SWF is ruining my experience

pallet_eater

And you can't change my mind.

This game was designed so people can't communicate nor play with friends. See @ launch.

weirdkid5

@powerbats said:

@weirdkid5 said:

For one thing, it's a single player game so I'm not sure what kind of argument that is supposed to be. Every single game that exists on PC has a way to open a console command, even in DOOM 2016. No one who actually plays the game seriously will use that stuff. If someone wants to cheat in a single player game, that literally hurts no one. Mod support should always be a thing for single player games, like Fallout and GTA, where the devs directly support modding.

I merely pointed out you were using analogies as well.

Also DbD you used to have to buy DLC, but they changed it because it is more lucrative to sell cosmetics that can only be bought with money, which plenty exist.

Yet you can buy stuff with shards so that doesn't invalidate my point but reinforces it.

Not every cosmetic can bought with shards, some are exclusively paid for.

Except I can link you to a video of Mathieu Cote stating why this game was originally balanced around solo players. Here it is https://youtu.be/YH5jhyU6GjU

Except that's not the point, the devs always intended for swf to be a part of the game but they had to choose what made launch, KYF or SWF and they chose the former. That'd be the last devstream by the way.

This directly contradicts what Mathieu said here, which is closer to when the game actually released. Stating the game was always supposed to have SWF is damage control over the fact they didn't forsee the issues of it.

Dude the basic gameplay is trolling. Looping, which is widely recognized as an exploit, is a standard thing people use. That's nothing but trolling or using an exploitable hitbox to your advantage because you're bad at the game.

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The only one that's bad here is you, it's always excuses and the devs have stated quite clearly it's not an exploit. If you can't get someone that means the problem is you and since you're a survivor looping shouldn't bother you.

Except it is an exploit because the devs have stated the Killer's hitbox is supposed to be the same size in the past.

Incorrect. Killers in fact have a bigger hitbox and this makes looping way more effective than it should be. The devs have stated before this is unintentional. Good work proving you dont know your stuff.

Oh boo hoo the killers have a bigger hitbox well did it ever occur to you that you can angle your turns to chase better. Why is it Marth and other top tier killers manage to take corners pretty well but you as a survivor main can't seem to do it as a killer.

That's the point of having the bigger hitbox, you have to take a bigger angle, which negates the speed bonus Killers are supposed to have. This is why it is an exploit. Look, you are getting it.

Yet again you prove you're the only one here that doesn't know their stuff and after 2 years if you can't cut chases short that means the problem is you. I mean i learned how to chase better after just a few months but magically you after all this time can only make excuses.

Also the devs have nerfed and or removed some of the looping spots but darn those pesky facts.

Doesn't mean the problem still doesn't exist. It can be rectified by fixing Killer hitboxes, but they refused to do this.

I dont hide it because I literally stream all my matches homie lmao

So you stream all your matches well where's a link proving you play solo, where's the proof of you going perkless for a challenge, no items/addons. Where's the video of you playing killer so horribly so you can't make excuses when it's obvious you're the issue?

twirch.tv/weirdkid5

My Rank 1 Killer run is still up, and my solo perkless Survivor run has been deleted because I did that back in early 2017. Looks like I'll be doing it again, just for you buddy. I wouldn't wanna disappoint. In fact, I'm already Ranking up by the time you read this. Feel free to pop in and see my progress. I've done it once, I can easily do it again. I'd hate for you to tell me I'm using an "excuse" so I'll just do it again lol wonder if I can do it before the reset happens. The grind boutta be real.

Face a group like the Depip squad, who even the best Killers in the game were unable to defeat. Nearly 100 wins in a row, with many Killers being top level Killers. So you're better than ScottJund?

Best killers that's laughable and you know it, they even admitted they were facing baby killers quite often who were doing dailies. So don't lie and say top tier killers nonsense because we both know that's a flat out lie. Oh and nice fallacy there.

Lmao don't speak for them dawg, I'm direct friends with the Depip squad. You know not what you speak of.

That was during a free period lmao

You ignore when it wasn't though.

This game has never achieved that level of play outside of free weekends.

It peaked in Septmeber, during the end of the month when the game was free until the 25th of September. That's the only reason the pop hit 60k

Yet again you troll, it was above 10 all the way up to 30k at points during non FTP but hey lets not let actual facts get in the way of your trolling again.

Yeah, that's because of events. There are 30k during events, and 10k outside of events. Just watch the population after Winter Solstice ends.

The bottom line your 10k claim is false.

