People Talk About Coxcombed Clapper + "All Seeing" - Blood, But...

...no one talks about the 2 "All Seeings".

Been playing that today and #########'s kinda nuts, you'll always know where you are needed the most and you'll mostly know where they are.

Don't need any detection Perk at all and putting on Pop Goes The Weasel is practically a given.

And if you didn't need a detection Perk before, now it'll feel more like a waste to put one on.


IDK if i only ever face noobs 24/7 366 days a year, but i have never felt all that strong when using CC, stealth hits are successful often enough on my end.

Best CC has done for me was grab potentials.

It's still a fun Add-on, always a funny time with "The Ghost" - Soot.


Now i do think "All Seeing" - Blood is stronger than "All Seeing" - Spirit, but this combination is something else.

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  • Wraith addons relic of the past, really need to be toned down to 2021 standards.

    Its like Huntress throwing houses, while Deathslinger has a needle to hit.

  • All Seeing Spirit is pretty insane if you think about it.

    It's basically a much better Tinkerer

  • @Boss said:

    ...no one talks about the 2 "All Seeings".

    Been playing that today and #########'s kinda nuts, you'll always know where you are needed the most and you'll mostly know where they are.

    Don't need any detection Perk at all and putting on Pop Goes The Weasel is practically a given.

    And if you didn't need a detection Perk before, now it'll feel more like a waste to put one on.

    IDK if i only ever face noobs 24/7 366 days a year, but i have never felt all that strong when using CC, stealth hits are successful often enough on my end.

    Best CC has done for me was grab potentials.

    It's still a fun Add-on, always a funny time with "The Ghost" - Soot.

    Now i do think "All Seeing" - Blood is stronger than "All Seeing" - Spirit, but this combination is something else.

    For some reason I thought you meant Crowd Control with CC. And I was like: "How do you get grabs with Crowd Control?

    Yes, I am a dummy dum.

    Tbh, double All Seeing sounds like a lot of fun, for the Killer at least. And I think that CC is overrated.

  • @[Deleted User] said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2374643#Comment_2374643

    Or give Survivors a method to de-cloak the Wraith that's Independent of a Flashlight/Firecracker.

    But he could get the Myers treatment where the All Seeing Addons reduce cloaked Movespeed.

    Just that Myers loses his base movement speed. Reducing a bit of cloak speed does almost nothing, unless it's an significant amount.

  • @[Deleted User] said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2374643#Comment_2374643

    Or give Survivors a method to de-cloak the Wraith that's Independent of a Flashlight/Firecracker.

    But he could get the Myers treatment where the All Seeing Addons reduce cloaked Movespeed.

    There already is a method. If a cloaked wraith messes up and stands too close to a pallet he gets stunned for much longer than a normal pallet stun. And is forced to uncloak.

  • @[Deleted User] said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2374692#Comment_2374692

    Just an initial suggestion:

    Spirit becomes Purple but also adds the negative that his TR is no longer suppressed. (Windstorm becomes an Iri)

    Blood incurs a -35% movespeed penalty (115% movespeed while cloaked), trades speed for tracking.

    That would make both addons basically worthless. Spirit is mostly fine blood is the only one that needs tweaking. Personally I would add somewhere between a 10-15 second cloaked requirement time to the blood to prevent you from being able to use it multiple times to end a chase in 30 seconds.

    And I would also swap the rarity.

  • yeah pretty much

  • I think unless you have a flashlight the game requiring you to just outplay him when he comes out of cloak is still pretty reasonable.

  • @[Deleted User] said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2374726#Comment_2374726

    And I think it being tied to a Flashlight specifically is poor game design given the vast cast of Killers.

    I'd much prefer to see him be de-cloaked as if he was Ghostface, albeit without the added stun.

    If Wraith wants to play hit-n-run, at the very least break LoS, but if they want to play lunge-monkey, make sure your angle of approach is good instead of literally just bulldozing through everything.

    I don’t think ghostface is the most fair comparisons it’s not really the fact that ghost face is undetectable that makes getting him out of his shroud urgent. It’s the fact that he can instadown you if you don’t notice him for a few seconds. Wraith doesn’t really have that same level of threat.

  • @[Deleted User] said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2374692#Comment_2374692

    Just an initial suggestion:

    Spirit becomes Purple but also adds the negative that his TR is no longer suppressed. (Windstorm becomes an Iri)

    Blood incurs a -35% movespeed penalty (115% movespeed while cloaked), trades speed for tracking.

    Spirit might need a slight nerf but not that way. I think pink All Seeing is quite fine.

    Purple All Seeing needs 2 things:

    1. Reduced range to 8 metres

    2. You only see the Aura while fully cloaked, as soon as you start uncloaking you don't see the Aura (current one allows for easy tracking and it removes any mindgames a Survivor can do while out of LoS.)

