nerfing the dire crows of Artist

i suggest remove the directional aim assistance of dire crows placement of the artist.

this assistance gives her a good advantage of placement and hitting survivors correctly.

Besides, the first person POV is already your guide. Even nurse and twins has an add on for aim assistance that.

Comments

  • As far as I know Artist isn’t overperforming other killers, she doesn’t need her anti-loop nerfed.

  • shes not overperforming because shes technically new. you cannot have a good comparison towards 2016 killers.

    shes the only who can pressure survivors from AFAR. together with other perks like pain resonance, pentimento, ruin, and other gen slowing perks, shes can be really good at maintaining pressure around the map without even trying.

    her power used as an anti-loop is actually worst because like its powers, it is a ANTI-LOOP, you are forcing a survivor into an open with no consequences.

  • besides, im not actually nerfing her power. i want it to tone down. her aim assistance gives her a good advantage of aiming CORRECTLY. at least give her a benefit of the doubt to use SKILLS TO AIM.

  • Wel usually new killer overperform a lot because the counterplays aren't known.

    The FIRST FREDDY overperformed! If she is not overperforming while she is new.... well.... dark future for the artist.

  • How exactly is she going to be weak without her aim assistance? please explain.

    because NURSE, TWINS, CLOWN, TRICKSTER, HUNTRESS, EXECUTIONER, NEMESIS, all range attacks without any aim asssitance as base kit.

    And mind you, if say FIRST FREDDY OVERPERFORMED: a lot of players whined he's too weak, thus, the he was reworked.

  • I'm pretty sure she gets aim assist because she fires her birds seconds after placing them, and their flight paths don't track from the center of your screen like every other ranged killer in the game.

    This isn't even a nerf to what she can do, this is just a QoL reduction. I can't understand why you'd want something like that to happen other than spite.

  • So what's your buff suggestion to keep her balanced? We don't want 3rd Billy

  • @jeremycarinio said:

    i suggest remove the directional aim assistance of dire crows placement of the artist.

    this assistance gives her a good advantage of placement and hitting survivors correctly.

    Besides, the first person POV is already your guide. Even nurse and twins has an add on for aim assistance that.

    Its because her ability looked at as trap. She is comparable to freddy snares, trapper traps, demo portal which all have aim assist/visual indicators for placement for obvious reasons. She is trap killer that changes her traps into flying projectiles.

    Its more of question for why survivors have aura-reading on her birds because I do not know any killer projectile power that works like that. I guess you could argue pyramid head but he is not aura reading. I'd consider his from particle effect/nature of ability. I don't like his either, I think his should just be the spikes coming at you with no lines to side, it would be fit more horror-real theme like. If pyramid head ever get add-on pass, this could be an ultra-rare add-on as it would make it harder to dodge his ranged attack which would be fitting.

  • @Laluzi said:

    I'm pretty sure she gets aim assist because she fires her birds seconds after placing them, and their flight paths don't track from the center of your screen like every other ranged killer in the game.

    This isn't even a nerf to what she can do, this is just a QoL reduction. I can't understand why you'd want something like that to happen other than spite.

    "flight paths dont track from the center" ? have you tried playing her? her dire crows are literally faces forward at the center of killer POV. how hard that can be.

    and back at you, how does it reduce the QoL? her aim assist is not even necessary to begin with. you have your POV at center, just like how a skilled huntress does it, is it?

    @landromat said:

    So what's your buff suggestion to keep her balanced? We don't want 3rd Billy

    uhmmm no more? she is already a killer with a lot of power to give information, and power to injure at a long distance. why would you still want to buff her?

    @ThatOneDemoPlayer said:

    Nerf her because...?

    i dont see removing her aim assist as nerfing her? a lot of killers does not even have this aim assist to correctly aim at survivors, thats pure skill. besides, the idle crows' silhouette should be enough for you how did you place your crows, and that takes 100% skill. unlike relying on that aim assist, you can even place it without consequences, as her crows recover fast.

    @Devil_hit11 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/308709/nerfing-the-dire-crows-of-artist

    Its because her ability looked at as trap. She is comparable to freddy snares, trapper traps, demo portal which all have aim assist/visual indicators for placement for obvious reasons. She is trap killer that changes her traps into flying projectiles.