Hmmm no it isn't. Outside of events, especially in mid 2017, the population fluctuated in the low 10ks.

It was during a free trial period.

Again stop trolling and ignoring the days it wasn't FTP where it went over 10k.

Yeah, during events.

Because 30k people play during events. Otherwise 10k people are playing. The other 20k likely only play during events.

That's not what I asked for and you know it, you made up data and extrapolated it to fit your biased narrative. Where's your hard and fast actual data saying people are leaving? You claimed people left the game not that they were playing other games possibly.

It's called correlating what is on steamcharts to when events are released lmao

If people were actually leaving the game they wouldn't be coming back and playing at anytime not even during an event.

Wrong. I always come back during events, but play minimally any other time.

During a free trial period.

Again with the trolling, the stats clearly show there were people playing during non event times over 10k.

Nope.

BHVR said 1.5 million people were playing, but did the game go free during that time?.Because of it did, then there's your obvious answer as to why 1.5 million people played at ONE time. Same goes for the 60k on PC. Notice during this event there is still no where near that count. And by the way, the Pestulla event was universally hated, so people certainly didn't play it for the reasons of it being enjoyable, only to grind out 2 free cosmetics.

Hmmn over 4 million paid copies of the game and somehow magically none of those paid copies played the game. If peak pc was 60k and consoles were both equal that's only 180k yet we had over 1.5 million playing during the event.

Lifetime sales don't matter consider the population still doesnt rise much above 10k outside of events

If we use your failed logic we'd have to assume that none of those over 4 million paid copies of the game logged in during the event.

Except they dont. Because this game has never had more than 60k people at any given time on steam.

It was a free trial period dawg. Which was one of my arguments as well. You seemed to leave that out and focused on the event aspect of my argument. Good work.

So you said free trial, doesn't change the fact that people were also playing who OWNED THE GAME or did the fact over 4 million copies of the game have been sold escape you? Now since over 4 million copies of the game have been sold an event will of course have more paid players playing then free.

So where are the 4 million people playing the game?

But hey don't let those facts get in the way of your trolling again just remember 4 MILLION PAID COPIES shoots your ftp claims full of holes.

Except the 60k was still during a free event tho.

No one enjoyed it if you actually paid attention to the forums during Pestualla.

I did and there were a lot of people that liked the event, their problem was the queues due to people playing one side exclusively. You know the queue issues that pop up from time to time that makes people hate the events?

No, the problem was people would get their vial, and then just suicide because it was much faster than playing the full match. This is the problem with the event. Just cause you and your friends enjoyed doesnt mean the community did.

But if no one liked it why were there posts saying positive things about it, I mean if no one liked it then obviously all the positive thread were complete illusions.

There can be positive things in the event but the gameplay was wretched.

Yeah those pesky queue times that were why people hated the event so much not because the event was bad. But again you can't acknowledge the actual facts since that gets in the way of your biased and false narrative.

"Actual facts" so you just ignored the Steam forums during pestulla I guess.

Yknow it's funny you mentioned ad hominem earlier when you started calling me a troll long before I called you a corporate shill lmao

Well that's funny your very 1st response to me contained this gem, now who started insulting whom 1st again?

Except that was the second reply I made to you, the first one had no "ad hominems" but you actually began to question my "skill as a player" which is an actual ad hominem argument. You are attacking me, rather than the argument I am presenting and dismissing it because of my "lack of skill." This is literally what an ad hominem is. Calling you a shill is calling you for what you are, that has no bearing on your actual argument.

But hey, that's what's good for the business, so obviously someone who favors this kind of playstyle will fall back to the business argument, the weakest and saddest argument that could be made when it comes to video games.

I can guarantee you, by the devs own stats, 70% of games have SWF groups in them and nearly every survivor loops.

I can make up stats about looping too like I can say nearly every killer camps.

Except the 70% stat isn't made up, it was in a devstream in the past.

You can't improve against mechanics that literally are stacked against you and continue to favor only Hillbilly and Nurse.

Yet plenty of people play killers other than those and do fine but you somehow magically after 2 years can't adapt.

Tell that to ScottJund vs Depip squad.

Oh look, a screenshot with no video context to go along with it. I can pull out many screenshots of me killing at Rank 1 as well as various games at Rank 1 if you'd like. You aren't impressive.

Oh look more deflections and Ad Hominems.

That isn't an ad hominem because a screenshot has no context behind it. It's meaningless. I have plenty of Rank 1 Screenshots on my steam as well, which is the same name as here.

