SWF survivors already have an 4th perk// MAYBE EVEN A FOURTH!
Its so unbalanced!
playing against a swf group is frustrating and unfun in every way. i would be less frustrating if atleast balanced, but it isn't!
they have all the mechanics:
Pallets - ok
windows- ok
decisive- not ok but oh well
but then they have an extra mechanic:
######### comunication- broken
4 Survivors already have power. the thing with swf is the fun of being with a buddy and the hability to comunicate. not being op and destroying killers.
so my idea is.
if you're in a swf group with 2 or 3 people in it: you have only 3 perk slots.
if you're in a swf group with 4 people in it: you have only 2 perk slots.
it is balanced because they already have so much power. This change makes them rely on they'r ability to speak and coordenate with each other!
showing the killer that its a swf group on the lobby like this:
wouldn't help because then people who play swf whould be facing nurse, billy and etç with moris all the time.
it is balanced because its fun for both sides and its fun to get good at.
we already saw that Tru3t4l3nt got to rank 1 as survivor without perks. so if you're good you can get at rank 1 with only some perks and buddies.
so what you X mains think?
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You serious?... I think we've been playing different games then.
I never had any issues or time waits getting into a lobby as survivor... Not before the event.
I was with killer though... getting several minute wait times.
Now with the event.. I get instant lobbies as killer... but not as survivor, but maybe only 30 second wait.
So I'm not sure what game you've been playing before the event. I was having no issues getting a lobby as survivor. Barely even ever dodged too.
Can you then not empathize with killers who don’t want to play with SWF? Telling them to Git Gud or calling them babies that want ez wins isn’t going to fix balance issues or convince them to play a game they don’t find fun.
SWF has been a problem for years and it’s been over a year since the devs acknowledged the skill cieling gap between solos and SWF. Since then they’ve done nothing but block the killer loadout in the end screen.
I dont blame killers who do doge or have left the game entirely considering how little the devs have done to deal with SWF. Too many broken promises.
I wonder too.
Killer lobby are instant since Hallowed's blight ended.
While the waiting time only increased for survivors since December, to the current proportion.
All these "Lobby simulator" threads popping on every forums since then are not coming from nowhere.
That is weird.. I play mostly survivor and live in Canada... Never any issues getting lobbies for survivors over the past few months. Killer lobbies...this is where my wait is.
Yee... And the large portion of lobby simulator posts I see... Since I'm usually on these forums daily... Are those complaining about lobby dodging... Killers waiting over 10 minutes for survivors.
I rarely ever see a post about survivors not getting into killer lobbies unless they are in some country that doesn't have many players in it and they keep getting red ping lobbies, or dodged all the time cause they are in a SWF.
I find it interesting that Killers seem to rank up more fast then survivors. After a reset, if you rank up too fast as killer, you get long wait times until more survivors rank up. Yet with SWF being as big as it is in DBD.... Killers seem to do well against them after a reset when they can rank up too fast. Explain that one too me.
SWF are annoying to deal with, but so what? Get better, git gud as they say. Killers got some buffs which help at least a little bit. I play a lot of killer and I can say that now it's less about survivors making the wrong choices or luck and more about your own skill as a killer.
I think you should play more survivor to understand how they play, and learn how to counter them. Instead of getting angry over survivors playing together try to use your failures as experience to use in the future. I noticed you are only at rank 15, maybe the picture was taken right after the rank reset, if you start complaining at this rank you will never want to play this game again once you reach purple or even green ranks
hey everybody we got a live one!!!!
I'm alive!
EU, West America and Asian server want a word with you.
While there was indeed threads like you described, this is definitely not the "large majority" of of the threads about Lobby simulator.
Peoples could simply witness this by navigating between this forum and the Steam/Reddit ones.
THE PROBLEMS IS.
