No point in spending money
When I first started I had a reason to spend money on this game, but as time went on it became clear that BHVR goes out of their way to make this game a miserable experience, and no one should be wasting their money on this game.
I'll give you an example, as a killer it sucks when you get gen rushed, but at least you know what you're playing against. However as a survivor, if a killer decides to tunnel you for 3 hooks straight you're dead, there is no "oh you can get away because you have a DS" you're dead. No half way decent killer will let you escape even with DS. And sure the other 3 people MIGHT get out, but you're still gonna have a horrible time in the process.
Now does BHVR know about this? Of course they do, every single survivor in the game has told them this repeatedly. And what is their solution? They don't care, in fact from what I've seen they actively encourage toxic playing. They keep making killers who play more toxic than the last killer they made and I'll give you a demonstration of this. Let's look at the last killer they made nemesis, his STARTING perk is to know exactly where you are on the map, and I know that doesn't seem like much but think this through, he has 9 seconds to get to exactly who he wants to, down them, hook them, and then tunnel them to death.
And this is my point, it's not the killers fault for playing the way they do, it's not the survivors fault for hating it, it's BHVRs fault for leaving them virtually no other options.
I play as a killer too and I don't tunnel, or camp or slug, but I'm also a very low tier killer, and still it's pretty hard to get a 4k without playing toxic, at red ranks I imagine it's impossible. So until they fix the mechanics in this game to reflect some semblance of none toxic play, it's not even worth spending money on.
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I see one person who's aware of what "freedom of speech" actually means, and another who wants to spend money on a game they like. Which one is toxic?
sorry...
make that 3 comments, i see the usual crew is in attack mode...love it, helps to keep this ttread up
What if their fun is in being toxic toward you?
EDIT: To be clear, my point is that "fun" is subjective, and saying you want "everyone [to] have fun" is like saying you want a perfect utopia. Everyone's definition of "fun" is different. Some get their jollies by being #########, others by being hyper-competitive, others by playing casually with their friends. What you want, in practice, is your definition of "fun" to be enforced on everyone.
just before the mods decide to close and remove comments again....you know freedom of speech...
The third comment above your previous one is also your own. You may want to rephrase that.
Please keep the discussion civil and on topic, thank you.
Please show me what gives you the right to freedom of speech on a privately held internet forum... I'll wait.
thats the differnce between you and me....( and lots of other as seen in the last year and a half) i dont follow orders, i dont need someone to tell me what i can or can't say, do or dont.....need i go on? that a company like bhvr or a forum then feels it has to make me pay for breaking THERE rules by banning me or editing my comments....fine with me...you want more explanation or did i make myself clear enough?
No you didn't make yourself clear. You stated you have freedom of speech on these forums - which you do not - you never have and you explicitly agreed to the rules when you signed up to post on these forums. This is evidenced by the fact that any comment can be edited/deleted and that is well within their (BHVR) right as a private entity. You have failed to show where you have any freedom to speech here - but have shown willful ignorance to the concept of what it truly means.
You are absolutely right you CAN break the rules, but there CAN be repercussions for such actions because you have no inalienable right to freedom of speech here. If you had such freedom then your comments could not be edited/deleted etc. It is a very simple concept that is rooted in basic American history.
To the OP: I purchase what I want - when I want - I am a completist when it comes to DLCs, but as far as cosmetics - just depends if I play the killer/survivor and if I like/want that cosmetic.
here we go again....maybe you should learn aout consent in law..forced consent isn't consent. ccontract excist out of 2 party's agree on something, bhvr's game and this forum, forces a person to agree after they bought the product, or else they cant use it.
but lets agree on 1 thing here...you're a great spokesman for bhvr ( behaviour) funny name he wink wink....
and by the way...thiis has more to do with the game then this forum....but this forum is a discussion forum right? people tent to have differnent opinions and as long we dont start name calling, there should not be a reason to remove/edit comments....from what i'm seeing in this tread, your comment is the first with an undertone...so dont feel sad or mad when people react ( like me)
its just a discussion
i'm not going to continue in this discussion, OP made his point and its a valid point. Look at the amount of treads on subjects regarding toxicity....its just sad that this game witch normaly played is adictive as hell ( for me it WAS) is ruined by toxic games that made a leap in the last couple of days. the fact is that people dump this game and indeed will not spend there money on it anymore....i understand you cant keep everybody happy, but this is just getting out of control and its just sad, cause loads of fun gamers want to play a fun game....win or lose, and thats just not the case. Besides that, when they make there thoughts known on forums like this one, they always get attacked....and thats even more sad.
i said my piece and wish you all, all the best.
When I purchased the game on Steam, it quite explicitly said, in the store page, that it "Requires agreement to a 3rd-party EULA", with a link to said EULA. Why didn't you read it before buying?
