Legion or Legioff ?
I see a lot of posts on here with people complaining about how they don't like Legion and Legion players who are fed up of people dropping from games.
I understand the main issues is there is no counter play to this killer - how would you introduce counter play into the play style?
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You can still do the normal things to a legion, its just harder, you can still
People just don't see the weaknesses because they have tunnel vision sometimes
Well before anyone says they should lose FF if they miss an attack, stop, this would destroy Legion on console because of FPS 360 jukes.
What if FF doesn't make the Timer go down but instead extends Mending timer? Like FF first hit makes the timer 10 sec, another FF hit increases the timer by 3 or 4 seconds, matter how far along you've Mended each hit adds more seconds and the Mending has a maximum timer so it doesn't go overboard. This way Legion can only down you with a normal hit, it doesn't matter how many times he vaults and hits you he has to use a normal slash.
Legion forever.
So Eve, do you enjoy Legion because of the ''fan base'', the playstyle, both of those, or do you enjoy the backstory and awesome friendship that the Legion represent? I enjoy the 3rd and 2nd but refuse to go along with the ''fan base''.
in that case, legion would also be broken. just that he wouldnt be OP, but waaay too weak.
legion is in a really weird and difficult spot... you can not rly nerf him, as he would easily enter "######### tier" (also called "Freddy tier") and you also cant rly buff him, as he would become too strong then.
legion is like the definition of poor gameplay design, while the power and idea behind him seems cool, it turns out to just be very boring.
nerfing legion is not going to work and buffing is also not going to work.
what we need is a full on power rework
All 3 but most of all, 4-salt. :D
1 and 2 dont work on legion. 360ing aint working, as a legion has literally no cooldown on missed attacks during his frenzy mode, so all hed have to do is spam M1 until he eventually hits you. looping also gets complately shut down by his frenzy, as he will vault over anything you have and still gets closer.
3 and 4 are not specific counters to legion, as it is the exact same for every other killer out there. you cant just say, that these are a counter to legion, as legion suffers from the exact same effect any other killer also suffers from when getting d-striked / blinded. (unless the blind actually ends the frenzy, in which case that would actually be considered a counterplay to legion. it would still only work on bad legions and be extremely rare to happen)
360 is like a dead meme at this point, I never see anyone who can pull those off these days, its just randoms spinning in a circle slowly while I just turn the mouse in their direction to hit them.
Unless you're brainless I don't see you just going forward with a lunge expecting them to not turn.
The power is just too strong for the game, DW and Vaulting together makes it impossible to balance. Take out the DW he's too strong. Take out the Vaulting he still has DW and can still eventually get you, slower than before but it'll happen. IDK what they're planning for Legion but it has to be a rework yeah. If they manage to find a way to fix them then thank goodness and they deserve my money because it would be impressive.
They're not gonna rework the entire concept and power of a killer because the community dislikes them, why do you think Nurse is still OP to this day?
These killers are only good in the hands of killers that can use them, I agree Legion doesn't take that much skill to effectively use, but most Legions I see do everything wrong or most things wrong.
The only reason people hate Legion is because of the Mend, Heal, Mend, Heal, Mend, Heal game of tag you play with him. So why is it though that when I play against him I just mend and heal then never get found again till like 2 gens pass? I think people are just blowing his power out of proportion at this point.
I love the forums.
Just have an option to "opt out" of matches for specific killers before they even begin. That way the people who want to play against them can do so and the people who would just leave if they go up against them cant get matches against them and everyone's happy.
Alternatively balance the game. But that will never happen.
Legion needs a whole new power. It is not just that his style has little to no counter play, it is also the fact that survivors want more than holding M1 in a match, and Legion requires you hold M1 almost twice as much as usual.
Average match:
Rinse, repeat, and either add in more moon walking tunnel action, or insidious camp action. Either way, Legion is extremely boring. That is why most either DC or suicide on hook. Would rather face Insta Chainsaw Billy, 3-5 blink Nurse, or any other killer. Heck, give me a camping Leatherface over Legion. Seriously.
The developers seriously brain-farted when they created Legion's powers. He needs a total rework at this point.
I Think it has more to do with legion countering every mechanic survivors have against all killers except the nurse but unlike her legion doesn't have to use skill or knowledge to predict movements.
A good legion player will follow and get the hit everytime as they basically have the same kit as survivors but run faster.
Jumping windows and pallets are part of the reason he always gets the hit but they would be really weak without that so I am in agreement with the others with the total rework of their power, I feel it is the only thing which would solve the issue.
If they can still ignore the only things survivors have and get cheap hits I can't see it ever being fun to verse them and they can't make it fun nothing will change so it won't really be worth putting in the work to change them at all.
This my point of explaining the power and how no matter what you take out it's still hard to fix this Killer because it counters everything Survivors can do to protect themselves in a chase.
You can hide from Legion to a point and you can outrun him to a point but in a chase you can't counter him. I can't talk about Nurse because I'm on PS4 and all our Nurses suck, I'm always relieved when I see a Nurse.
Also to the Legion players, I'm not saying I don't like Legion, I love Legion just as much as you guys.
@FireHazard I still pull them off at rank one, but not every game. Some people freak out when a survivor starts to 360.
I agree
lol
i just think it's funny when legion mains are like no he's fine.
When his kit literally encourages tunneling. (agains, this is also the devs fault)
But who knows , maybe when this chapter drops he'll be even more annoying and able to apply pressure due to thana buff. Then WE'RE really #########.
@Hoodedfengm1n you can't do any of them effectively . To 360 them and they miss 10 swings will only happen on console.
Looping Legion is impossible because of how fast they are in their power .
DS works but they'll get mad and do that moonwalk strat so you'll definitely die quickly.
Is you flashlight a legion when their in chase then they must be dumb unless they're breaking a pallet.
It's you who is narrow minded if you think there's counterplay.
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@Hoodedfengm1n
"You can still do the normal things to a legion, its just harder, you can still
People just don't see the weaknesses because they have tunnel vision sometimes"
I completely agree with you. Way to many people claim it is "impossible" to counter him, but in fact it is just harder.
You can still palletstun him, loop and juke. And often his frenzy ends and stuns him in the worse moments.
By now it is basically just another survivor meme that Legion is "impossible to counter", because if it would be like that, no one would consider him an F-Tier killer like Freddy.
I tend to think he is in an okay place myself, he is one of the more difficult killers to go up against, Just find it near impossible to outrun him sometimes, maybe its just time we adapted and just had a 4 man ninja claudette with full ninja perks xD