    I think your versions would gut the Add-ons, which shouldn't happen. At least he has good Addons. Look at PH, Freddy and GF for example.

  • @MrDardon said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2374707#Comment_2374707

    Spirit might need a slight nerf but not that way. I think pink All Seeing is quite fine.

    Purple All Seeing needs 2 things:

    1. Reduced range to 8 metres

    2. You only see the Aura while fully cloaked, as soon as you start uncloaking you don't see the Aura (current one allows for easy tracking and it removes any mindgames a Survivor can do while out of LoS.)

    I think your versions would gut the Add-ons, which shouldn't happen. At least he has good Addons. Look at PH, Freddy and GF for example.

    I don't mind those changes.

    1 is still more than enough for loops.

    2 adds to the mindgaming, which is just 1 of many reasons why i LUUUUUV his super-lunge.

  • at least All Seeings means Wraith doesn't have disappearance/reappearance addons.

  • @[Deleted User] said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2374917#Comment_2374917

    At the moment, Wraith has mobility, lethality (as his mobility is not greatly impacted after uncloak given his lunge), and an element of surprise. The addition of cross-map info and negation of stealth+Info against Survivors should incur penalties to basekit performance if applied to any significant degree. Especially if the basekit is relatively balanced as is.

    Are my suggestions a bit too harsh? Perhaps. But at the moment, Wraith can have it all with addons that only flat buff lacking areas.

    Yeah but gutting them isn't a solution either. Tone them down a bit and keep the effect as is would be good.

    8 metre Aura reading which goes away as you start uncloaking and only works while fully cloaked. Maye add another thing but I don't think it's needed.

    And like I said, pink All Seeing is fine in my opinion.

  • Almost all his add-ons are good. Everybody talks about CC+all seeing because they're meta, but he has many nuts combos, as you found out.

  • Personally I think they're fine as is.

  • @Bwsted said:

    Almost all his add-ons are good. Everybody talks about CC+all seeing because they're meta, but he has many nuts combos, as you found out.

    I regularly play him with the Add-ons i have the most of, doesn't matter which they are, even "The Beast" - Soot.

    I had this trend ever since i switched from Hillbilly to Wraith, and that was years ago, so i was doing this before his buffs as well.

    And i did fairly well anyway.

    I do the Add-on thing for no gameplay reason, it was always just to keep my inventory on the more rare Add-ons stacked.

    Only for specific reasons would i pull out these big guns, like wanting to do a anti-Pallet build.

    Well i had a challenge on from the Archives to get Emblems for keeping Generator progression down, so i slapped on those 2 Add-ons and a few slowdown Perks.

    I had to earn 5 of those Emblems and since you can only earn 1 per match, i was at least required to do this 5 times.

    Managed to complete it in 6 times, but i of course noticed from those 6 that this was pretty good, so i tested it some more.

    After quite a few more matches with this, i just had to make this discussion.

  • @Boss said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2375003#Comment_2375003

    I regularly play him with the Add-ons i have the most of, doesn't matter which they are, even "The Beast" - Soot.

    I had this trend ever since i switched from Hillbilly to Wraith, and that was years ago, so i was doing this before his buffs as well.

    And i did fairly well anyway.

    I do the Add-on thing for no gameplay reason, it was always just to keep my inventory on the more rare Add-ons stacked.

    Only for specific reasons would i pull out these big guns, like wanting to do a anti-Pallet build.

    Well i had a challenge on from the Archives to get Emblems for keeping Generator progression down, so i slapped on those 2 Add-ons and a few slowdown Perks.

    I had to earn 5 of those Emblems and since you can only earn 1 per match, i was at least required to do this 5 times.

    Managed to complete it in 6 times, but i of course noticed from those 6 that this was pretty good, so i tested it some more.

    After quite a few more matches with this, i just had to make this discussion.

    Using the beast soot is funny because it can actually mindfuck people sometimes because you still have a terror radius

  • @humanbeing1704 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2375023#Comment_2375023

    Using the beast soot is funny because it can actually mindfuck people sometimes because you still have a terror radius

    Been called a cheater a few times because of "The Beast" - Soot + "The Ghost" - Soot.

    Maybe add Dark Devotion for more mindfuckery.

  • I think his add ons are fine as is and more killers should have good Iris and purples that arent just straight up garbage. Wraith has some of the best add ons because they are all almost useful. This should be the regular for all killers. Too many have trash add ons. Let's have a talk about what we could do to make add ons better for everyone. Some of the suggestions in here would completely make the add ons useless. Add ons with downsides are usually bad and forgotten. The thing is if you give killers more good add ons you will see more variety. And at the end of the day thats what we all want to see.