BBQ& Chili & WGLF Bonus Points

M4dBoOmr

did bhvr forgot why those perks had bonus points?

Killers are now slugging way more

Survivors are not going for Unhooks as before

weird coincidence 😂🤣

Phasmamain

I don’t think they realised how much BBQ actually incentivised killers to go after other survivors. I feel like there’s no reason to not tunnel anymore besides your own fun

Neprašheart

BHVR and players, who do play as a survivor exclusively were convinced that players do use those perks, mainly BBQ, for their effects and not for the bonus bloodpoints.. Even though the overwhelming majority of the community has been literally telling them so for years.

My guess is, they have wanted an excuse to keep players playing the game more frequently.. Resulting in higher money incomes.

tensu950

Those bonuses needed to be added in the base kit, I agree having them tied to a perk was bad but the play style they encouraged was good.

ZVom

We tried to signal these problems but nobody actually gave a fck. Now killers will camp even more without ANNY incentive to go for another survivor. Good job!

I posted it in the meantime of facecamping as bubba. The surv is still on the hook.

Removal of BP feels fine :>

Seraphor

Yes we need these bonuses in the game somehow, even at a reduced capacity.

@Seraphor said:

1. Raising the BP category caps from 8k to 10k is great, but it raises an issue. The Survival and Sacrifice categories are notoriously stingy when it comes to what actions provide BP score events for these, pretty much being tailored specifically to optimal performance plus escaping, or getting 10+ hooks and a 4K. Those extra 2,000 BP are going to be very difficult to obtain.
2. BBQ and WGLF's BP bonuses provided an incentive to play in a fairer healthier way. Spreading hooks out amongst survivors instead of camping/tunneling, and in aiding your team mates instead of leaving them to fend for themselves.

So, there seems to be a clear solution here. Introduce new BP score events that replicate the effects of the BBQ/WGLF BP bonuses.

Survivor: The first four times you; unhook a survivor, heal a survivor to healthy, recover a survivor form the dying state, take a protection hit, you score a bonus 500 BP in the Survival category.

Killer: Each time a survivor is hooked for the first time, you score a bonus 500 BP in the Sacrifice category.

ZVom

@Seraphor said:

Yes we need these bonuses in the game somehow, even at a reduced capacity.

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/334080/new-bp-caps-and-replacement-for-bbq-wglf

we need much bigger bonuses rather than 500 bp. I would say at least 10x of that. 10k BP for first unhook, 5k bp per first hook, 1k for hitting a survivor at least 40m away from the last hook etc.

Seraphor

@ZVom said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3073801#Comment_3073801

we need much bigger bonuses rather than 500 bp. I would say at least 10x of that. 10k BP for first unhook, 5k bp per first hook, 1k for hitting a survivor at least 40m away from the last hook etc.

That's nuts. The highest score event for anything is 5k and that's escaping. 10k is the maximum of a category, so you wouldn't even feel that 10k as it would be consumed by the category cap anyway.

This suggestion would award you an additional 2k for doing these tasks, allowing you to max out the Survival/Sacrifice category, and would be multiplied by any other bonuses.

The point isn't the amount, it's the incentive. These bonuses would be the only way of maxing out those two categories, so anyone looking to make a good score would know they would have to spread out hooks and rescue their team mates.

ZVom

@Seraphor said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3073811#Comment_3073811

That's nuts. The highest score event for anything is 5k and that's escaping. 10k is the maximum of a category, so you wouldn't even feel that 10k as it would be consumed by the category cap anyway.

This suggestion would award you an additional 2k for doing these tasks, allowing you to max out the Survival/Sacrifice category, and would be multiplied by any other bonuses.

The point isn't the amount, it's the incentive. These bonuses would be the only way of maxing out those two categories, so anyone looking to make a good score would know they would have to spread out hooks and rescue their team mates.

it makes the game farming focused which it was before and it was bad ( well it still is going to be farming simulator since grind is nowhere near "good" state, it's rather abysmal)

those suggested bonuses should be applied post-trial, just like BBQ and WGLF

SweetTerror

As others have stated, BBQ incentivizes killers to seek out other survivors. When I played killer and I saw the auras of someone in the distance that I hadn't hooked yet, I was definitely eager to go that direction. But removing the bonus definitely incentivizes killers to camp more than ever now.

Mr_K

Survivors ran WGLF? 😯

UnknownKiller

@tensu950 said:

Those bonuses needed to be added in the base kit, I agree having them tied to a perk was bad but the play style they encouraged was good.

Well I suppose that with incentives they killed 2 birds with one shot.

If you want bp play the role people are the less.

Tizzle

The bonus has actually increased for the side that has the least players now even at 25% with offerings, no need for a perk.

MrPeanutbutter

@M4dBoOmr said:

did bhvr forgot why those perks had bonus points?

Killers are now slugging way more

Survivors are not going for Unhooks as before

weird coincidence 😂🤣

I’d be very happy overall with this update if BHVR would admit their mistake and restore the BP bonuses for these perks. Nobody was asking for the BP bonuses to be removed and nobody considered the bonuses a problem at all

BenSanderson55

@Tizzle said:

The bonus has actually increased for the side that has the least players now even at 25% with offerings, no need for a perk.

They're saying with old BBQ it encouraged killers to hook all 4 survivors to get more BPs, now without it killer has no reason not to tunnel or camp.

mischiefmanaged

@Neprašheart said:

BHVR and players, who do play as a survivor exclusively were convinced that players do use those perks, mainly BBQ, for their effects and not for the bonus bloodpoints.. Even though the overwhelming majority of the community has been literally telling them so for years.

My guess is, they have wanted an excuse to keep players playing the game more frequently.. Resulting in higher money incomes.

Yes this is exactly it. It makes total sense that BHVR believes that killers mostly used it for the aura reading. So when they stated they wanted the perk to be used less, they took away the aura reading so killers wouldn't use it as frequently.

Wait literally the exact opposite of that.

"BHVR are survivor mains and only play survivor lol" just give me a break. It's not ok to harass the developers just because you play a game they work on.

Neprašheart

@Mr_K said:

Survivors ran WGLF? 😯

Yes.. Well, I was. To my surprise, most of the players I've played with have had the META perks exclusively, even ignoring Kindred for Solo Queue, which is crazy. I was the only one to run WGLF in Solo Queue, but the increase of WGLF has increased in SWF as I've noticed when playing as a killer.