Lmao considering the game has no viable way for rhe Killer to counter voice chat, I'd like to see how you adapt to SWF outside of killing as quickly as possible and tunneling.

It's called planning ahead, using your brain, adapting your tactics to the moment, playing smart, minimizing your mistakes and causing them to make some. It's called actually playing well and not coming to the forums making up excuses while stating you're a survivor main yet making killer based excuses.

"Planning ahead" and "minimizing mistakes" mean nothing against Survivors who play flawlessly. I guess Trapper would be on top of the game if he just "planned ahead" but even I have a Rank 1 Trapper friend that acknowledges Trapper is absolute doo doo.

Just because most of the Survivor population is hot garbage and don't fully utilize their entire kit to their disposal doesn't mean the potential doesn't exist. Keep in mind the depip squad had 100 wins in a row as Survivors with NO PERKS and NO VOICE CHAT even against top levels like ScottJund brodie.

Yes again with the fallacy, as stated above that was a biased experiment that was against killer doing dailies including as Marth even said BABY KILLERS.

Please.state where he said this, because I belong to a Discord with Marth88 and the members of the Squad in it.

Another no context screenshot that's useless. I asked for videos of your gameplay, not screenshots that show only highlights against likely garbage survivors.

So more excuses and deflections, nothing new there.

Not a deflection because screenshots don't mean anything for proving skill.

Stop using words you don't know how to properly use.

I know enough about using them to irritate you because you can't refute them otherwise you'd not use that troll response.

Except you don't.

You use the word fallacy while referring to free weekends as your reason why a lot of people play the game LOLOLOL

Well that was just sad, lets see oh yeah OVER 4 MILLION PAID COPIES OF THe GAME HAVE BEEN SOLD. See I even bolded it for you so you couldn't miss it. That means that most people playing during events or FTP are more than likely PAID USERS.

Yeah not even 100k play during event times. Kinda strange, where'd the other 3,900,000 players go?

Oh and PSN users got it for free if they PAID FOR AN UPGRADED MEMBERSHIP.

So that takes away from your 4 million sold statistic, since a free copy sold still counts as a sold copy.

Too bad DbD was in fact free at the end or Septemeber, which is when the peak of 60k happened. Try doing a little research https://www.gamesear.com/news/the-multiplayer-horror-game-dead-by-daylight-is-free-to-try-out-on-steam-until-september-25th

Too bad it had over 10k during a non event but nice try ignoring that oh and see above about the OVER 4 MILLION PAID COPIES.

Such as when? This game still has never had over 60k outside of a free event, despite supposedly having sold millions of copies.

Sounds to me like I need to come out of retirement, because I already the top levels a long time ago.

It sounds to me you need to stop making excuses.

It isn't an excuse when I literally said Im coming out of retirement lmao DbD streaming will resume the 3rd, aka today.

Except I hit Rank 1 long before it become a cakewalk to do so.

Ok post a screenshot of it and don't use the save data excuse since everyone knows you always backup client side.

Ok, here is a YouTube video of me hitting Rank 1 Survivor back in 2016, by the way, screenshots still don't mean jack for showing skill. Footage of me hitting Rank 1 Killer is on my twitch.

https://youtu.be/Xa1-BFNG1OE

I literally already explained stopping the chase doesn't help but you ignored my argument. Stopping the chase just allows the guy to self heal, and that still leaves 2 other survivors on gens when you find the other guy, and the guy you stopped chasing before is now healed and on his own gen.

No I ignored your trolling since you're saying you're a survivor main and yet making killer excuses at the same time. You can stop the chase and move off then go back and smack the person healing. also a person healing isn't on gens which is what you as a killer wants.

Because I'm a survivor who understands how broken the game is. I know you lack empathy, but it's ok. I know it boggles the mind to think there is a Survivor that understands survivors are overpowered. And going back to smack the healing guy? Sounds like something you need to be Nurse or Billy to effectively and reliably pull off, who commit a slot to Nurses Calling.

Stopping the chase is exactly what loopers what you to do because the moment you do it, the Killer loses the game.

Yet more excuses 1st it's not stopping the chase loses you the game, now it's stopping the chase loses you the game. Why not make up your mind which is it then since I've got no problems breaking off chases when I need to and not losing the game on average.

Post a video and prove your skill.

I hit Rank 1 Survivor perkless a long time ago without using any items fam. It really isn't that hard. Would you like me to do it again? I'll stream every single match like I did before.

Go right ahead and prove you're doing it and link it here.

See above.

