what works. Billy and Nurse.
I never mentioned the pig but yes of course the dash is a power, it isnt a scary power or a stong power as she also has a secondary one to help slow the game down, her dash is in effect is just like the like legions FF it gets a hit in nothing else, the exception being FF gives a "free" hit where as the dash you can evade it by using a pallet or jumping a window or by simply creating distance if you see them crouching towards you forcing them out of it.
Yes pallets removes, you forget when it happens that the game has practically no pallets, I dont remeber you complaining when they gutted pallets and had none one whole side of the map at times, yes some have came back but that is due to a simple calculation and can be fixed, it doesnt change the fact that it happened and was that way for months, not to mention the bigger loops that had windows blocked and made smaller, sometimes people cant see changes unless its something they want to complain about.
Thats just a very biased viewpoint and I can guarantee the same could be said bythose survivor mains ion certain things, the only thing that took a really long time to fix was DS, every thing else has had multiple changes and it always goes back and they have always went back and forth for balance reasons.
Again a very biased viewpoint, if you look at these forums its mostly killers complaining, Reddit is mostly survivors, both sides only complain when it affect them directly, there are survivor videos showing problems with killers also so which side is more valid? people only see what they want to that suits their argument or if it changes something they dont like, its has always been an issue with this community it all about what someone or a small portion of player want when the majoirty really dont care.
How much you play or what you have done or spoke to is irrelevant, we all have experience with the game and many hours but this is not our game to pick and chose what we think should happen, we dont know the actual kill/live stats, we dont know anything about how people play each killer and how well they do, its all pure speculation, you know how many streamers out there with really large comunities also seeing and report things, some of them survviors mainly who may not agree with you, who should the devs then listen too?
The only ones who do know what is happening in the background are the devs, they make changes for balance, you may not like them but that is not to say they are wrong as balance is ongoing, its not make a change and leave it 100% its make this change and tweak it over time to get it right, the fact is the game was never meant to be this big, its a surprise hit, the devs have done well over the past 3 years to get here and all people do is give them ######### for changing things on both sides, that is not feedback its whining and crying as they dont like a change.
Really? most killers would have said since April last year killer gameplay had been made a lot better and for months it was in the best place since the game was made, more survivor nerfs have happened than ever before since BHVR got the rights, some changes now start to happen in favour over survivor in the past month or two and every killer on here loses it.
Balance is not about only once side, both sides will see many changes and some will be changed multiple times, its how it works, nothing is ever set in stone, everything is subject to change for the perfect 2 die 2 escape perfect game, thats the bottom line, its not about what you or other want, its about what is good for the overall game.
Since Legion came out the game has saw the largest decline of players for over a year, of course something major was going to happen to them but they are not as bad as people are making out, they may be less fun to some but if it works out that they still are fun and both sides now enjoy playing and versing then the bottom line is it works.
if youre tired then get some sleep xd
No one that I've seen is enjoying the new Legion. Killer gameplay is not better, but it doesn't matter. Literally the only people I see say that, are survivors. They all repeat it, they're so hive mind at times it's kinda terrifying. You can see people on these forums repeating each other without ever interacting with each other.
There's no point to this conversation. Nothing I say, will change how you feel, or what you say. So I'm gonna go play a better game.
Final note: Legion didn't kill the game, the multiple nerfs and other changes that NO ONE ASKED FOR, is killing the game. Such as Matchmaking.
Well who you know isnt exactly the vast majority, you really do need to get off the survivor mentality band wagon as it's the same mentality of saying killer mains here being "hive" minded.
Multiple nerfs were asked for by both sides, not all but most of them.
It you don't like the game then there are plenty others to enjoy but you are stamping your feet over a killer that was broken being changed.
Legion may have it a bit overkill with some stuff atm not seeing blood for example but they had to start somewhere and at least now they can tinker them to a place they may be highly viable and more fun if players stop whining and learn to adapt.