    Its more of question for why survivors have aura-reading on her birds because I do not know any killer projectile power that works like that. I guess you could argue pyramid head but he is not aura reading. I'd consider his from particle effect/nature of ability. I don't like his either, I think his should just be the spikes coming at you with no lines to side, it would be fit more horror-real theme like. If pyramid head ever get add-on pass, this could be an ultra-rare add-on as it would make it harder to dodge his ranged attack which would be fitting.

    AURA READING ON BIRDS? really? you can only see the birds MID FLIGHT, based on how far a survivor is, no time enough to react. besides you cant even see her idle crows.

    Freddy snares, is technically 1m away from kliller to assist location, trapper traps are good MID gaming(based if youre really good at location spots), DEMO, oh gawd, demo is the worst as it only gives him mobility, it does not even help him with gen pressure.

    "SHE IS A TRAP KILLER THAT CHANGES HER TRAPS INTO FLYING PROJECTILES", and thats exactly why she is deadly when played correctly. she is a killer designed to create a map presure, gen pressure, power to injure, while camping, is at best, which other killers dont have.

  • A nerf I would give to the artist would be to allow survivors to keep their repel bar neutral and not reset after vaulting or dropping a pallet. I mean, if you’re injured and you’re in chase with her you’re going to go down quickly easily because she’s 115 m/s, there’s bloodlust, and her power can go through walls so if you don’t repel she’ll snipe you, if you do repel she’s probably ready to land a hit on you. I see it as a lose/lose situation because at least with other anti-loop killers you have chance to get a vault and not get punished.

  • @jeremycarinio said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2789323#Comment_2789323

    "flight paths dont track from the center" ? have you tried playing her? her dire crows are literally faces forward at the center of killer POV. how hard that can be.

    and back at you, how does it reduce the QoL? her aim assist is not even necessary to begin with. you have your POV at center, just like how a skilled huntress does it, is it?

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2789375#Comment_2789375

    uhmmm no more? she is already a killer with a lot of power to give information, and power to injure at a long distance. why would you still want to buff her?

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2789478#Comment_2789478

    i dont see removing her aim assist as nerfing her? a lot of killers does not even have this aim assist to correctly aim at survivors, thats pure skill. besides, the idle crows' silhouette should be enough for you how did you place your crows, and that takes 100% skill. unlike relying on that aim assist, you can even place it without consequences, as her crows recover fast.

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2789856#Comment_2789856

    AURA READING ON BIRDS? really? you can only see the birds MID FLIGHT, based on how far a survivor is, no time enough to react. besides you cant even see her idle crows.

    Freddy snares, is technically 1m away from kliller to assist location, trapper traps are good MID gaming(based if youre really good at location spots), DEMO, oh gawd, demo is the worst as it only gives him mobility, it does not even help him with gen pressure.

    "SHE IS A TRAP KILLER THAT CHANGES HER TRAPS INTO FLYING PROJECTILES", and thats exactly why she is deadly when played correctly. she is a killer designed to create a map presure, gen pressure, power to injure, while camping, is at best, which other killers dont have.

    Yeah, I play Artist. And if you only fire birds right after you place them, you're not doing a great job of playing her. Not saying you'll never do that, it's fairly common, but that's only half her kit. The other times, you're setting up birds facing different ways at loops, or creating a spread that you'll chase a survivor into after you follow them around a structure. The visible flight path assists that because their trajectory no longer matches where your PoV is facing. You've shifted position. You can extrapolate from the exact direction the bird is facing, but depending on where you are, the bird may no longer even be on your screen. Hence, flight paths.

    In the cases where you're placing a bird straight ahead because you think the survivor's about to drop a pallet, and then you're firing as fast as you can click - yeah, you don't need the aim box. But I don't think that's what it's for.

    This is just a really weird point for you to harp on, especially when the Artist isn't an especially strong killer in the first place. She's good, but not "nerf this immediately!" good, and you're not even suggesting a practical nerf to her capabilities, just one that makes her harder for new players to pick up. Which I could understand if she was something like Nurse-tier, but she's not.

