Survivors being able to take the game hostage is a problem.

SmolBlob

Survivors hiding and refusing to work on generators is against the rules because it is refusal to participate in normal gameplay and taking the game hostage, and it can potentially lead to a ban.

It doesn't happen often, but when it does, it's a genuine major issue. The only option is to video record evidence and report them after the game ends to hopefully get them banned, but that doesn't help while you're still stuck in said game until it ends.

There needs to be some sort of measure to prevent this kind of thing from happening. It can easily cause a match to go on for 20-40+ minutes of a useless goose hunt for survivors that could be hiding almost anywhere in the map.

It is ridiculous to expect running specific perks or add-ons or playing specific killers that are better for dealing with this kind of situation just in case the survivors decide to play in a literally game-breaking manner. It is also unreasonable to expect the killer to spend an insane amount of time to pore over literally every single part of the map part-by-part to check every single bush, locker, corner, etc to find survivors that are intentionally preventing the AFK crow from taking effect.

RainehDaze

@Xendritch said:

https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3312616#Comment_3312616

It's called making a grid and it's not that hard.

The flaw in that is it assumes the Survivors don't move. Shockingly, if they aren't triggering idle crows, they are in fact doing that.

It's almost like the stealth aspects of the game are made with the assumption that Survivors will at some point have to do something attention grabbing in order to win. And if they don't, there is absolutely nada that a Killer can do at that point to find them (the few info perks that would help in such a situation being impossible to swap in mid game, obviously).

Also, as you have been told multiple times: it's BHVR's own policy that refusing to do gens because you're waiting for the other Survivor to die so you can get out is holding the game hostage and against the rules. So, do gens. Or go find a singleplayer game to enjoy.

Reinami

@Ryuhi said:

https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3312160#Comment_3312160

Refusing to participate and preventing the game from progressing are literally against the game's rules. They are nuanced to separate legitimate and illegitimate cases, but the devs and community manager have chimed in on this multiple times across multiple topics. That said, this is similar to 3 gen defending in that avoiding being found is considered different from continuously doing nothing and hiding for extended periods of time, which is why people need to be less hyperbolic when discussing it in any incarnation.

https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3312162#Comment_3312162

You die if the server shuts down, just like you die if the EGC ends. You have to make at least some effort to continue the game if you are actually attempting your goal to survive. Again, this is where the nuance in trying to outlast a 3rd survivor ranges from legitimate to illegitimate: If the amount of time involved with zero interaction is excessive, both survivors are guilty. With the solo indicators being added this excuse will become even weaker, as you will have a lot more information on what your teammate is doing. If you see they are in chase and still refuse to work on gens for example, you are not attempting your objective.

It would be better if the game simply made it impossible to do that. Why is body blocking (like the actual abusive kind) still a thing? Why can survivors hide on red forest for 30 minutes without touching a gen? Why not make it so if you body block someone for say, 15 seconds, they lose collision so they can walk through you? Why not make it so if survivors don't progress the game after x amount of minutes, that they just start getting crows?

Because right now, if requires me to record a video, then report them out of the game, then hope that something actually gets done, but it doesn't fix the problem for me when i am experiencing it. Better to just make it not possible, then to make it something you punish people for.

Sava18

@jajay119 said:

https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3311601#Comment_3311601

This wouldn't work - survivors would just tap gens, tap boons, get in and out of lockers to remain active.

The issue of survivors 'holding the game hostage' is a response, in the main, to the current trend by killers of trying to slug for the 4K, not counting the evident trolling example mentioned above which is an extremely rare occurrence.

Whilst refusing to work on gens properly is a massive annoyance to killers, I'm sure, it's something that is happening because killers are camping player 3 who is down and using them as bait then periodically running off to find player 4 and doing gens just enables that you to be found quicker - especially when there is an insurmountable amount of gens for 1 or 2 people to do (in general if 2 of your team are gone with three 3 gens remaining, you aren't getting out and once people know this stop bothering there and then).

So, to resolve this situation it needs to address the issues that both sides are facing and causing, it's not just a case of 'survivors are holding the game hostage' because in the vast majority of cases when this happens, and it's not as rare as the OP suggests imo by using these parameters and that's coming from someone who is a survivor main - it's actually REALLY common, it's in response to killers slugging for the 4K.