Except again, I already played to Rank 1 Killer perkless wearing bright Meg clothes. If I didn't lose my save, I would have worn my Legacy Prestige while doing it as well just to mock you further. But alas, the devs thought it was a good idea to make the save data for a multiplayer game save client side rather than server side, up until about 8 months ago or so.

Oh I had legacy P3 with all achievement unlocked before I even bought the game but if my save hadn't gotten corrupted i'd mock you with it. I can make things up as well and anyone that knows how important save data is when it's client side BACKS IT UP.

Except the game didn't use to save server side, and it wasn't widely known that the data saved client side until this issues popped up, around when Hag came out. It was already too late before I learned, so it's my fault the devs are shortsighted? Makes sense. Here's that screenshot by the way, you can see Legacy Meg's head here, you can also check my achievements to see I earned Prestige 3 back before the cut off date. Stop yourself buddy. And before you use my screenshot argument against me, I'm not proving my skill here. Just that I owned Legacy 3 Meg, (you can also see I was Rank 2 at this time, but a disconnect happened by the Killer)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=813730032

Here is the screenshot of when I lost my data. It is impossible to have a Level 0 character outside of a bug.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=814772444

Except it is factual because I can do simple math. It takes 2 and a half to 3 minutes to get the game finished as survivors, and based on Killer's movement speeds and looping, no Killer except Nurse and Billy can win without the survivors simply making massive mistakes that any decent player wouldn't make.

Again making up facts then using them to bolster your argument shows you have none since if you're having to use only the best case scenario for your argument it just proves you have one. Then yet again if your best case scenario doesn't work you use more excuses to justify why it doesn't work.

It isn't a best case scenario, it's how the game works. Back them up with facts? Watch the depip squad get all 3 gens done in a single minute then. Also your baby Killer excuse is just that, an excuse. Everytime you see something that proves against you, you just deflect that thing with lack of skill arguments.

Except in Smash Ultimate every character that was released before is in the game. No Smash game besides Smash 4 had DLC characters, and all DLC characters for Ultimate will be brand new. Good work not knowing what you're talking about, again.

You still have to buy a new game, DBD you buy a game and can get all DLC FREE except for the licensed stuff. But hey lets not let facts get in the way of your trolling again. Oh and it's only available on Nintendo not Xbox, not Playstation and not PC.

And yet still Smash outsells more than a measley 4 million copies on one console alone. So what if you have to buy a new game? That's what a sequel is bro. And there are also still cosmetics you have to buy, and cosmetic packs you cannot earn in game.

But would you imagine that DBD is available on all 3 of those platforms so your comparison to a single console exclusive release just went up in flames.

Except you're wrong, because Smash Ultimate sold 3 million copies in 11 days ON AMAZON ALONE, while DbD "sold" (including people who got it free through Plus) 4.5 in 2 years. This doesnt even include Gamestop sales and sales made on the Switch itself, which definitely will take it to over 4.5 million. And it has now been longer than 11 days, so I can 100% guarantee Smash has already outsold DbD ON A SINGLE CONSOLE. And this is because they take community feedback seriously and evolve the game with each iteration.

https://gamerant.com/super-smash-bros-ultimate-amazon-best-selling-game-2018/

@brokedownpalace said:
@weirdkid5 are you still pretending to be a survivor main or have you dropped the act?

Sounds to me like I gotta come out of retirement. Not sure how the 600 of the 800 hours I've played as Survivor somehow doesn't make me a Survivor main.

For someone that claims to be a survivor main you're making up an awful lot of killer main excuses.

Just means I know the game is flawed even as a Survivor. Welcome to your fabled "ad hominem" argument. Since I'm saying the game is busted, I MUST be a Killer main, there is NO WAY a survivor would ever say these things, right?

Hypocrite.

Demonsouls1993

pallet_eater said:

And you can't change my mind.

This game was designed so people can't communicate nor play with friends. See @ launch.

Welcome to survivor entitlement they get their way and killers get the finger

TheBean

This is why this whole thing is a dead horse... beating it over and over...

2 pages of rehashed requoted trash on these threads.

fcc2014

@pallet_eater first off i like your forum name very clever. They can't and won't remove swf from the game. They would not want to harm the player base especially with the new announced 5 year commitment to the game. To support that you need new players coming in and money.

Cardgrey

I’d honestly be shocked if Swf didn’t exist I consider this in the mmo category kinda...I think it’s awsome u can play with your friends... that said I have a issue with forcing someone to play against a group they don’t want too not to sound like ea but player choice!