  • @jeremycarinio said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2789323#Comment_2789323

    "flight paths dont track from the center" ? have you tried playing her? her dire crows are literally faces forward at the center of killer POV. how hard that can be.

    and back at you, how does it reduce the QoL? her aim assist is not even necessary to begin with. you have your POV at center, just like how a skilled huntress does it, is it?

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2789375#Comment_2789375

    uhmmm no more? she is already a killer with a lot of power to give information, and power to injure at a long distance. why would you still want to buff her?

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2789478#Comment_2789478

    i dont see removing her aim assist as nerfing her? a lot of killers does not even have this aim assist to correctly aim at survivors, thats pure skill. besides, the idle crows' silhouette should be enough for you how did you place your crows, and that takes 100% skill. unlike relying on that aim assist, you can even place it without consequences, as her crows recover fast.

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2789856#Comment_2789856

    AURA READING ON BIRDS? really? you can only see the birds MID FLIGHT, based on how far a survivor is, no time enough to react. besides you cant even see her idle crows.

    Freddy snares, is technically 1m away from kliller to assist location, trapper traps are good MID gaming(based if youre really good at location spots), DEMO, oh gawd, demo is the worst as it only gives him mobility, it does not even help him with gen pressure.

    "SHE IS A TRAP KILLER THAT CHANGES HER TRAPS INTO FLYING PROJECTILES", and thats exactly why she is deadly when played correctly. she is a killer designed to create a map presure, gen pressure, power to injure, while camping, is at best, which other killers dont have.

    So nerf her because...? I don't see the problem with her having a white Aura indicating where her birds are going to fly. The white Aura doesn't make birds easier to hit. You're complaining because you want to

  • @jeremycarinio said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2789323#Comment_2789323

    "flight paths dont track from the center" ? have you tried playing her? her dire crows are literally faces forward at the center of killer POV. how hard that can be.

    and back at you, how does it reduce the QoL? her aim assist is not even necessary to begin with. you have your POV at center, just like how a skilled huntress does it, is it?

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2789375#Comment_2789375

    uhmmm no more? she is already a killer with a lot of power to give information, and power to injure at a long distance. why would you still want to buff her?

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2789478#Comment_2789478

    i dont see removing her aim assist as nerfing her? a lot of killers does not even have this aim assist to correctly aim at survivors, thats pure skill. besides, the idle crows' silhouette should be enough for you how did you place your crows, and that takes 100% skill. unlike relying on that aim assist, you can even place it without consequences, as her crows recover fast.

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2789856#Comment_2789856

    AURA READING ON BIRDS? really? you can only see the birds MID FLIGHT, based on how far a survivor is, no time enough to react. besides you cant even see her idle crows.

    Freddy snares, is technically 1m away from kliller to assist location, trapper traps are good MID gaming(based if youre really good at location spots), DEMO, oh gawd, demo is the worst as it only gives him mobility, it does not even help him with gen pressure.

    "SHE IS A TRAP KILLER THAT CHANGES HER TRAPS INTO FLYING PROJECTILES", and thats exactly why she is deadly when played correctly. she is a killer designed to create a map presure, gen pressure, power to injure, while camping, is at best, which other killers dont have.

    Because she's weak and she can't do anything against decent survivors, that's why.

  • @jeremycarinio said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2789323#Comment_2789323

    "flight paths dont track from the center" ? have you tried playing her? her dire crows are literally faces forward at the center of killer POV. how hard that can be.

    and back at you, how does it reduce the QoL? her aim assist is not even necessary to begin with. you have your POV at center, just like how a skilled huntress does it, is it?

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2789375#Comment_2789375

    uhmmm no more? she is already a killer with a lot of power to give information, and power to injure at a long distance. why would you still want to buff her?

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2789478#Comment_2789478

    i dont see removing her aim assist as nerfing her? a lot of killers does not even have this aim assist to correctly aim at survivors, thats pure skill. besides, the idle crows' silhouette should be enough for you how did you place your crows, and that takes 100% skill. unlike relying on that aim assist, you can even place it without consequences, as her crows recover fast.