As for the forum, you can read the rules before signing up. Again, why didn't you?
How many years are you willing to try?
You obviously don't understand the product you bought into either. The point of the game is to get as many BPs as you can, not down all 4 survivors as fast as you can or get all 5 gens done as fast as you can. It's players like you that make this game a joke cause y'all think camping and tunneling is necessary, or gen rushing. let survivors gen rush, they will depip EVERY time, let a killer camp or tunnel and they will depip more often than not. If players in general didn't make up their own rules this game wouldn't be so horrible but killers and survivors players alike forgot what the point of the game is. This game will NEVER be competitive and the only "tourneys" change the rules of the game drastically.
Quit saying the game was designed for camping and tunneling, maybe when trapper was the only killer, but ever since the game is very playable without the above fake strategies. Perks help killers just as much as the survivors. A lot of killers use BBQ which isn't useful on 90% of the killers. Playing for a 3 gen and don't worry about the other 4 gens will work almost every game and no need for camping or tunneling. The lack of knowledge in these forums is insane.
The point of the game is to get as many BPs as you can, not down all 4 survivors as fast as you can or get all 5 gens done as fast as you can. It's players like you that make this game a joke cause y'all think camping and tunneling is necessary, or gen rushing.
If players in general didn't make up their own rules this game wouldn't be so horrible but killers and survivors players alike forgot what the point of the game is.
Do you see the contradiction here?
Actually, you really should be the one learning law. Forced consent is still consent in terms of contracts, ie "Sign this waver removing liability from us or else you cannot use our product".
Forced consent as in holding someone at gunpoint until something is signed, however, is where it becomes different. Were you threatened into buying and playing this game?
What contradiction? The point of the game is to get BPs, there are no rewards for gen rushing, slugging, camping, or tunneling they all lead to minimum BPs and depipping.
You're right about one thing, the lack of knowledge by you is insane. The devs themselves said it was designed that way, so go preach somewhere else.
Oh I'm not dedicating any specific time to it, it's just a pop in and do occasionally type of deal.
Freedom of speech is a principle, just because it also happens to be a constitutional law in the US doesn't make it any less of a principle, maybe learn how to read a sentence and not jump to conclusions before you open you mouth. Embarrassing that someone who claims to know law can't understand basic grammar.
Show me where they said it. I've seen every stream by BHVR and NEVER have they said that was how game was intended. Quit believing your own BS LMAO
Here is a video of the community manager and game director reading off a list of things that are not bannable. Which by default makes it AS INTENDED, and take special note of the fact that they snark and laugh at the fact that people are reporting things like tunneling, camping, slugging. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRFGT9JZZZo&t=79s
Unbannable does NOT mean intended. Lmao May wanna rewatch and reread bannable offenses. If you prevent a player from playing the game deliberately then it is bannable. If you facecamp, that's bannable unless it's an end game necessity, tunneling is bannable if you're taking out a person at 5 gens undone but is allowed near endgame. Watch the RE stream kid, they even say autobanning, with vid proof, will be used to even more thoroughly get rid of these traits. And they use the words unnecessary camping and tunneling exactly. And yes, they ARE banning campers and tunnelers and sluggers with video evidence. I've seen it in action several times since RE came out. A cocky camper says they can't be banned and then within an hour after I turn in the video proof, many have showed me their 30 day+ bans for exactly what I reported.
I'd like to see those videos, because I have yet to see anyone banned for tunneling, camping or slugging. You may wanna rewatch it, because slugging, camping, and tunneling is NOT preventing a player from playing as intended, which is the entire point I'm trying to convey to you. They INTENDED the game to be this type of toxic.
Nice try. It is common rhetoric to throw out the whole "Free Speech" claim wherever people don't like certain rules whether that be at their job, a school, and yes even an online forum. It's a cheap attempt at playing the victim and getting others to rally behind you because your "rights" have been infringed. The person my comment was intended for wasn't implying the principle of free speech - they literally were inferring that this new era of liberalism has taken away their right to freedom of speech. This is such a common rhetoric in the online community to incite divisiveness and pity for the "injured"/silenced party. It used to work - now it is just seen as yet another failed mechanic in manipulative behavior.
You're right...I do know law - basic law that is taught in middle school. I also know psychology and easily identifiable victim mentality.
That person was me, and you clearly don't know that you lost this argument when you assumed incorrectly, now you can claim anything you want but the fact of the matter is all you're doing now is backpedaling in a feeble attempt to hide the fact that you were wrong. Your tactics speak to lack of maturity, and I've seen it a thousand times from people who can't admit that they were in the wrong.
I get it like but if I'm enjoying the game then I'm gonna spend money on it.
I understand why people wouldn't want to though, either way people are entitled to do as they please.
You're right, this is not a mandate, just an opinion. Everyone is welcome to their own decision.