Buffing killers wont help, it will f$ck the game, because not every survivor plays swf. and playing solo is weaker for a FACT.
buffing the killers will make so fighting swf would be balanced, but fighting randos would be SUPER unfair.
the correct awnser would be either: buffing killers and solo survivors (leaving swf where they are).
Or
doing something about swf.
Or use better perks and learn how to counter swf
So mister @LCGaster
how does one counter swf?
If you see them bring flashlights or whatever use Franklin's Demise, they love their stuff and will run back to it wasting their time, if you are playing Hag put a trap on the item. If you see that the one you are chasing is extremely good and can't catch him just avoid him, go for someone else. Remember who has Dead Hard and once you're close wait for them to waste it, or lunge an instant after they use it, so once the animation ends you will hit them. Once you catch the DS user either wait for them to waste it staying still, bring Enduring, dribble them (Only when you are close to a hook) or walk backwards before they use it, you don't know how many times they run right in front of me right after. Remember that they can see the Red Stain, try to manipulate it by walking backwards, looking at walls, etc. to confuse them. The next one applies to me, I don't know if it would work for you, play all killers on rotation, learn some tricks, I skip a few of them because I either know I'm too bad with them or the killer himself is under powered. Play a lot of survivor, I was a survivor main, and a few months ago I became mostly a killer main, by playing survivor you will learn how to think like them and understand what their next move might be. If you have more questions just ask
With SWF the killer loses any element of surprise. This is bad because that’s something the game was balanced around the killer having.
I don't think I have used the element of surprise in a long time
Well sucks to be them then.
I've been under the assumption that EU and ASIA are 2 of the biggest populations, but I'm wrong. BHVR has gone out of it way to include Asian specific content into their game... has made some convention trips to Asian countries.. but since they have a low population.. why would they do that?
When I look during say 12 noon EST, I see the biggest size of the population during this time in DBD. Is that all Chinese players or EU?.... It isn't North America cause their peak times won't be till around 6 to 8 PM EST or evening time, which is when you will see a dip in the population. There is less people playing in North America during it's peak times then there are during its non peak times. So who is making up that other portion of the population?
Right now when I look I see over 27K playing an hour ago.. compared to a 35K 24-hour peak time, which that peak happens around... 10 to 11 am EST... So... Where is that population coming from in comparison to the North American population?
Yee... I navigate those on a daily basis.. Sorry not seeing what you see. The most of the posts I see on a daily basis are ones like this, where it is the same players over and over stroking each other with the SWF tissues.
@LCGaster buddy.
all that you've said there
is GREAT advice for playing agains't solos.
these are great mindgames and things that actually work, but just that alone wont do agains't SWF.
because they know eachother.
because after you go away from that "Extremely good" guy, he'll do gens.
and if you get mad and go after him, he'll tell his friends that you're chasing him.
and if you stop chasing him right after that he'll tell that to them too.
survivors aren't the only one to know these tricks you've stated above!
the time a solo survivor wastes is huge compared to swf.
SWF teams have an built in Kindred.
they know when to heal at the hook.
they also have bond built in.
depending on the situation they have Spinechill built in.
even premonition buit in.
They can organize perks to go on a full gen build.
toolboxes, prove thiself, and goes on.
how is that balanced? or are you goin to tell me to "git gud" like a p3 claudette main?
Still waiting for them to finally release this avatar :
Pretty sure some peoples would enjoy it, and would also totally fit.
Welp, it works for me
As I said to the other guy, it works well for me
Keep up with the condescending attitude you seems to share with a good portion of the survivor population.
That will definitely give to other peoples the will to play with you, of course.
Hence the current game's state.
No matter how much you all deny it
And here i am, tasting this sweet irony with a zest of karma
Same here, and i didn't see the same.
Now what ?
@LCGaster ok so do us a favor.
start playing the game instead of only seeing gameplays
and stop edgying with the Fancy text
Do I have to send a bloody video?