There is a persistent pattern on this forum of blaming one side for things when both sides need to be examined - the last time this was the case was the whole 'Dead Hard' meta. Killers were blaming their need to tunnel and camp on the overuse of Dead Hard by survivors; completely ignorant of the fact that, as someone who has been around since 2016 but who have never used DH and just observed the situation, DH had seen a rise over the years in response to camping and tunneling (proven by the fact that despite the DH nerf and massive killer buffs they still C&T massively) and it was a vicious cycle both sides contributed to.

I don't slug for the 4k so when in the rare games it happens it wasn't because of me according to you. And if they did that because of the killer in their last game that's like me going against a 4-man bnp squad and then running iri tag alch ring the next game.

Survivor hides and takes the game hostage = it's because of slugging for the 4k.

Take accountability my guys. I don't want to see these people when I play survivor or killer they are actively throwing and ruining that game.

People making these threads probably aren't slugging for the 4k.

This situation needs to be addressed directly and game health won't fix it.

jajay119

@Sava18 said:

https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3311768#Comment_3311768

I don't slug for the 4k so when in the rare games it happens it wasn't because of me according to you. And if they did that because of the killer in their last game that's like me going against a 4-man bnp squad and then running iri tag alch ring the next game.

Survivor hides and takes the game hostage = it's because of slugging for the 4k.

Take accountability my guys. I don't want to see these people when I play survivor or killer they are actively throwing and ruining that game.

People making these threads probably aren't slugging for the 4k.

This situation needs to be addressed directly and game health won't fix it.

I'm not accusing you directly. If you don't do it, then you shouldn't feel that I am. I don't even feel like you read my full post which was, I feel, very balanced both in favour of killers and survivors. Addressing both non slug scenarios and slug scenarios and how we need to address both separately. I agree that the situation needs to be dealt with and soon - but saying it's only one specific situation focusing on how it negatively impacts one side alone won't fix anything.

jotaro

But what about guarding 3gens as killer and refusing to take chases? I've had games like these last for almost an hour, with the killer not downing anyone and just camping the 3gen with all the gen regression perks, such as overcharge.. its very annoying and should be considered the same thing as survivors hiding. Both are a problem

burt0r

@jotaro said:

But what about guarding 3gens as killer and refusing to take chases? I've had games like these last for almost an hour, with the killer not downing anyone and just camping the 3gen with all the gen regression perks, such as overcharge.. its very annoying and should be considered the same thing as survivors hiding. Both are a problem

Nice whataboutism, we are discussion the hiding scenario, yours has another thread a few days ago and was confirmed as also reportable for hostage taking.

StarLost

@Xendritch said:

https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3312349#Comment_3312349

You can bring Whispers and still have room for Eruption, CoB and Overcharge so I don't think it's that unreasonable. If survivors have to bring Unbreakable to avoid slugging, killers can bring Whispers to find immersed survivors.

Whispers sounds like a solution to this, but it...really isn't.

It might help you on some maps, but on most of the newer ones it becomes a situation of 'oh thanks, now which of the 1758 bushes, lockers and hidey-holes in this square area contains that Claudette and can I find her before she just relocates?' situation. You vastly underestimate how impossible it can be to find survivors that are making their only goal to hide for as long as possible.

Plus, that's like telling survivors that facecamping is completely fine pre 6.1.0 and that they should just be running Kinship baseline. 'You could always run a niche perk that's useless in 99% of situations in case that one fringe but completely obnoxious situation arises' is not a good solution.

Again - this is a very odd hill to die on. The fact that there is an exploit that negates AFK crows and this has been in the game for years probably means it's not easy to fix, but that doesn't mean it's not a problem - especially since it's finally been spread around by a specific streamer.

@jotaro said:

But what about guarding 3gens as killer and refusing to take chases? I've had games like these last for almost an hour, with the killer not downing anyone and just camping the 3gen with all the gen regression perks, such as overcharge.. its very annoying and should be considered the same thing as survivors hiding. Both are a problem

This is literally just whataboutism.

Yes, that's a problem too. But we're not talking about that here. There are other threads about 3gen hostage situations.

WesCravenFan

PUBG closing storm mechanic WHEN?!

Rizzo

Let's keep the discussion civil, thank you.

SmolBlob

@WesCravenFan said:

PUBG closing storm mechanic WHEN?!

At this point I'd take almost anything just so I never have to deal with this absurdity ever again.