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2789856#Comment_2789856

    AURA READING ON BIRDS? really? you can only see the birds MID FLIGHT, based on how far a survivor is, no time enough to react. besides you cant even see her idle crows.

    Freddy snares, is technically 1m away from kliller to assist location, trapper traps are good MID gaming(based if youre really good at location spots), DEMO, oh gawd, demo is the worst as it only gives him mobility, it does not even help him with gen pressure.

    "SHE IS A TRAP KILLER THAT CHANGES HER TRAPS INTO FLYING PROJECTILES", and thats exactly why she is deadly when played correctly. she is a killer designed to create a map presure, gen pressure, power to injure, while camping, is at best, which other killers dont have.

    It makes birds much easier to dodge because it shows where bird direction is flying to. I would say it is little bit problematic as killer powers should not be reactionary and should be more on guessing and anticipation.

    all traps have aura-reading for their placements. I am not sure why she should be an exception. You have compared to killers powers that are not related to her power. I compared to trap vs trap and projectile vs projectile. you compared it apples to oranges.

  • why are yall going through m2 aura reading? no one, and i am not

    @ThatOneDemoPlayer said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2791325#Comment_2791325

    So nerf her because...? I don't see the problem with her having a white Aura indicating where her birds are going to fly. The white Aura doesn't make birds easier to hit. You're complaining because you want to

    who says removing her aura reading of her idle crows? in what part did i say that? at least back read before spewting nonsense.

    @Laluzi said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2791325#Comment_2791325

    Yeah, I play Artist. And if you only fire birds right after you place them, you're not doing a great job of playing her. Not saying you'll never do that, it's fairly common, but that's only half her kit. The other times, you're setting up birds facing different ways at loops, or creating a spread that you'll chase a survivor into after you follow them around a structure. The visible flight path assists that because their trajectory no longer matches where your PoV is facing. You've shifted position. You can extrapolate from the exact direction the bird is facing, but depending on where you are, the bird may no longer even be on your screen. Hence, flight paths.

    In the cases where you're placing a bird straight ahead because you think the survivor's about to drop a pallet, and then you're firing as fast as you can click - yeah, you don't need the aim box. But I don't think that's what it's for.

    This is just a really weird point for you to harp on, especially when the Artist isn't an especially strong killer in the first place. She's good, but not "nerf this immediately!" good, and you're not even suggesting a practical nerf to her capabilities, just one that makes her harder for new players to pick up. Which I could understand if she was something like Nurse-tier, but she's not.

    meaning you rely on her trajectory assist? thats the problem im pointing out. that design of her power is a god design that makes her easier, and OP. You do not rely on remembering how you placed your power. that design helps killers to give a exact direction, having 10-0% error. i dont really see that as a nerf.

  • @jeremycarinio said:

    why are yall going through m2 aura reading? no one, and i am not

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2791451#Comment_2791451

    who says removing her aura reading of her idle crows? in what part did i say that? at least back read before spewting nonsense.

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2791380#Comment_2791380

    meaning you rely on her trajectory assist? thats the problem im pointing out. that design of her power is a god design that makes her easier, and OP. You do not rely on remembering how you placed your power. that design helps killers to give a exact direction, having 10-0% error. i dont really see that as a nerf.

    You could start reading correctly before telling me I'm spewing nonsense

    I don't see the problem with her having a white Aura indicating where her birds are going to fly.

    Where does it say anything about the idle Aura

  • She’s in need of buffs. She is not that strong at all. Wish people would play these killers before calling for nerfs on seemingly things they do not understand.

  • @jeremycarinio said:

    besides, im not actually nerfing her power. i want it to tone down. her aim assistance gives her a good advantage of aiming CORRECTLY. at least give her a benefit of the doubt to use SKILLS TO AIM.

    "I'm not actually nerfing her power"

    Change your thread title, then.

  • Aiming correctly is nothing when it's a trap anyway, it has to be correct.

  • People using monitors with crosshairs, software with crosshairs, or just putting a piece off tape on their monitor:


    Sure why not

  • @SkeletalElite said:

    People using monitors with crosshairs, software with crosshairs, or just putting a piece off tape on their monitor:

    Sure why not

    then tell it to CoconutRTS why could he hatchet you accurately without trajectory assist.