And I like my fancy text
@LCGaster
m8 you proved to be a scum of the forum, don't need anything from you other than the favor i asked above.
Now what?... Doesn't matter... Neither of us have anything to prove to one another. That is the way it is.
All I have to say is... "Suck it up buttercup, SWF is here to stay, don't like it, then don't play."
Remember this thread, so we can come back to it one day. I want to see which side will be disappointed.
To play the game or the text thing?
That's already the case no worries, and it looks like a bunch of peoples shared the same idea.
Agree, and i think it will come sooner than you think
So as i said @Spirit_Hag
Either the killers leave because playing agaisn't swf is unfair.
or the spoiled swf'ds get nerfed (making them leave).
you may think it is a choice based on wheter you like which side. but it acctualy isn't.
you see. playing agains't SWF on VOIP, that know every thing the killer is doing at all times before they even see it is just broken.
i wouldn't have to tell you this if you were competent enough to read the other comments.
sigh you know someone is feeling the heat when they have to not only resort to disrespecting another person on a forum, but dont take their own advice. You tell me to read others comments without even taking a look at what i said.
If you refer to point #5 in my comment, i stated that just because im paired with somebody, doesnt mean me and that other person will play optimally. Your speaking under the assumption that all SWF are super survivors who are guaranteed a an escape just because they are paired with someone and its just not the case.
It's not about punishing people. It's about balancing the game around features (voice chat and premade teams) that the game is currently not balanced around.
I have no problem if you want to play with friends. I just want fair and fun games.
Honestly, i feel like the way that the devs have designed their game, makes this discussion and infinite loop. Its hard to definitively say whats "fair" because both survivor and killer are played so differently and each game has so many variables that come into play. Skill level, experience, access to perks, internet connectivity and a list of other things can sway a match in either direction and can skew a persons perception on just how balanced or unbalanced this game is or isnt. Im not blind to the fact that swf gives an edge to survivors, but i cant help but feel like taking away access to perk slots wouldnt be viewed as fun for a survivor to play. What i CAN agree with, is not taking away a perk slot, but limiting which perks can be used. Maybe if theres more than 2 swf members there can be no DS or something like that. Even that sounds semi difficult to implement because i feel like the killer would have to be altered in some way to not get too much advantage but you see what im getting at lol
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/44286/swf-buffs/p1
They could make hex totems dirty and covered in blood to hide them better. Maybe allow the killer to ignite a dull totem to replace the cleansed hex. That would encourage people to cleanse totems and help slow down the game.
Add a mandatory secondary objective tied into the gens or exit gate. Make it so survivors have to collect 3 fuses before they can use an exit switch. Allow killers to regress the exit gate switch like they can with gens.
There’s a lot the devs could do without limiting perks. Killers already have to deal with Ruin and BBQ&Chili being mandatory on high ranks which limits their perk choice. I wouldn’t want survivors to experience something like that.
I play EU and get fast lobbies, this could be more a platform difference.
Yee.. didn't think EU was really having issues. I was being sarcastic to the other person cause they were speaking out of their ass.
You are a Prestige 3 Myers playing at rank 15 something doesn't add up. Are you deranking? Maybe deranking to smash NOOBS but instead having your lunch money stolen by swf?
@fcc2014 bro i got that image on google ######### LOL http://prntscr.com/mhjynn
yeah sure
Where's the git gud doctor meme when you need it?
Hmmm so you used a google images screen grab to help point out how OP swf are and why you lobby dodge?? You have the correct forum name for sure.
use the salt gif instead i find it works more effectively
Damn
brutal
I thought i was doing a public service by pointing it out.
did it in the best way possible
this conversation sounds fun
I could not have said it better Peanits. Many of us complain about SWF hit squads, but in my experience, those are far and few between. Most SWFs are not very good. I'm a bit of a softy and I tend to let some of them go if they played well, but just were not very good. Makes for fun convos after the game. I don't expect others to play that way, but it is how I have fun.